Barbosa and Leal Devices - Info and Replication Details

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Hello meetglass'

It appears as there is no ground because that is a euro country and they do not use a neutral and ground system per say as we in the US do.

The Captor arrangement shown is simply one of B&L's larger SINGLE toroid Captors that they used. I have built a couple of those units and briefly powered them up but never implemented them because my two toroid system seemed a lot easier going the ground rod route.

I can tell right off that he has a valid Captor build because of the IDLE amperage reading he showed. in effect he was SPOT ON!. the larger single toroid units at idle will generally show around 100 to 127 amps due to the fact of the single toroid setup. the single setup ALWAYS requires a HELL of a lot larger AWG size and that is another point in the video that validates his set up. looks like about a #1 ought wire size which is what I used on my second similar build. he only used three winds but B&L always used four.

Took me about an hour of frame viewing - frame by frame until I could pick out the rest of his schematic but I finnally got it! I also noted he threw a couple of none used items in the box to try to confuse viewers! the little Bugger!

Also this was a MAINS USE DEMO so you know the loonies will be crawling out by the bunches - just watch!

all in all it was a nice video you caught! glad you posted it!

Thanks!

best wishes and Respects,

Clarence

What Clarence is saying here is not correct. The single toroid Barbosa and Leal device does require an earth ground. Anyone can look in Barbosa and Leal's patent docs to see this for themself.

[djarno]

Just had an phone call.

220-230V toroids with full winding and secondary, despite the fact I need to remove the secondary, with 300 VA @ 60 HZ is actually cheaper and less delay due no manual winding.

Just fyi to those who are interested.

Getting 2x 220V toroids primary (360) with secondary for 30 euro excl tax (thus 1.21) tommorow.

@clarence, whats about the RMS value exactly ?

[djarno]

It is plausible though that he putted power on the ground (though unlikely)

I'm in Europe as well. I have the copper rods (pipes) but didn't put them in the ground yet.

Using an European ground is also workable then ?

And two toroids is better then 1 (amplifying) ?

What toroids you suggest and wire size to pull 180 amps ? (max load back to meter here 60 amp per phase)

Ah well can't wait for my toroids to arrive.

Just had an phone call.

220-230V toroids with full winding and secondary, despite the fact I need to remove the secondary, with 300 VA @ 60 HZ is actually cheaper and less delay due no manual winding.

Just fyi to those who are interested.

[djarno]

Hello meetglass'

It appears as there is no ground because that is a euro country and they do not use a neutral and ground system per say as we in the US do.

The Captor arrangement shown is simply one of B&L's larger SINGLE toroid Captors that they used. I have built a couple of those units and briefly powered them up but never implemented them because my two toroid system seemed a lot easier going the ground rod route.

I can tell right off that he has a valid Captor build because of the IDLE amperage reading he showed. in effect he was SPOT ON!. the larger single toroid units at idle will generally show around 100 to 127 amps due to the fact of the single toroid setup. the single setup ALWAYS requires a HELL of a lot larger AWG size and that is another point in the video that validates his set up. looks like about a #1 ought wire size which is what I used on my second similar build. he only used three winds but B&L always used four.

Took me about an hour of frame viewing - frame by frame until I could pick out the rest of his schematic but I finnally got it! I also noted he threw a couple of none used items in the box to try to confuse viewers! the little Bugger!

Also this was a MAINS USE DEMO so you know the loonies will be crawling out by the bunches - just watch!

all in all it was a nice video you caught! glad you posted it!

Thanks!

best wishes and Respects,

Clarence

It is plausible though that he putted power on the ground (though unlikely)

I'm in Europe as well. I have the copper rods (pipes) but didn't put them in the ground yet.

Using an European ground is also workable then ?

And two toroids is better then 1 (amplifying) ?

What toroids you suggest and wire size to pull 180 amps ? (max load back to meter here 60 amp per phase)

Ah well can't wait for my toroids to arrive.

[Groundloop]

the plug and outlet have ground connection
either he replaced his rcd cb to an ordinary one as he has done in his previous video
the primary L and N of the toroid is being measured
the secondary L same phase connected and ground instead of Neutral is not measured by the input power meter as there is no return path

the output of secondary measures higher wattage

so without captor ( L + E) L N measures higher wattage due to close loop with load

With captor ( L + E) No Neutral the input is measuring only the toroid

Live and ground will still run the vacuum with out the captor


Live and ground is still illegal in our country and with permanent disconnection/ penalty even jail time is the punishment

so Clarence design is the best option if we are to replicate

my opinion only happy experimenting

Totoalas,

I agree with you, it is much safer to use Clarence design than messing with the mains. Here in Norway we have two live wires and local ground. Between the house ground and Earth ground there is a ground fault relay that will cut the mains if there is any current going from the live wires to ground. So if I try to connect a circuit as shown in the video where the load is in series with one of the live wires and then to ground, then the ground fault rely will trip and cut the mains.

GL.

[totoalas]

Hello meetglass'

It appears as there is no ground because that is a euro country and they do not use a neutral and ground system per say as we in the US do.

The Captor arrangement shown is simply one of B&L's larger SINGLE toroid Captors that they used. I have built a couple of those units and briefly powered them up but never implemented them because my two toroid system seemed a lot easier going the ground rod route.

I can tell right off that he has a valid Captor build because of the IDLE amperage reading he showed. in effect he was SPOT ON!. the larger single toroid units at idle will generally show around 100 to 127 amps due to the fact of the single toroid setup. the single setup ALWAYS requires a HELL of a lot larger AWG size and that is another point in the video that validates his set up. looks like about a #1 ought wire size which is what I used on my second similar build. he only used three winds but B&L always used four.

Took me about an hour of frame viewing - frame by frame until I could pick out the rest of his schematic but I finnally got it! I also noted he threw a couple of none used items in the box to try to confuse viewers! the little Bugger!

Also this was a MAINS USE DEMO so you know the loonies will be crawling out by the bunches - just watch!

all in all it was a nice video you caught! glad you posted it!

Thanks!

best wishes and Respects,

Clarence

the plug and outlet have ground connection
either he replaced his rcd cb to an ordinary one as he has done in his previous video
the primary L and N of the toroid is being measured
the secondary L same phase connected and ground instead of Neutral is not measured by the input power meter as there is no return path

the output of secondary measures higher wattage

so without captor ( L + E) L N measures higher wattage due to close loop with load

With captor ( L + E) No Neutral the input is measuring only the toroid

Live and ground will still run the vacuum with out the captor


Live and ground is still illegal in our country and with permanent disconnection/ penalty even jail time is the punishment

so Clarence design is the best option if we are to replicate

my opinion only happy experimenting

[clarence]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK9yVl8xw-g
(Bez uziemienia?) No Ground?

Hello meetglass'

It appears as there is no ground because that is a euro country and they do not use a neutral and ground system per say as we in the US do.

The Captor arrangement shown is simply one of B&L's larger SINGLE toroid Captors that they used. I have built a couple of those units and briefly powered them up but never implemented them because my two toroid system seemed a lot easier going the ground rod route.

I can tell right off that he has a valid Captor build because of the IDLE amperage reading he showed. in effect he was SPOT ON!. the larger single toroid units at idle will generally show around 100 to 127 amps due to the fact of the single toroid setup. the single setup ALWAYS requires a HELL of a lot larger AWG size and that is another point in the video that validates his set up. looks like about a #1 ought wire size which is what I used on my second similar build. he only used three winds but B&L always used four.

Took me about an hour of frame viewing - frame by frame until I could pick out the rest of his schematic but I finnally got it! I also noted he threw a couple of none used items in the box to try to confuse viewers! the little Bugger!

Also this was a MAINS USE DEMO so you know the loonies will be crawling out by the bunches - just watch!

all in all it was a nice video you caught! glad you posted it!

Thanks!

best wishes and Respects,

Clarence

[meetglass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK9yVl8xw-g
(Bez uziemienia?) No Ground?

[wantomake]

good to hear

Clarence,
Thanks for the experimentation there. I'm still waiting for the two smaller toroids in the mail. Can use them elsewhere I'm sure.

I may order the same two you use in your setup later this summer.

Need to travel to west coast late july, my daughter lives in Tustin, California. So will save the finances for that.

Hey I noticed over on OU the videos of someone using ac motor cores in place of large toroids. I know these are not the same as toroids in performance. I have many smaller ac motors laying around. Or am I wasting my time?

Thanks for your patience with me,
wantomake

[clarence]

Thank you Sir,
As always anyone here is at their own risk at replicating this setup. Thanks for the "do at your own risk" there.

Yes I will listen and learn as this project goes on. I know there is so much more to good ole Earth power than we've found or understand.

Thanks,
wantomake

Hello CANGAS & wantomake,

I built and tried the inductor toroid model and it wont work as anticipated whether using an inline or parallel capacitor.
it just acts like it was made for and results in a short to the circuit.

Oh well - will look for another way to do a mini build!

Till then,

Best wishes & Respects,


Clarence

[clarence]

Clarence, I am having chronic trouble with my Internet, A O Hell. My lack of posts is beyond my control.

I am trying to keep up and encourage you.


regards
CANGAS

Hello GANGAS,

NO PROBLEM SIR!
catch it when you can. it will be there for you.

BEST,
Respects,

Clarence

[CANGAS]

Hello CANGAS & wantomake,

forgot to mention also that I have spare ceramic 250v 2.2 uf capacitors and I will use one series wise on the inverter phase leg to cover the short scenario prevention to the inverter.

best wishes in the busy labor department - as you said you turn around and
its already gaining on you - a continual been there done that!

till later.

Best, & Respects

Clarence

Clarence, I am having chronic trouble with my Internet, A O Hell. My lack of posts is beyond my control.

I am trying to keep up and encourage you.


regards
CANGAS

[clarence]

Clarence,

I stumbled onto an interesting series of documentaries the other day, one of which went into quite some detail to present a theory that the oldest pyramids around the world shared common features and types of locations, and that their purpose may have been to accumulate and utilize earth energy. They made a very convincing argument too. One feature the oldest pyramids share is being located on or near ley lines. Before watching that documentary I always dismissed ley lines as mystical hokum. Now I have to admit I'm not so sure about that.

Clarence, take a look at this http://www.geometryofplace.com/image...f/Namerica.pdf

Doesn't that ley line run right through your location?

Coincidence?

Hello MadMack,

As far as I can tell I should be stepping on it!
Still working away on many thing as usual.

Thanks ,

Respects

Clarence

[MadMack]

Clarence,

I stumbled onto an interesting series of documentaries the other day, one of which went into quite some detail to present a theory that the oldest pyramids around the world shared common features and types of locations, and that their purpose may have been to accumulate and utilize earth energy. They made a very convincing argument too. One feature the oldest pyramids share is being located on or near ley lines. Before watching that documentary I always dismissed ley lines as mystical hokum. Now I have to admit I'm not so sure about that.

Clarence, take a look at this http://www.geometryofplace.com/image...f/Namerica.pdf

Doesn't that ley line run right through your location?

Coincidence?

[wantomake]

Caution always

Hello CanGAS & wantomake,

I have obtained a couple more of larger wire size to deal with so I will be working on completing this mini unit towards the middle of next week.
I believe the two I have are about 1 3/4" or slightly larger. Maybe I can get more than two # 10 secodary turns - will try any way.

I will use my VARIAC as a buffer between an inverter and the build as a precaution and use a Kill-A-Watt meter also to monitor whats happening as I slowly bring up the voltage.
but let me do MINE first as I have two smaller inverters that I don't use and a couple of Batteries to go with them so why terrorize yours for a guick little proof test. then I can show you the build by photos and Info. by now I know how to wind the secondary winding in the correct direction easily to avoid any mishaps. could save you a little smoke and ashes and I surely don't mind. as always your choice.

as you know this is the season for busy busy busy everyday that's why I said could take me till next week to get'R- done.

wishing you the best always Sir.

Best, and Respects

Clarence

Thank you Sir,
As always anyone here is at their own risk at replicating this setup. Thanks for the "do at your own risk" there.

Yes I will listen and learn as this project goes on. I know there is so much more to good ole Earth power than we've found or understand.

Thanks,
wantomake