Barbosa and Leal Devices - Info and Replication Details

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My 'free energy' device's inner workings

Hello friends. I was tied up for the last few days so I couldn't post an update on my 'free energy' device until now. Yes, I was just kidding about the 'agents of suppression' stuff. The absurdity level was getting too high in this thread so I thought a little comic relief might be in order.

Even though I had already posted a few times in this thread that you shouldn't power a device from the mains that is configured like the Barbosa and Leal devices, if you live in a country where the mains neutral wire is earth grounded at the mains service panel (which probably many countries do), or if you have a SWER mains system, some people still seemed to be doing or considering that.

See below to see what was under my tupperware 'electron capture device' in my setup. Like many countries, in my country the mains neutral is earth grounded at the mains service panel, so the yellow input wire on my 'device' was just connected to the mains hot wire via an extension cord, and the other end of the light bulb was connected to my rusty two foot long earth ground rod. There were no tricks or hidden wires lighting the 100 Watt light bulb. It was just the mains hot wire going to one side of the light bulb, and then from the other side of the light bulb through to the rusty two foot long earth ground rod, and then the mains current returns back through the ground (a ground loop) to the grounded neutral at the service panel. That's it. Even a single rusty two foot long ground rod provided me with a good enough ground to power my 100 watt light bulb using a ground loop.

This demonstrates clearly why you should be only using a battery to power any potential free energy device you are experimenting with that requires an earth ground connection to provide free energy. If you are powering any part of your device from the mains and you have an earth ground connection on your device, you could well end up with ground loop issues back to the mains, which can be quite deceiving if you not aware of what is really happening.

There were some good comments made here about the importance of taking steps to try to fully understand where the energy is coming from before you can start to understand what is really going on in any potential free energy device. As the saying goes, having an open mind is good, but your mind shouldn't be so open that your brains fall out. IMO, if a person really wants to understand what is going on in any potential free energy setup, you have to be willing to put a lot of effort into careful and thorough testing and analyzing and measuring and thinking critically, i.e., to investigate fully, otherwise it is just way too easy to end up being lead down the garden path.

Happy Experimenting!

[RAMSET]

.Seeing is believing...

Mr.King
Few persons have "your" perspective...It is a completely
different story to see with your own eyes something running
a BIG Load on nothing... until the cows come home..

As we know there is nothing that will deter you from this pursuit
having seen what you did.

[a.king21]

Farmhand

Farmhand: You seem to be the kind of bloke who relies on proof.
You obviously don't make suppositions.

Where is your proof that the Kapanadze device is not "free energy" from the ambient background?
Or have you made a supposition and broken your own rule?

Definition of supposition: an idea or theory that you believe is true even though you do not have proof.

[citfta]

Hi Kenssurplus,

I apologize if you thought that comment was directed at you. You had already cleared up what you meant by that. I was actually thinking of a bunch of posts that went on and on about the magic of mag-amps. This was about a year ago or maybe a little longer. There were several people on here that thought because you could use a tiny current to control a large current there was some kind of possibility of OU. They just didn't understand you still had to supply the large current.

I agree with you one of the most difficult things to do on a forum like this is to communicate effectively. I have tried to always direct my comments to the technical aspects of whatever project is being discussed. However as you have seen that is a lot of the time not appreciated.

I certainly realize that none of us was born with whatever abilities we may have gotten over the years. We may have been given certain talents by our creator but we have to study and develop those talents. I have spent many hours on this and other forums trying to help those that actually want to learn. But I have no patience for those that want to live in a fantasy world and keep insisting you don't need to learn to make some great discovery.

Congratulations on your rotoverter test results. The fact you recognized the importance of your measurements testifies to your study and learning. There are several people on this forum that refuse to learn and study so to them everything seems magical and they would probably miss something that really was special.

Respectfully,
Carroll

[kenssurplus]

Terminology or terminal-ogy?

Hi Farmhand,

I agree with your thoughts. A little education and some common sense can go a long way in helping to identify the real from the false. I left this forum over a year ago because I got so tired of beating my head against the wall trying to help people that insisted on believing foolishness. I will still try to help but I won't waste any time on those that don't want help.

A part of the problem is they won't take the time to learn what the real terminology means in the electronic or electrical field. They hear words and decide for themselves those words mean something magical. Like Magnetic Amplifier or self-exciting generator. I worked on magnetic amplifiers big enough to run my house and my neighbors house off of them and there was no magic involved. Just the simple concept of a saturated core of a transformer.

And another problem is since they are not really familiar with motors or generators or anything electrical they don't know what is normal and what is not. The battery thing you just showed is a fine example of that. Yet when you try to point out something like that you are accused of being over educated so you can't see the "real" picture.

I still believe it is possible to see OU because I have twice seen what I considered were cases of OU. I am still doing research and testing but only after I have something that works will I be willing to share. And then it may not be with everyone.

Take care,
Carroll

Carroll, I feel I must reply in clarification, since I was the one who mentioned the Magnetic Amplifier. I fully admit I do not know all things concerning electronics / things electrical. However, it is highly doubtful that anyone does. Now I have been involved in the alternative energy research and experimentation for many years. There are things I have built and used on my own home (started with solar, wind, hydro, etc. moved into rotoverters, MOT and magnetic amplifier power transmission, R-E amp, pole pigs, Don smith, B.S. generator, and ground excitation ) because I didn't have enough power input into my batteries to cover everything that I wanted to power. Some of those things showed great promise, and some not so much.

When I was talking about swapping the pure sine wave inverter out with a cheaper square wave model, I mentioned the Magnetic Amplifier
in error, because I had used 3- 4 of them in some power transmission experiments, as well as the ferroresonant transformer (Hector P. Torres' R-E AMP). The ferroresonant transformer can indeed change a square wave into a sine wave, which is the basis for the comment on swapping out a pure sine wave inverter with adding ferroresonant transformer setup along with a square wave inverter.

You suggest that perhaps those of us who have commented on this thread, and elsewhere, don't have experience with generators, or motors. Some of my most successful rotoverter experiments, were done using an Westinghouse industrial TA power analyzer, indicating near zero (if not zero) amps drawn from both generator and inverter powered motor / generator combinations from fractional H.P. to 30 H.P. Sure, running a 1 H.P. 3 pahse motor off of a 350 watt inverter hooked to one car battery showing 0 amps DC drawn on a analogue ammeter through the inverter, is probably something most would not expect to see and might be considered magic, certainly not normal.

I try to not flash-judge peoples' intelligence, education, or possibility of contribution, until they have pretty well answered all of the above, with their own words.

In terms of OU or even the B&L devices discused here, did any of our posts make the understandig clearer, or did we just serve to confuse and obfuscate even more? What can we as a diverse group of people from all walks of life and countries, do to communicate effectively? Can we even agree on what goal or end the communications should point to? No, It seems we are left each to his own bubble of perception, experience, language, motivations, and ego.

[boguslaw]

The problem is easy to spot : for OU in low frequency we need lots of iron and lots of copper winding = costly to experiment with
for OU in high frequency we need a realiable switching device able to switch both high or quite high voltage and lots of amps plus a tricky way to store it in large capacitor or to modulate it to work on our appliances
for OU in small factor device we need a very lucky accident to spot the correct way
The only thing I don't understand is ...why with all that millions of $ put into a scientific works all around the world they still didn't find OU in lab ?

[citfta]

Hi Farmhand,

I agree with your thoughts. A little education and some common sense can go a long way in helping to identify the real from the false. I left this forum over a year ago because I got so tired of beating my head against the wall trying to help people that insisted on believing foolishness. I will still try to help but I won't waste any time on those that don't want help.

A part of the problem is they won't take the time to learn what the real terminology means in the electronic or electrical field. They hear words and decide for themselves those words mean something magical. Like Magnetic Amplifier or self-exciting generator. I worked on magnetic amplifiers big enough to run my house and my neighbors house off of them and there was no magic involved. Just the simple concept of a saturated core of a transformer.

And another problem is since they are not really familiar with motors or generators or anything electrical they don't know what is normal and what is not. The battery thing you just showed is a fine example of that. Yet when you try to point out something like that you are accused of being over educated so you can't see the "real" picture.

I still believe it is possible to see OU because I have twice seen what I considered were cases of OU. I am still doing research and testing but only after I have something that works will I be willing to share. And then it may not be with everyone.

Take care,
Carroll

[Farmhand]

Yes Carrol, my batteries are not cold to begin with they are already at some
30 or more degrees centigrade. I think as well as the temperature thing there
is the lag of the chemical reaction as well at any temperature. The initial
loading draws power faster than the chemical processes can produce it, then
after some time the chemical processes catch up to the load and the battery
tries to find it equilibrium.

I would not be surprised if I could heat up a battery in the sun to over 40
degrees then bring it inside to the cool and still see the effect as the battery
is cooling off.

But as you quite rightly stated warming the battery can increase it's ability
to output power. When a car battery is almost drained sometimes trying to
turn it over a few times then waiting and trying again can cause the battery
to give up more energy and turn the motor to start it.

Basically all I did was watch the battery voltage and as it dropped to it's
minimum value as expected I attached the box (which was just the ends of
the clip leads hanging inside in free air). Then the voltage climbed as
expected. A ruse.

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Almost any effect seen on these forums can be reproduced by trickery, including the main ones, Tariel and Don Smith ect.

Reproducing B&L's, Tariel's or Don's effects by trickery requires money or at least
more resources than I am prepared to expend to show it. B&L's and Tariel's setups are
also quite dangerous.

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I don't touch 240 volt setups (grid voltage) without a GFI/RCD device in place.
It's just not worth the danger. B&L's setup precludes the use of a an RCD
because with one in place it simply will not work.

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[citfta]

Hi shylo,

Farmhand may have a better explanation for what he is doing but what he is showing is a common effect with lead acid batteries. When you first start using the battery the load will as expected cause the voltage to drop. However the chemical reaction as you posted causes the battery to warm up. This warm up allows the chemical reaction to be more efficient and therefore you see a temporary rise in battery voltage. Battery voltage is a fair indicator of the battery charge but doesn't really tell the whole story. A battery can be badly sulphated and still show normal voltage until put under a load.

I have heard of a trick some of the people in the far north do in the winter is to first turn on the headlights for 30 seconds or so to help get the reaction going. Then when they turn off the headlights and crank the engine the battery is able to deliver the power needed to start the engine.

Carroll

[shylo]

So Farmhand, your saying the chemical reaction is producing more than the load is drawing off?
artv

[BroMikey]

Heres another way to charge battery ala CAPTOR AN akula IDEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD9AovHxJss
ENJOY

Hey totalas

Nice grounding setup here is another. It is too bad that we all can't work together believing Tesla. I am a young at heart experimenter who is full of zeal and these guys who have been around for a few years doing this are so bitter
that the thought of zeal operating in the underclassmen only enrages them.

So much so they want me gone I will be a good boy now and go to my own
thread

It is too bad that people won't follow this picture and believe it.

Mikey PS don't let the poison coming from these people get on you till you lose what they use to have. They are dead spiritually, I hate to report to
each of you. They were injured early on as they followed everyone whole heartedly like me and you.

It doesn't have to kill you if you don't let it.

We got nothin and found nothin and nothin from nothin is nothin, so what's the big deal? We suppose to follow nothin? People who have nothin? thinkin they are sumpin?

It aint nutin

[Farmhand]

So no one looked for the "Long video". Well I'll do what most other don't do, I'll
show and explain.

Long video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTv0n1bS35E

The effect seen is normal and expected. It is such a predictable effect that I
can time when I connect the empty box with the ends of the clip leads just
sitting inside it so that it looks like connecting the box has some effect, and
along with some buzz words the deception would be complete if it were not
for the tell in the second video.

Moral of the story. Do not believe anything you cannot see is real for yourself.

I learned the hard way, I had to also come to grips with the fact that there
are many deceptors in this world. I say showing how things can be made to
look interesting is so easy it child's play. Don't be fooled, ask for good evidence.
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[totoalas]

Hello Farmhand,

NICE WORK there, I understand and will take your advice, I will use it on my battery set up!

thanks for the heads up on that Sir.

thanks again,

Clarence

Heres another way to charge battery ala CAPTOR AN akula IDEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD9AovHxJss
ENJOY

[desa]

Com on Farmhand, from all the people you are the last I would expect the BS,,
Open that box before you louse all the respect. If you have something that really works, I is totally wrong way to introduce it. You should know better.
David.

Level, Nice work, . I've done better than energy from the ground, I've got
energy from the air in a small black box. Obviously when I connect the
Polarizer Box it negates the drain on the battery and even begins to recharge
it. After all the battery voltage is rising while there is a 60 Watt load on it.
The ground carries one energy and the air carries another. This device does
not even require a ground stake.

Polarizer Box.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFNLxCvOim8

I think this is the effect people are seeing with the B&L setup that is
powered by a battery. They see the voltage rise under a load and wet their
pants.

The "long video" is on my channel.

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[Fjohnnyb]

Level, Nice work, . I've done better than energy from the ground, I've got
energy from the air in a small black box. Obviously when I connect the
Polarizer Box it negates the drain on the battery and even begins to recharge
it. After all the battery voltage is rising while there is a 60 Watt load on it.
The ground carries one energy and the air carries another. This device does
not even require a ground stake.

Polarizer Box.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFNLxCvOim8

I think this is the effect people are seeing with the B&L setup that is
powered by a battery. They see the voltage rise under a load and wet their
pants.

The "long video" is on my channel.

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C'mon mate don't be so secretive... From your description I am going to take a wild guess and say you figured out a way to connect a captor loop between the two poles of a battery trying to cancel out the lenz effect? Why the big tease? Let us in man!