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[Ufopolitics]

Energy is a Global and Political Issue...not a "Local" and "Naive" one...

Yes that's true, but that problem is hardly confined to the energy field. That's the human condition.

What in the world do you mean by "that problem is hardly confined to the Energy Field...and it is [due to?] a Human Condition"?!

So, then we must keep following the same old "game methods" and "abide" or "give up" blaming it to a "Human Condition"?...please!

Energy has to be analyzed on a Global basis, not "Local" based on geographic and limited zones.

A lot more besides having no electric bills or buying energy from another country needs to change if we are to get around that nonsense.

Look around You...all the Oil producing Countries are the ones dictating what to do and what not...they rule prices, wars, and limit energy to whoever could pay -And Afford to process- the not refined "crude".

Then comes the countries "Industrially Developed at High Levels" to process the disgusting but "precious" oil...and, as well they do same thing...dictate the Global Politics on distribution.

It has been like that for almost Two VERY Long Centuries.

To all the rest of countries who can not afford to acquire the "Black Gold" , much less to Process it (which happens to be a Majority)...They either become victims, slaves or "else" they will tell them..."Thank You for flying with this Planet and have a nice life"...

All Natural Resources has been there for as long as we have populated this Planet...and many "Sub-Developed" Countries have been investing billions in expanding a technology (Solar and Wind) that is NOT Enough to supply even their local demand. They still have to keep buying the oil, processed or not.

Unless you claim the entire planet then someone else has always got something you want but don't have, so the situation is always the same.

But of course We all are here, on this International Forum, aiming towards a solution for the whole entire Planet!... and not just to "satisfy" a few well studied and "Local" Engineers, ...or retired developers to fulfill their Ego's, trying to tell them all they have studied was wrong, and is a nonsense to keep going that way...that is a complete waste of time.

There's no use waiting for that to change

No use on keep trying to change the entire Corrupt Energy System?!

I do not agree there, and I never will, that is my goal, as I believe the goal of many working very hard here.

so you have to work with what you've got in the meantime.

All the people on this Planet has been working "on whatever they have" so far for several generations...and this is not "new data" at all...However, it has NOT solved the Global Energy situation we all have been stock for 185 years.

Now going into your "Technical Question" below:

P.S. How do you propose to run the motor?

A detailed answer to Your question above will open gates to a deeper debate that I have been around for too long by now, and it does not take any of Us anywhere but to fill this nice thread with arguments and discussions which do not belong here.

First...I do not "propose" to run the motor...I did run it in a certain way that you will not be able to digest in one shot, unless I go through a pile of detailed data...and that is not my intention here -just because you asked- since it will take a whole Full Thread to do that.

But I will ask you another question...simple...is about a "List of People":

And that "List" is huge...it dates back from N. Tesla,Dr T.H. Moray, Ed Gray, Floyd Sweet, Howard Johnson, Donald Smith, De Geus, Lockridge, Hendershot, Steven Marks, Stanley Meyer, Figuera, De Palma, Kapagen...etc,etc and a very long etc...so it will fill this whole paper if I keep going and going.

What make you think that no one has been able -so far- to "debunk" entirely not even a single one of the so many related and exposed inventions, discoveries for such a long time, that dates back before you and I were born?

We could perfectly afford to throw off that pile of people some that were "frauds, hoaxes, scams"...and still...it keeps being a huge amount of Human Work.

Thinking that there is something wrong with all the generations that for so many years were trying to "decode", "debunk" all those shown and exposed models, patents, videos,etc...is thinking very stupidly, retarded and non sense...so I think you are not in that group of people right?

So then why?

The answer could become apparently "so simple" once anyone breaks the Matrix that those inventions had in common...or -at least- most are enclosed within. As many of this great people did not know why it did what it did...and were blinded by the fame and ambitions that they were observing...and decided to protect their ideas legally...bad choice as we all know...Human nature, is normal.

But to open up, expose or explain that "Matrix" you will need to take a "Red Pill"......that will erase completely all you have learned so far, and dump it...and enter the new codes of how in reality "it was" all the time.

Not a simple "job" guy. As there is not such "Sci-Fi Pill" that anyone could take -all the sudden- and understand they were wrong...humbly accepting that everything they have learned through their life time was the distorted point of view.

Even showing such operating model...won't be enough, besides no one will understand jack sh*t...it will be just the tip of the iceberg...and the iceberg is very huge.

Anyone has seen Steven Mark's TPU "at work" old and original Videos, as an example...so why absolutely no one has been able to explain in detail how it is done?

Did you really believe I was going to answer that question going through the same old road?

A Technical way to run that motor?...which one? Solar?...Battery?...come on guy you are really underestimating me...or you are playing the "Smart Cookie" role...either one.

If I wrote that a very weak motor could run a Generator capable to supply power to an entire house (for instance, but I did mention Industrial and Commercial)...why in this world...I would need to relay on batteries or solar panels?...

But You wanted me to say it with my own words...right?...mentioning the words that would "trigger" all the "Educated and Conservative" ones...nope

Sorry, but this is all you will get so far dR-Green...there will be the time when the whole thing unveils properly...be patient is not simple.

And yes, it will definitively show more than one models doing what they say can not be done...magic?...nope...just not having the "roots" properly founded on the real Matrix.

@Bob Smith: Sorry Bob for all this non related posts...this is the end of it, I promise.


Take care.


Ufopolitics

[mikrovolt]

The centrist are the real disruptive element except some in large cities. Project size increase for community funding incentives for credit unions and people banks rather than banksters for solar wind by forcast and tidal also instead of import oil. The nuclear having highest liability rather than centrist decision makers such as Fukagima. Agressive conservation. Grid diversity where cost effective. Teach by example manage resources in this nation.
Media to help distinguish those greedy monopolies from those willing to join the human race.
Cooperation rather than genicide.

[dR-Green]

What in the world do you mean by "that problem is hardly confined to the Energy Field...and it is [due to?] a Human Condition"?

I mean exactly what I said. If you want bananas and someone else has bananas then they've got something you want but don't have. You can't grow bananas in your country so they have the upper hand.

There's no use waiting for that to change

Although I find it interesting that you object when you think I'm blaming a "human condition", and in the next sentence you blame evil oil corporations and JP Morgan

Maybe I wrote it in a very 'general' and too simple way

You say solar and wind don't supply enough energy. Well my question was what SOLUTION exists as an alternative. I can't APPLY what you said. What can be APPLIED that will generate MORE energy and can ACTUALLY replace wind and solar RIGHT NOW. What can I do NOW to power a little motor that can run a generator that will surpass the 4kW solar array that is currently giving me free energy, as you implied. That was the question. Not data. Not theory about magnetism. Direct practical information.

I'm asking because as mentioned a waterfall and a generator will produce free energy, simple and straight forward. You said there are better ways. Well I can set up a waterfall and generator right now and get real results immediately. What equally simple information do you have that is an alternative and improvement on this, something that I can also do right now and get real results?

You don't need to explain the theory of magnetism for me to be able to assemble a waterfall and generator that works.

Unless there's directly applicable information available, then my objection to the fact that "an alternative" was mentioned at all is justified.

If I wrote that a very weak motor could run a Generator capable to supply power to an entire house (for instance, but I did mention Industrial and Commercial)...why in this world...I would need to relay on batteries or solar panels?...

Because something has to turn the motor that turns the generator. What is the power source. What are the motor terminals connected to.

Earth batteries and other things can run small motors, but enough power to turn a generator that can generate industrial power is a big statement. So what is the power source supposed to be that runs the motor and makes it all possible. A schematic of the actual connections and setup will be perfectly acceptable.

Otherwise as I said, all that fancy talk is a distraction from the simple fact that a waterfall and a generator, works, now, today. A 10 year plan for development of another technology is not an alternative to that.

[Bob Smith]

Stage two: Proof of concept in low power resonant circuits

This thread is being set up as a collaborative investigation of single wire power (SWP) transmission. The goal is simply to arrive at a better understanding of SWP by discussing:

- various means of production and their merits
- associated effects and phenomena
- commonly agreed upon terms to describe the above.

At this initial stage, you are invited to post:

- links to videos which claim to demonstrate SWP
- links to research papers about SWP
- discussion on merits of posted information and approaches.

Later, we will seek:

- to organize electrical terms and effects surrounding the SWP field
- to identify some simple and safe approaches to producing SWP effects for further experimentation.

Some ground rules - if you decide to post, please respect the following:

- keep discussion/debate focused on principles and not persons
- honor one another’s posts
- allow for a divergence of viewpoints, frames of reference and terminologies, given that this topic spans more than one electrodynamic paradigm. It’s okay to agree to disagree, but let’s do it respectfully.

Hey Folks,
Thanks for the lively and engaging contributions thus far. Each of us has their own reasons for getting into this area of research. Of course, each of us has their own framework for understanding what we observe. The great thing about this forum is that it provides a place for all of us to continue exchanging ideas and in the process, helping one learn along the way.

I copied the initial post from this thread as a kind of reminder of how far we've come and as a proposal for next steps. What I'd like to propose now is that we move to a next stage involving:

- looking at replications of some reliable low power resonant circuits (one of which is the SWP circuit).

This is meant to be a kind of "inventor neutral" stage. I don't think we need to focus collectively on any one inventor such as Tesla, Don Smith or others. Rather, I'd like to propose sharing of low power resonant circuits as a kind of proof of concepts. I've posted a few earlier on, and will bring them back up. We can discuss replications and help each other along as we move toward our own replications of low power proof of concept examples (which some have already done).

At the same time, we can begin clarifying (and in some cases, respectfully agreeing to disagree) "electrical terms and effects surrounding the [resonant] SWP field" as stated above. We've already begun discussing different aspects of the interaction between the resonant circuit and the environment, and how different components interact with a system at resonance. Hopefully, we'll be able to continue doing so, and come to some succinct definitions.

So, to recap, what I'm proposing is:

- looking at low power resonant SWP systems for replication purposes, and sharing info on various simple low power builds.
- more clearly defining terms and phenomena surrounding the resonant SWP setup.

Bob

[med.3012]

i think the phenomena of single wire power transmission is related to open sources of power : take the two wire connection battery for example :



the electric current has to interact directly with the source of power which is the battery in this case, imagine another special battery arranged as follow :



in this case the electric current isn't forced to interact directly with the source of power, so SWP can exist if we could manage another indirect interaction with the source of power .

[dR-Green]

med.3012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return

[med.3012]

med.3012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return

i didn't meant to use the ground as a return, the drawing is still a battery, the idea consist of studying the similarity... that's all .

[boguslaw]

Oh, blind people ...what do you still looking for ? Figuera and Buforn explained all in details.
You may think that "don't kill the dipole" is a faint mystery while it is simple rule broken in all generators. All is explained in Figuera patent, it need just a little twist. A perfect symmetry of coils.A stronger magnetic field , a proper output coils placement.

[med.3012]

Oh, blind people ...

aren't there another replacement words ?! i am interested in this thread because there is a relation between SWP and power amplification in the E-TBC, my latest idea consist of supposing the voltage is flowing perpendicular to the movement of current :



and see this one :




the interaction between radiant voltage and radiant current make it possible to use only one wire to harvest the power, the following is the proposed circuit :



there is a serial/parallel interaction which is possible only using SWP technique! this mechanism isn't simple because we have to understand the interaction with the environment in order to use it perfectly !

[med.3012]

notice the red coil with the two ground connections in D-Smith device :




the technique of SWP is used in his device but in a hidden manner using the two earth connection with the red coil ...

[dR-Green]

Radio Amateurs Handbook 40TH Edition: Arrl: Amazon.com: Books

ARRL Handbook 2015

Capacitive coupling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Resonant inductive coupling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Inductive coupling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

- more clearly defining terms and phenomena surrounding the resonant SWP setup.

"Radiant" means radiated or radiating.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/radiant?s=t

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/radiant%20energy

[med.3012]

again take a look at the following PDF from Vladimir Utkin :

http://freenrg.info/4I/PDFS/Vladimir_Utkin2.pdf

i will quote from this book ( page 13) see the attached drawing :






As shown in Fig. 29, the value of the shunt capacitor is chosen so that coils (6) and (7) form a pair of orthogonal coils, which allows us to consider this schematic to be close to the variant (C) radiant effect. Fig. 28 and Fig. 29 also draw attention to capacitor (4) - this is similar to the capacitor in the ordinary Tesla coil, but its value is very small (only 10 pF). This indicates that the system operates in a resonant mode forming a discharge capacitor of the electro-radiant effect mechanism.

[med.3012]

this is a very small book from Dr Konstantin Meyl ( only 9 pages) :

http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliter...alar-Waves.pdf

quote from this book :

In my experiment the transmitter is situated in the mysterious near zone. Also Tesla always worked in the near zone. But who asks for the reasons, will discover that the near field effect is nothing else but the scalar wave part of the wave equation. My explanation goes as follows:...

[Bob Smith]

... As for the question about can the “ambient environment” add to the overall output of this system? Can the Aether be “tickled” somehow to allow a reverse flow as a matter of speaking? As dR Green mentioned, it is unlikely as potential flows from high to low, or from hot to cold. However if one accepts and considers the concept of Counterspace, (being a component of the “ambient environment”) perhaps there is a method currently unknown to us? ...

Hi there, Sputins
I guess I missed your post the other day. While open to all possibilities, the tickle the aether explanation is my personal bias. Looking forward to hearing whether your queries in this direction lead anywhere further.

Thanks for all the posts, guys. And Happy Father's Day to all the dads out there!
Bob

[Bob Smith]

I should be clear about my last post. I'm not saying that the Tesla coil setups with single wire lit bulbs are not working according to the principles that posters have said are involved. I'm speaking to my own low powered setup which involves low voltage. I'll speak further to this soon.
Bob