Single Wire Power - A Search for Ambient Power to do Wwork

[DavidE]

dR-Green

This thread is authored by Bob Smith so I say what I say only based on my own review of what you have to say (your post here). I am not saying there isn't an element of truth in some of your post, but you are no help in the pursuit of new energetic possibilities.

Normally I go out of my way to keep open channels of perspective, but like all things, this has limits. For me you have way too much "agenda" or are "locked in dogma" of your historical interpretations.

Now is your intent purposeful, or innocent? It doesn't matter, you are blatant agent of a fixed potential which is the opposite of what has been proven in countless places.

You have a right to your own flavor of belief and expression as part of existence. But for me, you are now located on a list of posters that are harmful to the cause of opening minds to the real larger story of Potential, Resonance and the Dielectric.

[dR-Green]

dR-Green

This thread is authored by Bob Smith so I say what I say only based on my own review of what you have to say (your post here). I am not saying there isn't an element of truth in some of your post, but you are no help in the pursuit of new energetic possibilities.

Normally I go out of my way to keep open channels of perspective, but like all things, this has limits. For me you have way too much "agenda" or are "locked in dogma" of your historical interpretations.

Now is your intent purposeful, or innocent? It doesn't matter, you are blatant agent of a fixed potential which is the opposite of what has been proven in countless places.

You have a right to your own flavor of belief and expression as part of existence. But for me, you are now located on a list of posters that are harmful to the cause of opening minds to the real larger story of Potential, Resonance and the Dielectric.

I'm not searching for any "new energetic possibilities", by which I presume you mean "source", I never claimed to be.

This whole approach is the equivalent of searching for a needle in a haystack. Except no one has bothered first to learn what a haystack looks like.

You are free to indulge yourself in theories on top of theories, but don't think that it hasn't been noticed that ultimately no one understands anything and no one can make anything work.

People propose to advance upon something which they have failed to even replicate or comprehend in its original form. I suppose this is the point that I should wish you good luck.

[DavidE]

[dR-Green]

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[med.3012]

I'm not searching for any "new energetic possibilities", by which I presume you mean "source", I never claimed to be.

This whole approach is the equivalent of searching for a needle in a haystack. Except no one has bothered first to learn what a haystack looks like.

You are free to indulge yourself in theories on top of theories, but don't think that it hasn't been noticed that ultimately no one understands anything and no one can make anything work.

People propose to advance upon something which they have failed to even replicate or comprehend in its original form. I suppose this is the point that I should wish you good luck.

even the words wasn't directed to me but as one of researchers in this forum i see myself concerned , we have an Arabic wisdom tell : if you give all of yourself to the knowledge, it will give a little to you! but if you give a little of yourself to the knowledge, it will give you nothing ...

the operation of learning is continuation, we already know no one know everything ... someone will have two choice :

1- keep learning so you are still receiving knowledge and wisdom .
2- you think you know a lots, so the above rule will be apply... you have nothing !

most people on this forum use the words: i think , i guess , my opinion, my point of view, so they are aware they are not ideal,

People propose to advance upon something which they have failed to even replicate or comprehend in its original form.

what is failure in your dictionary? failure will happen when someone stop seeking the beauty of truth, stop learning ,or at least when he give up, working together and talking with other people is a great opportunity we have to use perfectly !

[dR-Green]

even the words wasn't directed to me but as one of researchers in this forum i see myself concerned , we have an Arabic wisdom tell : if you give all of yourself to the knowledge, it will give a little to you! but if you give a little of yourself to the knowledge, it will give you nothing ...

the operation of learning is continuation, we already know no one know everything ... someone will have two choice :

1- keep learning so you are still receiving knowledge and wisdom .
2- you think you know a lots, so the above rule will be apply... you have nothing !

most people on this forum use the words: i think , i guess , my opinion, my point of view, so they are aware they are not ideal,

People propose to advance upon something which they have failed to even replicate or comprehend in its original form.

what is failure in your dictionary? failure will happen when someone stop seeking the beauty of truth, stop learning ,or at least when he give up, working together and talking with other people is a great opportunity we have to use perfectly !

Meyl says "Tesla says this is how it works" and proceeds to explain it in his own words.

I say that's wrong, and quote Tesla's own words to prove it.

This is not a matter of knowing everything or nothing. Tesla explains his own system perfectly well. There is no need for Meyl to come along and say "this is what Tesla was doing" in his own incorrect interpretation.

If Meyl wants to say "this is what Meyl is doing" then he would be telling the truth for once and thus this particular basis for disputing it would not exist.

How else shall I say it? We have a cat and Meyl is describing a dog, so I object to his claiming that he's describing a cat?

It's not a matter of opinion, the dictionary says so.

I don't "think" that Tesla said what I proceed to quote. I am quoting it because he said it and therefore it exists to be quoted. I'm not the one who is making things up and proclaiming that my interpretation is what Tesla was doing.

Maybe I should. It seems like more fun. Less negativity than if you try to tell people the truth.

[med.3012]

Meyl says "Tesla says this is how it works" and proceeds to explain it in his own words.

I say that's wrong, and quote Tesla's own words to prove it.

This is not a matter of knowing everything or nothing. Tesla explains his own system perfectly well. There is no need for Meyl to come along and say "this is what Tesla was doing" in his own incorrect interpretation.

If Meyl wants to say "this is what Meyl is doing" then he would be telling the truth for once and thus this particular basis for disputing it would not exist.

How else shall I say it? We have a cat and Meyl is describing a dog, so I object to his claiming that he's describing a cat?

It's not a matter of opinion, the dictionary says so.

I don't "think" that Tesla said what I proceed to quote. I am quoting it because he said it and therefore it exists to be quoted. I'm not the one who is making things up and proclaiming that my interpretation is what Tesla was doing.

Maybe I should. It seems like more fun. Less negativity than if you try to tell people the truth.

Meyl tried to explain Tesla work mathematically, whatever he did it in the correct way or in the wrong way it worth to be studied .. Tesla himself stated he don't know what is electricity exactly .. this open the door for further discovery and explanation, Don Smith for example go further more in Tesla technology, until now some people are in doubt if Smith does really built a free energy device or not !

i don't know because i am still working on my device and trying to clarify my point of view , a lot of people around the world find my idea very interesting and they are working on it, the more experienced guys work on my device the more better!

in another way i have my own thread where i discuss the latest information, we have to discuss the technique itself faraway from personnel judgement !

His mistakes are idiotic at best, and one fails to see how they can be accidental, given the fact he earns his living off selling kits, books and lectures. How stupid does he seem?

i think he is free to sell whatever he want if this is valuable to other people! your statement can be read in other way : people purchase his kits or materials are stupid too !

[dR-Green]

i think he is free to sell whatever he want if this is valuable to other people! your statement can be read in other way : people purchase his kits or materials are stupid too !

Indeed he is free to do what he likes. But the moment he tries to sell his idea under the guise of someone else's idea, and pretending one thing to be the same as another, then it likewise authorises anyone who notices the fallacy to call him out on it.

The people who are buying the kits are not claiming to be authorities selling books and doing lectures on the subject, they're just interested in learning something. Getting up on stage in front of a paying audience and spouting false information, or personal opinion, as if it is the truth is not the same thing.

Don Smith has "gone further than Tesla" it's claimed, but where is the proof that he's even equalled Tesla's achievements, let alone surpassed them? There is no evidence, it's just more hot air. More music from the pied piper to keep the room dancing. And then people get confused because they can't do what Don Smith does so there MUST be some missing secret information, and the information gets more and more complicated and obscure and irrelevant to reality, and no one can do anything.

This is why I suggested at the beginning to forget all the youtube nonsense and to go back to the basics.

[med.3012]

Indeed he is free to do what he likes. But the moment he tries to sell his idea under the guise of someone else's idea, and pretending one thing to be the same as another, then it likewise authorises anyone who notices the fallacy to call him out on it.

The people who are buying the kits are not claiming to be authorities selling books and doing lectures on the subject, they're just interested in learning something. Getting up on stage in front of a paying audience and spouting false information, or personal opinion, as if it is the truth is not the same thing.

Don Smith has "gone further than Tesla" it's claimed, but where is the proof that he's even equalled Tesla's achievements, let alone surpassed them? There is no evidence, it's just more hot air. More music from the pied piper to keep the room dancing. And then people get confused because they can't do what Don Smith does so there MUST be some missing secret information, and the information gets more and more complicated and obscure and irrelevant to reality, and no one can do anything.

This is why I suggested at the beginning to forget all the youtube nonsense and to go back to the basics.

Meyl experiment about Tesla wireless power transmitter do work, but it's not similar to the original Tesla system, while Tesla used high voltage Meyl used a very few volts! as you said people want to learn something, we still have the opportunity to learn from each other, see it this way faraway from what he claimed...
i don't have the time to read or watch all of Meyl materials, it take years to discover everything made on the subject, so i am turning on the basic of things, my work is based on excluding Maxwell displacement current in order to gain direct access to background energy or whatever called, doing so i am still finding similarity between my system and Tesla works, I agree with you there MUST be some missing secret information but what is the solution ?

when Tesla talk about his Bi-filar coil he said it clearly : My present invention has for its object to avoid the employment of condensers now you have a physical coil and another hidden capacitor, this capacitor replace displacement current through another mechanism called spin separation, in any ordinary capacitor there is no displacement current but the scalar part of the electromagnetic waves is what make it to conduct in alternating current !
(in this part i find Meyl equation and explanation interesting) the scalar part of electromagnetic waves work in reverse manner ( but equal ) compared transverse electromagnetic waves ...

there is still a hidden mechanism that make scalar waves differ from ordinary electromagnetic waves, understanding these facts may solve the problem!

[Bob Smith]

I'm not searching for any "new energetic possibilities", by which I presume you mean "source", I never claimed to be.

This whole approach is the equivalent of searching for a needle in a haystack. Except no one has bothered first to learn what a haystack looks like.

You are free to indulge yourself in theories on top of theories, but don't think that it hasn't been noticed that ultimately no one understands anything and no one can make anything work.

People propose to advance upon something which they have failed to even replicate or comprehend in its original form. I suppose this is the point that I should wish you good luck.

dR-Green
I started this thread with the clear intention of using a single wire power setup as a starting point for tapping into the power of the ambient/aether. Your posts have made it abundantly clear that Tesla's one wire power setups involved either a single wire or using the ground as a medium for transmission in his various "wireless" transmission patents. Your explanations as to why a load such as a bulb lights up with a single wire power setup are clear. You have repeatedly stated that Meyl's claims are problematic, if not impossible, in light of Tesla's principles, which you have verified with your own builds.

I am proposing a paradigm for gathering electrical charge. It is becoming clearer each day, thanks to posts by yourself and a few others, that this paradigm constitutes an approach to harnessing useable electrical charge which differs from the approaches you have gone to great lengths to explain.

This thread is moving in a different direction that that which you are proposing, in faithfulness to its title, "A Search for Ambient Power to do Work." This direction will use some of the language of standard EM theory, and will draw upon thought expressed by various researchers including the man himself (Nikola Tesla) when convenient. However, it is not an attempt to replicate what Tesla nor anyone else has done.

Again, I want to be clear that this thread is not about replicating Tesla's single wire power transmission. It is about elaborating a conceptual framework for a paradigm for gathering ambient power to do work. You and others do not have to agree with this approach, and I would ask that the debate about its merits be over now.

This thread is not about Tesla or Don Smith, or any other researcher (though it may draw on elements or concepts from their work). It is about elaborating a framework for understanding this paradigm of gathering useable power from the ambient and replicating setups based on this framework as a proof of concept on a small scale.

Let us proceed...

[DavidE]

Discovery.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DpZ5Ecgt9c[/VIDEO]

What can we learn from this circuit?

[Bob Smith]

DavidE
Great find! I took some notes from the first half of the video and pasted them below, bolding some areas that I felt spoke directly to this thread's ambient power emphasis. Will try to get more notes later and edit them in.
Regards,
Bob

…making this vid to explain the last vid, driving the load underwater. Again, that’s not a normal, simple, explainable RF effect…

(3:00-3:12) …kinda suspicious because he [Tesla] talked about this circuit in every one of his lectures, and demoed it in many of them as well. I invite everyone familiar with his patents to think about how this circuit could be applied to the rest of his patents; I think this is sort of a missing key.

7:33--- …when you align the two capacitors like this, and put a load in between the dielectric plates, the load is in the dielectric realm here. As we know, theoretically a capacitor allows zero electromagnetic current through it, right, it merely builds a charge on the plates. So there’s no current going through these capacitors, and that basically is why it wasn’t shocking me. And the load is driven purely by the dielectric side of electricity; there are two sides to electricity: the yin and the yang. We have the electromagnetic side, which this [left] side is operating under, and we have the electro-dielectric side here, on this [right] side of the capacitors. This is isolated by the dielectric in the two capacitors… … so our load’s driven by the dielectric side alone.

…now, just having a short across the load like that [between the ends of two stout bars] is something that just really should never happen, and have the load being driven, right; it should avoid the load at all costs, with normal electromagnetic side of electricity. But in the dielectric side, it likes that resistor. …the resistive load is in between the capacitor plates, and it’s separated from the current, but it’s [i.e., the load] still being driven by the dielectric side of electricity in the dielectric realm; it’s in the dielectric realm. There’s no transverse electromagnetic current on this side of the capacitors…

…so in between the two capacitor dielectrics is only the dielectric side of electricity, right, which seems to really like resistors. And in fact, the resistor is pulling; what it’s doing, is pulling the dielectric or longitudinal or different terms for this energy, out of the environment, actually. That’s how it’s described by Tesla, Steinmetz, Heaviside. So if you disagree with what I’m saying, in these descriptions, you’re also disagreeing with Nikola Tesla, Oliver Heaviside and Charles Steinmetz… But it has different characteristics from the transverse electromagnetic side of electricity. Now again, this can be called “dielectric electricity”, “longitudinal energy”, sometimes referred to “scalar energy” and other terms as well. All refer to the same thing; all those terms are referring to this dielectric realm. And please, don’t get lost in the word games, because all those words are referring to the same thing.

[dR-Green]

AC passes through capacitor?

DC is blocked by capacitor?

Don't get shocked?

High frequency?

[DavidE]

DR-Green

You said...

I'm not searching for any "new energetic possibilities"

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[dR-Green]

I said he said she said squat.

DR-Green

You said...


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Is that supposed to be some sort of joke that only concrete dwelling folk understand?

What one believes is irrelevant. What makes you think that I've told you everything I think? You should be more concerned with what actually happens.

If you are using the earth as the transmission medium, which itself has a natural resonant frequency and various natural electrical activity, then it's conceivable that you might be able to work with it to your advantage