Single Wire Power - A Search for Ambient Power to do Wwork

[Bob Smith]

Hello Bob. I don't think the capacitance of the wire to the circuit really has much at all to do with it. I would think you can move that wire further away from the joule thief signal generator and it will work about the same. AC is not DC, and it is perfectly normal for AC in the range of even low KHz and on up in frequency to be able to pass energy down a single wire. This concept is used all the time in radio. You can connect a single wire or whip antenna to a radio receiver or transmitter and the radio signal is able to pass down the single wire to the receiver, or able to go from the transmitter down the single wire, and act as a transmitting antenna to radiate EM energy from the antenna. The joule thief circuit is acting as a signal generator sending an AC (actualy it is probably pulsating DC, but it amounts to the same thing) 'signal' (waveform) down a single wire to an AV plug, which converts the AC coming down the single wire to DC. The LED is then being lit from the DC. Again AC energy passing down a single wire is perfectly normal for AC. You do not need a return wire for single wire power transmission, although having both the 'transmitter' and 'receiver' grounded can improve performanace at lower frequencies. At higher and higher frequencies the capacitive reactance from the circuit to the ground becomes less and less, but there may be other factors involved due to frequency itself.

Thanks for the helpful post, Level. I've never seen the AV plug explained as a simple AC to DC converter. You mention that grounding seems to improve performance at lower frequencies, and may be less needed at higher frequencies. This seems borne out by some of the demos I've seen. It seems that at higher frequencies, the ground isn't necessary at all, and perhaps, the housing of the bulb being lit at the end of the single wire may be all the "ground" needed.

And at higher frequencies, those "other factors [that may be] involved due to frequency itself" are an interesting consideration. It seems there are a variety of explanations in this HF realm. For instance, the role played by resonance in separating magnetism from dielectricity in an inductor, as demonstrated by Eric Dollard in one of those early Borderlands videos. Then there is Doc Stiffler's reference to "pinging" the spatio-temporal lattice in order to "cohere" energy into the system. What exactly does this mean? I believe it may be something akin to what Thomas Bearden talks about in the Energy from the Vaccuum (and other) series - that the HF disturbances of the surrounding aether and the resultant energetic imbalance between a circuit and the aether, causes the aether to push back with its own ambient energy to restore balance in a circuit. I'll see if I can find the video clip, or if someone else does, please post.

Thanks for the post!
Great food for thought as the SWP plot thickens .
Bob

[Bob Smith]

As Level has pointed out, this is perfectly normal behavior for a high frequency AC circuit. To get a better understanding of what is going on look up "standing wave ratio" or SWR on the internet or in the ARRL amateur radio operator's handbook.
Carroll

Hi Carroll
Yes, not being a radio guy, I still find your reference to the standing wave ratio of interest. I keep coming across the idea of a standing wave and its role in these kinds of resonant systems. This seems to be borne out in the YT video that Bro Mikey posted just below yours.

Way to go Mikrovolt
Did you see this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1-RIcj1HY

Tesla's Big Mistake?

This video seems to draw a direct link between the standing wave travelling down the single wire and the "appearance" of useful power at the other end of the wire after being stepped up/down. The right resonant frequency and harmonics seem to be key to the production of the SW.
Thanks for the post.
And you too Mikey! "Tesla's Big Mistake" was helpful as well in explaining single wire transmission within the parameters of conventional EM theory.
Bob

[Bob Smith]

The clip lead for Xee2 or Stiffler functions as a counterpoise.
Some claim it is like one plate of a capacitor other say it is a capacitive coupling.
It was developed for ground systems to overcome low resistance
in soil for monopole antennas. later more suffisticated arrangements were developed.
This explanation is not entirely complete. In the Stiffler one wire experiments I got better results less build up time
by making a heavier gauge clip lead. It is my understanding that Tesla would terminate some single wires with rounded ends
sometimes spheres this is in contrast to sharp pointed ends.
These methods can help distribute where and how this may support
part of the system by reflecting the wave seen as an artificial ground.

Some interesting phenomena have been reported
under the subheading Cautions Using Counterpoises:
Counterpoise Systems

Not all grounding systems are under ground and others have tiers of radials below ground
shown in figure 5 which are commonly found with Marconi antennas.
http://www.dxing.com/tnotes/tnote02.pdf

Mikrovolt,
Thanks for this. I read thru the counterpoise systems article once, but it merits a few goings-over. The more info we have being brought to bear on the SWP phenomenon (and associated phenomena) can only help us better understand what's going on.
Your contribution is appreciated.
Bob

[Ernst]

Hi Ernst
Thanks for the post. Interesting HF-HV effects. I have a few questions:
Is your 2.5pF capacitance actually a capacitor or a wire with this same capacitance?
Does your capacitor then constitute a kind of extension of the open leg of the bulb (like an antenna)?
Bob

The 2.5 pF (it is actually a little less) is half a beer can made into a more globe shape.
On the picture you can see it being attached with a metal clip to one wire coming from the bulb. So it is not a (two wire) capacitor, it is a metal sphere.
In the diagram you can see it as a yellow sphere with an orange shade in the middle.
Like an antenna if you wish, but it is not receiving or transmitting other than through the wire that connects it to the bulb.

Ernst

[BroMikey]

And you too Mikey! "Tesla's Big Mistake" was helpful as well in explaining single wire transmission within the parameters of conventional EM theory.
Bob

Yes thanks

I don't claim to understand it all but I am reading

What WAS Tesla's Secret?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yqUula9GqU

[lotec]

I was wondering if counterpoise was used to add the last bit of conducting material to the wave guide to satisfy the SW condition so there is maximum allowance for charge movement and reflection.

Edit oops I meant 1/4 standing wave condition, I might have counterpoise confused with antennae or vritual ground

[BroMikey]

I was wondering if counterpoise was used to add the last bit of conducting material to the wave guide to satisfy the SW condition so there is maximum allowance for charge movement and reflection.

Edit oops I meant 1/4 standing wave condition, I might have counterpoise confused with antennae or vritual ground

Not Sure but look here

Counterpoise?

[lotec]

Not Sure but look here

Counterpoise?

thanks, looks interesting.

[mikrovolt]

The counterpoise being part of the AV plug
on a one wire. This new near-field is located
at the terminating end of the one wire.

The term near-field is a borrowed term also.
There are concentric regions when propagating
from the end of the wire by another coil with capacitor hat however this series arrangement can continue again using small capacitive coupling. I am not sure if Stiffler made claim to this and I had not seen this before.

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[Magnethos]

Good threat. There are different versions of the one wire energy transfer methods. There are some methods that we yet don't know.

[Magnethos]

This thread is being set up as a collaborative investigation of single wire power (SWP) transmission. The goal is simply to arrive at a better understanding of SWP

To send energy using only one wire you've to use one-dimensional electricity. Ordinary electrical energy is in two dimensions. So remove one of them.

[lotec]

The counterpoise being part of the AV plug
on a one wire. This new near-field is located
at the terminating end of the one wire.

The term near-field is a borrowed term also.
There are concentric regions when propagating
from the end of the wire by another coil with capacitor hat however this series arrangement can continue again using small capacitive coupling. I am not sure if Stiffler made claim to this and I had not seen this before.

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Thanks

When you put it that way I can visualize that. The name is quite descriptive.

I remember Dr Stiffler talking about a near infinity scenerio. Im not learned in his work. If there is more to capacitors than whats been taught perhaps these open circuits may be the way to tap that.

[Magnethos]

You don't know the work of Michael Bank?
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMW6FVERQ0k[/VIDEO]

[lotec]

I never heard of him before thanks

[Bob Smith]

To send energy using only one wire you've to use one-dimensional electricity. Ordinary electrical energy is in two dimensions. So remove one of them.

Nicely put, Magnethos!!
If we remove one dimension, then it is going to interact differently with everythying, I think:
- with the ambient/electrostatic environment
- with diodes
- with wires
- with resistors
- with capacitors
- with loads
...