Single Wire Power - A Search for Ambient Power to do Wwork

[wantomake]

move on

Hey Duncan, Dave,Bob, DavidE and others,
I've been testing more with just the 2BGS and find same results as before. Good long runs and discharging battery.

I mentioned earlier on the 3BGS thread about finding the correct mixture of chemicals to build a power cell to produce the energy witnessed by some from that tricky "bad battery". I've tried alum, Epson salts, baking powder, dry batteries, even have a reversed polarized battery. But still no monster.

And to stay true to this thread tried the single wire power attached with no success. I'm sure that's on me and not the circuit setup. The earth ground attached to the bad battery seems to do something to the 2BGS but not sure.

I want to move on to a power cell made of crystal/chemical or such. Just no more bad batteries. I feel they are mocking me each time I grab one to do more test!!!!

wantomake

[Turion]

That last section I posted from the 3BGS thread was because I believe it may directly apply here. I was explaining why I thought there was some kind of MAGNETIC alignment taking place inside a good "bad battery" that made it produce power and showing the evidence for why I believe that. I think it applies here because I don't believe you can come up with a power cell unless you address that issue of magnetic as well as electrical alignment. Might this ALSO apply to circuits...right down to the wire?

[wantomake]

magnetic film

Hey Dave,
I bought a 4" x 6" piece of magnetic film to see the flux of magnets and coils. So I placed it on the side of the bad battery and it did show faint flux(?) like shades.I know that parallel capacitor plates produce flux lines, according to some studying I've done. But I'm trying to wrap my head around the magnetic and electrical alignment. This is new to me, but didn't know batteries produce magnetism.

wantomake

[Bob Smith]

That last section I posted from the 3BGS thread was because I believe it may directly apply here. I was explaining why I thought there was some kind of MAGNETIC alignment taking place inside a good "bad battery" that made it produce power and showing the evidence for why I believe that. I think it applies here because I don't believe you can come up with a power cell unless you address that issue of magnetic as well as electrical alignment. Might this ALSO apply to circuits...right down to the wire?

Is it possible that the new magnetic alignment in the battery is due to its interaction with the dielectric realm, which supplies the incoming charge? Conventional electric charge from a regular battery charger hooked properly to pos and neg terminals is going to produce a certain type of potential difference and amperage between the terminals.

Now, does the presence of transverse electromagnetism in the incoming charging leads give rise to conventional hot amperage and positive magnetic polarity?

Conversely, if a potential difference is being induced into a battery from the aether via longitudinal EM, is this form of charge coming from counterspace going to produce an accompanying counter-polarity?

If this is the case, might reversing the battery's magnetic polarity be as simple as charging it with longitudinal or scalar electromagnetism?

As a related side - Duncan was relating how his motor seemed to slow down or speed up in sync with his own intent that the motor behave as such. I know that intentionality is scalar in nature, and that our intents can change the pH of water in a glass on another continent. Our good or ill will seems to be able to affect others at a distance; this is scalar activity as well. Recall the stories of John Worrell Keely having crafted precision machines that he was able to start and stop with his own intentionality - scalar interaction. Our wills have an effect on sensitive creatures and materials around us. In fact, our intentionality seems to be able to affect others instantaneously. It only makes sense that they would propagate through counterspace.

So is it possible that a switch in magnetic polarity involves a battery's reception of longitudinal electromagnetism that originates in counterspace/aether?

I think you're right, Dave. Understanding this mystery will help us better understand and proceed with single wire power setups - which also engage the aether and draw in significant amounts of charge.

Bob

[Duncan]

yeah well -- It can be made to fit

Bob there's a lot of ifs and Buts to answer however Factor this in it isn't resonance as in 90 deg leading or lagging (it is however clearly a series circuit) So if what David considers is true it must be resonant but - anti -phase. Like Darts .. 180
I am certain that magnetics have little part to play still amp/turns are the standard text for magnetic flux and so volts play no part. It would , And could flip. (Its balanced on a knife's edge after all) I also recall that crystal oscillators driven in 'overtone mode' were driven resonant 'anti-phase' so to be rich in 'parasitics' and so make overtones predominant that fits in too !
The power equasion looks so .. P = VI cos 180 deg = VI (-1) well one guys minus is anothers plus -1 is after all at the black heart of the J operator! we are simply in a different dimention … is it sucking power in and converting it ? What the hell do you think? how many more people need to see it ?
This state of 'anti phase' can be arranged with a coil , consider a centre tapped transformer used to drive a push pull output. The centre tap becomes reff and the ends of the coil anti – phase w.r.t each other Keeping that in mind.Take another look at this vintage bit of TK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAPe3DiYt2o
Note the Big Earth cable (needed at resonance to suck up -1 power = magnetic current . Notice The centre tapped transformer needed to arrange the 180 deg phase shift.
Tapping the sheath of the coax .. load matching. Like ' the infinate impedance' of the sulphated battery ' The cardusious coil can be a total energy sink or if centre tapped (I assume) an infinate impedance at all frequencies w.r.t to source.
Caduceus Coil
Suffice to presume a/ Crystals hold the key to one method b/ As does resonant Anti-phase c/rapid state of change d/ Large ground connection to carry reactive current. The bits fit
It is my understanding that these TK and DLS type things can light a bulb … or quite a few bulbs but not do much else .
Xtals however as shown by T.H.Moray can do it all. They are the real deal! If your in 'The land of the free' and start accumilating bullet holes and poison cocktails from a sweet caring administration . you probably got the technicalities … dead right. ( like the pun?) thought not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuH72G5qXow
The practicallites of (growing ?) harvesting ? Cutting ? stableizing Lots of crystals to handle that big reactive current and driving them all in parellel in overtone mode.. not my field ! Like a transistor my dealings with Xtals consist of looking up its specification and ordering one.
Also because its -1 power Its not electro-magnetic's we consider so must be . electro-static's as the only logical alternative. we know 'what it isnt' and it a'int electro-magnetic . I think that's but a secondary effect.
To simplify it David and wantomake .. view it (if you like) as tuning an old analog radio but somewhat reversed, to the left of the station is what you see as magnetic North. To the right of the station is what you see as magnetic south … If things are flipping then your close to anti -phase resonance . Were it actually a radio something called Q factor and impedance matching comes into play . In this case its down to physical size. Plate seperation and crystals.
None of this helps one jot unless some nano chemist type can get his nashers into bulk parellel connected overtone driven stable xtals and tell us how it might be done. Its an odd combination of electrical principles and Radio principles twisted slightly out of shape

[thx1138]

Food for thought: dendrites

Researching the lead acid battery electrochemistry, sulfation, etc., I took a look at dendrites in lead acid batteries which are the lead crystals that grow in a battery that eventually short out the plates.

It kind of brought it all together - fractals, crystals, batteries, etc. Dendrite means "tree like". When examined under a microscope they clearly show their tree like structure and it immediately reminded me of Yagi antennas. I didn't find anything on the size of lead dendrites but looking at snow flakes we see the elements are about 0.5mm apart which works out to a frequency of 599.58GHz. the dendrite branches are smaller and of various lengths like Yagi elements. Interestingly, the lead and water dendrites will be conductive also. So how do we make GHz or THz or possibly higher frequency antennas? Grow dendrites!

Could this explain transmission of intent as well as other effects being discussed in this thread, i.e. Duncan's reference to an old crystal radio, considering DC current as phenomenally high frequency AC current, stochastic resonance (there would be billions of these tiny antennas), etc?

Crystal and metal dendrites grow at their tips and various things can be made to happen at the tip by influencing the electrical field around the dendrite while it is growing. Could that tip that is growing be the diode mentioned in other posts in this thread?

What would be the result of tying millions or billions of GHz and/or THz Yagi antennas together? The dendrites could, in effect, be the antennas of a single wire system collecting power from the ambient medium, different sized dendrites collecting different frequencies and the diodes at the tips forcing the current to flow in only one direction.

It would also explain why reconditioning the battery destroys the effect - it destroys the lead dendrites (antennas).

Electric Snow Crystal Growth ... Using electric fields to alter the growth of snow crystals ...

Dendrite (mathematics)

Dendrite (crystal)

Dendrite (metal)

Dendrite (neuron)

[mikrovolt]

Correct again THX a nerve makes up an oscillator the dendrite is one end of a dipole
and the other is the axon terminal the two receivers. The transmitter / waveguide is the axon body the trunk connecting the dipole ends. The form and function gives some clues. Inside the nerve is an electric transport system of organic molecules. This flow of signal energy passes through a synaptic transmission or neurotransmitter a type of impulse gap.

On a separate note with lead acid crystals a phenomena in energetic science recall that madam Curie understood that the first crystals that formed where different isotope or inner layers. She was able to isolate radium from pitch blend by repeating this process.

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[Bob Smith]

Great insight THX! Makes a lot of sense, given the way crystals grow. I haven't time right now to review your links, but would think they further develop your point.

The one thing that keeps being reaffirmed to me - particularly by one friend who is further along in this than I - is the importance of stressing the dielectric through a difference of potential within (and without) the system.

If we look at lightning - we see a difference of potential between ionosphere and ground. The difference of potential stresses the dielectric (air) and results in dielectric breakdown: Lightning. Looking at the shape of lighning strikes, there is that same dendrite-like progression of shape, I think.

I wonder if we also find the same potential difference and dielectric breakdown of sorts (facilitated by sulfate crystals) within the LA battery.

But there are ways to widen the potential difference or widen charge gradient within the system itself. I will post a couple of ideas in the next couple of days as time permits - there's a turkey with my name on it waiting for some serious hot treatment, and the clock is ticking (so I'm told).

A blessed Christmas and holiday to all.
Bob

[Duncan]

great stuff THX sounds right I'm afraid microscopes and chemistry are a mystery to me but I'm certain your on the right track also MV. I can spare little time right now - I live in the now very injured and devastated town of Kendal and am struggling with flooding.
It strikes me that The electricity we are all familiar with and trained to comprehend consists of volts and amps – That is what we measure and manipulate. Its all we know! In simple terms electricity (as we know it) is divided in two . (amps volts) The maths and science all obey transverse laws … Fourier transform et- al
This isn't electricity in anyway we would normally expect to encounter it . No volts (as we know it) Very different current .. It is essentially continuous back EMF .. hence the armature --- capacitor … or other variable switching
is needed. (much like the synaptic gap you consider I surmise) --- Just to make an educated guess quarts crystals have long been used to achieve very accurate frequency multiplication . That multiplication starts from a harmonic mode (which we are familiar with) or an overtone mode .. which we are not that series resonance (if its the same game play as Quarts) is then created by driving the crystals anti -phase.( research crystals driven in overtone mode) … here is a division of 'electricity' along different lines with very different unexpected and unpredictable results The yagi beam element did not escape me on the original 3BGS thread either . In fact if you re-draw the original 3BGS circuit as a wheatstone bridge you get to a crude ATU the motor being the variable arm.
merry Crimbo everyone .. Kind regards Duncan

[Duncan]

This thought crossed my mind THX .. as a way I would try (if I could) I'm afraid my little workshop and test gear is flooded and destroyed . The Austrian pyramid researcher Thomas Trawoger although now contracted and obliged to remove content and refuses enquiries some time ago released a video. His work was of course copied (so its still available)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7GYlo-6Kng
For your consideration THX I direct to the section 1H38 to 1H52 the suggestion being it might be possible to 'Pole' quartz and produce a valve which I think is what the 'bad battery' bollix really is and get to something akin to Morays valve. In other words don't grow a crystal rather adapt one that is 'solid as a rock' The only bug in this rotten battery cobblers is .. its not stable . The free power is undeniable,huge and not hard to re-produce. Its just my opinion and direction but I think a/ the motors or anything to do with motors be it UFO's Matts, .. whatever 'out the window' if variable capacitance will do the same job prove it to yourself - then just accept that.
In my opinion The motor was a /first a happy accident and b/ turned into a huge 'red herring'.by folks who wished to make it so.
Kind regards Duncan

[Turion]

John Bedini

Just to throw some more gas on the fire, here is what Johb Bedini had to say about Batteries, magnetism, and charging:

"The lead acid battery is much different in its makeup. If you study the battery you will find that three currents take place in that battery to move things along. I cannot get into the currents here as it would take forever to explain it. I also have seen batteries develop a semi magnetic fields; this experiment will show that the lead acid battery can be quickly charged with the use of powerful magnets in alignment across the plates."

What EXACTLY would you be affecting with those powerful magnets that would induce a charge in the battery...

Now let me share a statement made to me made a few years ago by WallyWonka, who stated that all we need is ONE battery, not the 3BGS. This is from Him:

"I've been fortunate enough to see some remarkable amazing things over the years. I believe what you might have done in your first test is changed the battery polarity and I don't mean positive to negative."

At the time that went right over my head. I had NO IDEA what he might be talking about, but I have since learned a few things.

And then he said this:
I'll give you something here that may or may not help you with your 3 batteries. Your wires that you hook up to the battery, did you know when you connect a second wire you get something else off it? It's not the same. Something for you to play with.

If you got two wires from a power supply for instance and one is positive and the other is negative and you don't have a multimeter and both wires are black with no identifying mark, do you know how to work out which wire is the Negative? THIS IS A BIG CLUE I THINK. How would we test it without a meter?? A magnet maybe? Haven't tried it. I JUST pulled all this old stuff off my stand alone hard drives onto my computer so I can read through it again. It resides on a computer NOT connected to the internet so it cannot be hacked.


Now think about this as well, which way does the power come off those wires, which direction is it going...Up, Down, left & right?

"In terms of the wires okay when you connect a wire to a battery any battery, positive or negative. When you connect a second wire to that battery positive or negative so you got two wires now coming off say the positive terminal on a battery. You get something different off that second wire, add a third and you get something different again. You won't see it with a multimeter you need to look differently but it is different. Does this go to what John B said about more than one current in a battery???With your batteries and everything else if you have access to the plates inside have a look at what those plates are doing. You may just find those plates in there between the positive and negative GIVE you something"

He also told me that if you put two magnets together in just the right way, they will produce electricity. I may be mistaken, but I BELIEVE he posted a video of that and then almost immediately took it down. That is my MEMORY of what happened, but it has been a few years and I am lucky I can remember my name at this point.

From some phrases he used, which EXACTLY match word for word the phrases of another individual who has posted videos, I believe I know who he is, but I will keep that to myself as he wanted privacy.

Hope this helps.
Dave

[Duncan]

The crystal enigma

that we are gradually getting to common ground with theories from different skill sets is very encouraging. That your drift is (for whatever reason)is following along the same lines mine was is also encouraging thx . (although this tree thing I'd never heard of)
David thanks for your post also, without Rancour I make these observations regarding John Bedini I have a deal of respect for the man and he is certainly responsible for triggering thousands of people studying 'free energy' .. so far well and good ,but there are not thousands of homes being powered by 'The Bedini gen' are there ?
Do you really think the 'free energy circus' would ever willingly kill its own milch cow? In other words whilst not 'a pinch of salt ' I observe unambiguous statements John might make but use extreme caution with 'generalities'. It takes very little to throw a train of thought right off line .. it was done to me on your thread with regard to impulse capacitance charging as I'm sure you recall.
It has since been tested by 6 independent researchers and found to be the correct avenue. I might add that same individual .. Matt had the very unpleasant habit of back tracking and removing his own postings from threads. Of course it can be done but its an awful thing for young researchers trying to learn and revise when they find they have read hundreds of pages and .. 'The middles been ripped out of the book ' Its totally against the ethics ,reasoning and direction of 'free energy research' The others reading here may make what they will of these tempting hints about magnets and wot not .. who knows they may have a part to play . Still I have been careful to explain 'source and reasoning' for suggestions. along with very simple circuits .. to show it works 'as shown' (although I too don't pretend to understand the machinations of crystals.) I know its in there (and so do these guys)
Others on the thread have been kind enough to return the complement even though I confess sometimes above my head. IMHO that's they way to keep going … demonstrably step by step so we at least know it can be done and the probable reason why..
There are obviously very different 'skill sets' here David perhaps we see exactly the same thing from a different vista … one man's Power factor is another man's SWR how a nano physicist guy views the event .. I dread to think . This much is clear David all these dogs have all seen the same rabbit .. They are after it . slow but sure ... Merry Christmas David .. JB too

[thx1138]

This thought crossed my mind THX .. as a way I would try (if I could) I'm afraid my little workshop and test gear is flooded and destroyed.

Sorry to hear about that. We've had some bad weather here also but avoided the flooding.

I have seen that video by Thomas Trawoger before but didn’t remember why I discounted it back then - it's been a couple of years. After watching it again I now remember – after 3 hours, it doesn’t really show any results either good or bad (0.007 Volts). He said he was going to show how to tune it but never did. I was interested in it back then because of its similarity to Harold Aspden’s three plate cylindrical capacitor for tapping the aether. At that time I thought he was using the quartz sand to adjust the capacitance between the inner and middle plates. I’ll have to think about it a bit more now.

I’m pretty sure that Moray’s valves (vacuum tubes) used cathodes with radioactive materials to amplify the signal he was receiving. That would have been the source of the extra energy – charged particles from the radioactive material making their way from the cathode to the anode. If he did use radioactive materials that could also explain his trouble with the Men In Black. That was a time when nuclear weapons were new and the cold war was cranking up so the government would have paid very close attention to anyone experimenting with radioactive materials. I also suspect that was why Nikola Tesla’s papers were confiscated. The Manhattan project began in 1939, Tesla died in 1943, and the nuclear weapons were detonated over Japan in 1945. Tesla had spoken publicly of death rays and had worked with radioactive materials so the government agents would undoubtedly be interested in what was in his papers and they wouldn’t want them to fall into the hands of enemies if anything useful to nuclear weapons development was in them. J. Edgar Hoover, being the paranoiac that he was, would likely not trusted Tesla anyway since he was from Serbia. Interestingly, Donald Trump’s uncle John G. Trump was one of the scientists that examined those papers and claimed there was nothing of any importance in them. A bit later he came up with the “new” idea of capacitive parametric oscillation.

In other words don't grow a crystal rather adapt one that is 'solid as a rock'

I’m all for that if we can find the crystal structure we need which is still unknown at this point. When I said “grow the crystal” I didn’t specifically mean me growing it but more generically. If I can find what it is exactly that I’m looking for I’m certainly not averse to buying it if it’s available.

The only bug in this rotten battery cobblers is .. its not stable.

I think that’s because the battery conditioning is destroying one of the components that makes the extra energy available. It may be that that is unavoidable in a lead acid battery so it may be worthwhile to look at other devices.

Its just my opinion and direction but I think a/ the motors or anything to do with motors be it UFO's Matts, .. whatever 'out the window' if variable capacitance will do the same job prove it to yourself - then just accept that.

I haven’t factored the motors in yet but we can look at the commutator and brushes on a DC motor as a kind of rotary spark gap – they do spark when making and breaking. I’m nowhere near determining if that is part of the effect.

Variable capacitance has been shown as a kind of parametric oscillation that can produce anomalous results. The examples I’ve seen have been built using modified air gap variable capacitors attached to a motor to spin one set of the capacitor plates. In looking into barium titanate, lead titanate, and the 3BGS somewhere along the line I stumbled upon a device called a varactor which is a diode that has a capacitance that is voltage controlled. That is what got me to thinking about the battery sulfation crystals and/or lead dendrites in the battery as diodes. Pulsing the battery’s electric field inside the battery would change the capacitance of the diodes (if indeed they are varactors) and that might be a form of parametric oscillation. Of course that still leaves the problem of destroying the varactors by conditioning the battery. Bearden says don’t destroy the dipole. In this case we need a way to use it so we don’t destroy the diodes.

The interesting thing about the varactors is the higher the bias voltage the lower the capacitance and the lower the bias voltage the higher capacitance. That might explain why the motor commutator/bushes acting as a spark gap might be beneficial.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicap

In my opinion The motor was a /first a happy accident

If I remember correctly, penicillin was a “happy accident” discovery so I don’t have any problem with that.

[thx1138]

Just to throw some more gas on the fire, here is what Johb Bedini had to say about Batteries, magnetism, and charging:
"The lead acid battery is much different in its makeup. If you study the battery you will find that three currents take place in that battery to move things along. I cannot get into the currents here as it would take forever to explain it. I also have seen batteries develop a semi magnetic fields; this experiment will show that the lead acid battery can be quickly charged with the use of powerful magnets in alignment across the plates."

What EXACTLY would you be affecting with those powerful magnets that would induce a charge in the battery...

You would be affecting the electrochemical reaction. A lead acid battery has no inherent electrical charge. It only stores charge. That’s why it is called a “storage battery”. Charge movement in the battery is all about ions. Ions, having a singular charge, can be affected by a magnetic field. You can build a battery and let it sit as long as you like and it will not have any charge. It requires a “forming charge” to give it its initial charge which sets up an electrical imbalance in the chemicals which can then be extracted and refreshed by discharging and recharging the battery. The chemistry of the battery determines that optimal discharge and recharge rates. That’s why different chemical batteries have differing charging parameters. I suspect, however, that although the battery “charged” with powerful magnets would show a higher voltage between the terminals due to reduction of sulfation on the active plates the actual amount of charge stored in the electrolyte would not be substantially increased. The amount of stored charge could be indirectly measured with a hydrometer that would show the specific gravity of the electrolyte. Measuring before discharge and after magnetic charging would give a good indication if this is true.

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Now let me share a statement made to me made a few years ago by WallyWonka, who stated that all we need is ONE battery, not the 3BGS. This is from Him:

"I've been fortunate enough to see some remarkable amazing things over the years. I believe what you might have done in your first test is changed the battery polarity and I don't mean positive to negative."

At the time that went right over my head. I had NO IDEA what he might be talking about, but I have since learned a few things.

And then he said this:
I'll give you something here that may or may not help you with your 3 batteries. Your wires that you hook up to the battery, did you know when you connect a second wire you get something else off it? It's not the same. Something for you to play with.

If you got two wires from a power supply for instance and one is positive and the other is negative and you don't have a multimeter and both wires are black with no identifying mark, do you know how to work out which wire is the Negative? THIS IS A BIG CLUE I THINK. How would we test it without a meter?? A magnet maybe? Haven't tried it.

There are a couple of ways to distinguish polarity. One would be with a magnet in the form of a compass. Wind one of the wires into a coil, attach the free end of the coiled wire to a resistor to limit the current and attach the free end of the other wire to the other end of the resistor. You could then check polarity with the compass at the ends of the coil. In fact you can do it with one wire if the power supply is a battery.You wouldn’t want to do this with a bench supply. If you use stout wire and wrap it around a nail, attach one end of the wire to a terminal, and briefly touch the other end to the other terminal it will magnetize the nail. You could use your compass to then determine the polarity from the nail. The other way would be to slowly move the ends of the wires together. When they get close enough together a spark will jump between the two ends. The direction that the spark jumps between the ends of the two wires indicates the polarity.

Now think about this as well, which way does the power come off those wires, which direction is it going...Up, Down, left & right?

Right hand rule.

"In terms of the wires okay when you connect a wire to a battery any battery, positive or negative. When you connect a second wire to that battery positive or negative so you got two wires now coming off say the positive terminal on a battery. You get something different off that second wire, add a third and you get something different again. You won't see it with a multimeter you need to look differently but it is different. Does this go to what John B said about more than one current in a battery???

When we are dealing with gross matter, i.e. matter made up of many molecules, there is no absolute positive or negative. There is only more positive or more negative. The molecules contain both polarities. The chemical reactions in a battery produce electricity only when a load is attached. Otherwise, there is no impetus for ions to move within the battery. That’s not exactly true because reactions other than those that cause electricity to flow in our wires are going on inside the battery but at a much slower rate. Also keep in mind that there are not only negative and positive plates in the battery but an electrolyte also. The function of the electrolyte is to provide ions to move charge and a medium through which ion exchange can be accomplished. The ion transfer is bidirectional. The ions move one way when discharging and the opposite way when charging via the electrochemical reaction. Or the directions can be reversed by reverse charging a battery that has been completely drained as in the 3BGS “bad battery”.

To explain the multiple wire scenario would require more information: are the two wires different materials connected to the same terminal, are they connected to either nothing or the same device at the same point or to separate devices, are the wires the same or different sizes, and/or is one or more of them connected to ground? The conundrum doesn’t state enough info to determine what is going on but I suspect it is related to the fact that materials are bipolar – they contain both charges. If one wire is connected to something that is removing negative charges from the pole that would leave an abundance of positive charges to react with the second or third wire depending on what they are connected to or vice versa.

With your batteries and everything else if you have access to the plates inside have a look at what those plates are doing. You may just find those plates in there between the positive and negative GIVE you something"

When talking about lead acid batteries it is imperative to specify the type of lead acid battery being discussed. The “plates” between the negative and positive plates are known as separators. In general the separator’s function is to retard or prevent the electrochemical ion transfer reaction until electrically activated. There are two general types of batteries, SLI (Starting, Ignition, Lighting) and Deep Cycle. They use different materials and geometries. There are also three subcategories, Wet Cell, Gel Cell, and Absorbed Glass Mat (AGM). Different materials have been used over time as lead acid battery technology has developed and new materials have become available and properties of those materials have been discovered to be advantageous.

Looking at the construction of lead acid batteries leads right into fractal geometry (the porous nature of some of the materials) and crystals (dendrites created during discharge). Barium is also a part of modern batteries. Barium sulfate is used as the seed to grow the dendrites.
Fractal geometry – roughness, i.e. sponge lead and dendrites in a battery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay8OMOsf6AQ

Lead Acid Battery Construction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E...ion_of_battery

He also told me that if you put two magnets together in just the right way, they will produce electricity. I may be mistaken, but I BELIEVE he posted a video of that and then almost immediately took it down. That is my MEMORY of what happened, but it has been a few years and I am lucky I can remember my name at this point.

I suspect he was speaking of three magnetic poles which would be a bucking coil system. It could be done with two magnets if you used a toroidal core with a gap in it. One pole of a magnet would fill the gap such that both sides of the gap were the same polarity. 180 degrees around the toroid would be a magnet touching the torroid that was the opposite polarity but there would be no gap in the toroid at that location. If the polarity of the magnet in the gap were N then you would have a N-S-N configuration. That’s very similar to the Hendershot Magnatronic generator and Floyd Sweet’s Space Quantum Modulator that was the precursor to his Vacuum Triode Amplifier. Interestingly, both of Sweet’s devices used barium ferrites. That has me wondering if the armature in the Hendershot device was unmagnetized barium ferrite. I’m not sure that’s possible though. The armature in the Hendershot device appears to be six inches long, one and three quarters inches wide, and one eighth to three sixteenths of an inch thick. It seems to me that a block of barium ferrite that thin would break very easily. Does anyone with experience working with barium ferrite cores or magnets have an opinion about that?

[Turion]

two magnets

As I recall, when Wally put the two magnets together, he moved very, very slowly and was able to push two neos together. I do not remember if it was two positives or two negatives, and at this point I'm not even really sure that was a real incident. Probably shouldn't have brought it up.

Dave