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  • #76
    citfta

    Your contributions relative to ARRL information has been noted and most assuredly holds a measure of potential.

    Do you ride a horse to work?

    <electrostatic potentials and the subsequent release of kinetic Radiant Energy from the omnipresent ether>

    Of all the great inventions and discoveries of Nikola Tesla, nothing stood out with greater potential benefit to the whole of humanity than his discovery of Radiant Energy in 1889. The series of observations that led to the discovery of Radiant energy initially grew out of experiments that Tesla had conducted in an attempt to duplicate the results that Heinrich Hertz had claimed to achieve in affirming the existence of electromagnetic waves, the discovery of which Hertz announced in 1887. While replicating Hertz’s experiments, Tesla experimented with violently abrupt DC electrical discharges and discovered a new force in the process. Only after conducting exhaustive experimental trials for the next three years, did Tesla announce this stupendous discovery in a paper published in December, 1892, entitled “The Dissipation of Electricity”. Incredibly, most academicians of the day completely missed the mark in understanding the true significance of his paper. Noted scientists such as Sir Oliver Lodge, mistakenly thought that Tesla was referring to high frequency AC electricity in the operation of the Tesla Transformer, a huge blunder that remains to this day in the misnaming and misinterpretation of the Tesla Coil. The transformer that Tesla referred to in the 1892 paper did not operate on magnetic/electric field induction created by alternating currents. It operated in an entirely new domain of physics based on abrupt discharges of electrostatic potentials and the subsequent release of kinetic Radiant Energy from the omnipresent ether. Tesla was now operating under entirely new rules which he referred to as “dynamic” electro-static forces and had, by now, completely abandoned any further interest in the AC waveform. The genesis of the Lodge misunderstanding, however, began a few years earlier with the publication of certain mathematical formulas by a brilliant Scotsman named James Clerk Maxwell.
    Spark Gap... Abrupt Discharges = Radiant Energy (Ambient)



    Radiant Energy:Unraveling Tesla’s Greatest Secret by Ken Adachi (June 1, 2001)
    Last edited by DavidE; 06-12-2015, 03:22 PM.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by citfta View Post
      Where did the idea come from that there was something special about either of these circuits? Does anyone know?
      Good question. Personally I can only conclude that it's a result of what was unwittingly began by Peter Lindemann concerning the radiant energy lecture/video he made. That has spawned all kinds of stuff that it's now impossible to undo.

      Then "youtube experts" take it further and speak as an authority, which thousands of people watch to get educated. And so it becomes the gospel.

      Everything is explained by "radiant energy", so we can start the club. But unfortunately, no one knows what "radiant energy" is. So the explanation that satisfies the mind is a non-explanation.

      P.S. radiant energy exists. If it didn't then the sun would be ineffective and your house central heating system would be pointless. Where there is radiation, energy is radiated, and so it is radiant energy. Radiant energy toasts your bread in the morning.

      ... But I'm guessing that's not what you meant.
      http://www.teslascientific.com/

      "Knowledge is cosmic. It does not evolve or unfold in man. Man unfolds to an awareness of it. He gradually discovers it." - Walter Russell

      "Once men died for Truth, but now Truth dies at the hands of men." - Manly P. Hall

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      • #78
        Per Bedini

        RADIANT ELECTRICITY

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        • #79
          dR-Green

          Tesla started this in 1889. I am surprised that you are not willing to accept the broader interpretation of his discovery.

          <just finishing putting peanut butter on my toast>

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          • #80
            Tesla started some research. But he never claimed that his single wire or wireless transmission devices produced free energy, or radiant energy for that matter.

            Tesla's use and definition of radiant energy is discussed in the radiant energy patent. Enough to reproduce it and get the job done.

            U.S. Patent 685,957 - Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant Energy | Tesla Universe



            To expand on Carroll's question, who is it that thought they knew better than Tesla and decided it would be a good idea to merge all these different things into one mush of (mis)understanding?

            We have a boat with wheels because some bright spark didn't realise that the boat and the car were meant to be two different kinds of vehicles. The propeller prevents it from working on land, and the doors are below the water line.
            http://www.teslascientific.com/

            "Knowledge is cosmic. It does not evolve or unfold in man. Man unfolds to an awareness of it. He gradually discovers it." - Walter Russell

            "Once men died for Truth, but now Truth dies at the hands of men." - Manly P. Hall

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            • #81
              dR-Green

              Who said anything about Free Energy? There are always costs.

              Look at the schematics - both the Tesla Coil and Hairpin circuit ARE SWP SYSTEMS. If you say not, then where are the thousands of volts of potential coming from?

              Have you ever reviewed Don Smith's Tesla Coil with collection circuits?

              Don't blame Peter - he is innocent.

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              • #82
                Spark Gap... Abrupt Discharges = Radiant Energy (Ambient)


                From that point there are countless variations, but the results are mostly the same.

                Don't accept this claim, but do research the inventors that you dare not mention. Or not.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by DavidE View Post
                  dR-Green

                  Who said anything about Free Energy? There are always costs.

                  Look at the schematics - both the Tesla Coil and Hairpin circuit ARE SWP SYSTEMS. If you say not, then where are the thousands of volts of potential coming from?

                  Have you ever reviewed Don Smith's Tesla Coil with collection circuits?

                  Don't blame Peter - he is innocent.
                  Well, the stout copper bars experiment is a loop rather than a single transmission line. You could do away with all that and simply use portions G, S and P. That essentially makes up a Tesla coil which is all you need to produce the single wire effects.

                  The so-called "hairpin" portion can be considered a load across the Tesla coil secondary. It's a closed loop when the far end is closed or a bulb connects both sides.

                  I'm not sure what the thousands of volts potential has to do with it being one wire or not.

                  I'm not blaming Peter as such. If you give someone a brick you're not responsible for what they build with it. He could never have envisioned which way it would go. I've explained something to people and they immediately think I mean something else or apply their own explanation to twist it around to match what they already had in mind. You can cause a big mess no matter how good your intentions may be.
                  http://www.teslascientific.com/

                  "Knowledge is cosmic. It does not evolve or unfold in man. Man unfolds to an awareness of it. He gradually discovers it." - Walter Russell

                  "Once men died for Truth, but now Truth dies at the hands of men." - Manly P. Hall

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                  • #84
                    So what did Peter say anyway?

                    Radiant Energy

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                    • #85
                      dR-Green

                      "The so-called "hairpin" portion can be considered a load across the Tesla coil secondary. It's a closed loop when the far end is closed or a bulb connects both sides."
                      Not to parse, but this tells me that you personally have not done much work with this circuit. Leave off the shunt, either side individually will power a load.
                      Last edited by DavidE; 06-12-2015, 05:32 PM.

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                      • #86
                        He did not say that single wire transmission = radiant energy or ambient energy or gaining energy from the environment or whatever the case may be.

                        I think you will find that in fact the light output measured in watts is less than the power you input to run the circuit. No amount of Tesla coiling or spark gaps or increasing the voltage or number of turns or anything else will change this.
                        http://www.teslascientific.com/

                        "Knowledge is cosmic. It does not evolve or unfold in man. Man unfolds to an awareness of it. He gradually discovers it." - Walter Russell

                        "Once men died for Truth, but now Truth dies at the hands of men." - Manly P. Hall

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by DavidE View Post
                          dR-Green

                          "The so-called "hairpin" portion can be considered a load across the Tesla coil secondary. It's a closed loop when the far end is closed or a bulb connects both sides."

                          Not to parse, but this tells me that you personally have not done much work with this circuit. Leave off the shunt, either side individually will power a load.
                          Originally posted by dR-Green View Post
                          use portions G, S and P. That essentially makes up a Tesla coil which is all you need to produce the single wire effects.
                          ..........
                          http://www.teslascientific.com/

                          "Knowledge is cosmic. It does not evolve or unfold in man. Man unfolds to an awareness of it. He gradually discovers it." - Walter Russell

                          "Once men died for Truth, but now Truth dies at the hands of men." - Manly P. Hall

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by dR-Green View Post
                            I'm talking about single wire transmission, and I believe I've already said the radiant energy patent is based on receiving energy from the environment. Also that you may use natural activities to your advantage.

                            There is nothing to suggest that energy comes from the environment to cause a load to work with one wire.

                            From Colorado Springs Notes























                            Capacitors are used in high pass filters and for DC blocking because DC can't pass through the open circuit. But AC quite readily passes through. Bigger capacitance allows lower frequencies through. Cutoff frequency increases as capacitance is decreased. You hear it in effect every time you listen to music, as it's all filtered and EQ'd. That's how the electronic audio equipment works.

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-pass_filter

                            1/4 wave resonance (for example) is possible because a standing (quarter) wave distributes itself along the length of the conductor. There are different potentials at every given point along the conductor despite the fact in your mind you think it's a short circuit or it should all be at the same potential. It's not at the same potential 5cm down the line because the potential is distributed according to the standing wave. That's also why sparks appear at the top of a Tesla coil and not along the whole thing. There's a potential gradient from ground potential to the terminal potential.



                            The picture illustrates in a neon tube what occurs on the stout copper bars or supposed hairpin circuit. Light and dark, or energised regions, appear according to the driving wavelength/frequency. Connect your bulb to the high potential point and it will light. Connect your bulb to the low potential point, and it won't.

                            Tesla explains it all very well in his article on the experiment.
                            Within the parameters of the transmission system very conservative models
                            where derived.

                            In Tesla's study of how to convey power through the atmosphere Tesla mentions dielectric charecteristics of gases being insulator prone unless rarified or under terrific electrical stress.
                            He does describe the (ambient) yet unobservable charecteristics under such conditions.
                            looking at patent line 85 of page 1.
                            http://www.nuenergy.org/uploads/tesla/US645576.pdf

                            Study of spider webs Brazil where water droplets form on the silk it is now understood that
                            such drops have significant NET charge.

                            Nasa study of water droplets around a knitting needle in zero G show analogous
                            properties easily misundertood but simular to electromagnetic but is a charge field.
                            Orbits and static electrical forces around dielectrics in natural low density enviroment.
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNpXOb0xl6o
                            Last edited by mikrovolt; 06-12-2015, 05:35 PM.

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                            • #89
                              dR-Green

                              I think you will find that in fact the light output measured in watts is less than the power you input to run the circuit. No amount of Tesla coiling or spark gaps or increasing the voltage or number of turns or anything else will change this.
                              Pulsed DC and its link with the environment is the new black. Don't agree with me, just write a little note somewhere very secret... and watch the world change. I won't have to do or say anything more.


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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by mikrovolt View Post
                                In Tesla's study of how to convey power through the atmosphere Tesla mentions dielectric charecteristics of gases being insulator prone unless rarified or under terrific electrical stress.
                                He does describe the (ambient) yet unobservable charecteristics under such conditions.
                                looking at patent line 85 of page 1.
                                http://www.nuenergy.org/uploads/tesla/US645576.pdf
                                That's the beginnings of radio as it's known today. The system described however uses the earth as the transmission medium.

                                Originally posted by Nikola Tesla
                                "This mode of conveying electrical energy to a distance is not 'wireless' in the popular sense, but a transmission through a conductor, and one which is incomparably more perfect than any artificial one... Any apparatus, then, which can be operated through one or more wires, at distances obviously limited, can likewise be worked without artificial conductors, and with the same facility and precision, at distances without limit other than that imposed by the physical dimensions of the globe.
                                "The Future of the Wireless Art" by Nikola Tesla
                                http://www.teslascientific.com/

                                "Knowledge is cosmic. It does not evolve or unfold in man. Man unfolds to an awareness of it. He gradually discovers it." - Walter Russell

                                "Once men died for Truth, but now Truth dies at the hands of men." - Manly P. Hall

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