Single Wire Power - A Search for Ambient Power to do Wwork

[dR-Green]

After studying Tesla for 4 1/2 years I don't recall Tesla every using the term "longitudinal wave" although I do remember one paper or lecture he did in which he called what he was doing similar to sound waves. I suspect that got translated to "longitudinal waves" but that misses one very important feature of sound waves - they are unidirectional. Although the air is oscillating in its density the waves only travel away from the source.

Don't forget that sound reflects off objects or surfaces in the environment back to the source, that's how acoustic instruments that implement a resonating chamber of some sort can be fairly loud. The basic principle of utilising reflected waves for constructive interference is the same as a 1/4 wave resonant antenna or coil.

Acoustic resonance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sonar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All waves behave alike.

AT&T Archives: Similiarities of Wave Behavior (Bonus Edition) - YouTube

[Duncan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxhE...ature=youtu.be

[thx1138]

I think the point is that we can get caught up in minutiae and end up going in circles, instead of moving forward.

Yes, indeed, and the personal bickering gets overwhelmingly tedious. My post was a feeble attempt to interject a bit of humor into the thread.

What I can take away from the last page or so is an affirmation that we indeed live in an electric universe, and that no electrical system is a completely closed system, while some are deliberately designed as open systems.

IMO, trying to call it an "electric universe" distracts from the fact that everything is embedded in electricity, magnetism, and gravity. I don't think any of them can be isolated and thinking of them as isolated phenomena is part of the problem.

There's a vast reservoir that can be tapped with the right wave forms and coil arrangements. This reservoir will supply a circuit, particularly one using a lead acid battery, with a huge amount of charge which does not behave like ordinary voltage (or current), and is difficult to measure.

Now, keeping in mind that the aether's response to an open system produces a different kind of charge than that which is conventionally measured, we need different terminology to account for its movements in supplying a system.

One of our contributors has talked about charge density and its relationship with voltage in a pulsing system. I'll defer to him to perhaps say something when he's ready, or if he prefers, I'll take a crack at it from our exchanges.

Bob

IMO, energy density is, in a nutshell, the entire problem with extracting energy from the environment regardless of the method. There are various ways to accomplish that but the energy accumulates slowly due to its low density and obviously can't be consumed faster than it is accumulated and have a self sustaining system at the same time.

The earth's water cycle is a good example. The sun supplies the energy to evaporate water which rises, winds blow the water vapor over land, the water vapor condenses and falls to earth, rivers carry the water back to the ocean, and the cycle repeats endlessly.

We build a damn or use a natural waterfall like Niagara Falls to drive turbines to do work. In essence, we are harnessing a tiny part of energy of the entire planet's water cycle. The problem is not only that it requires the entire planet to function because the energy density is so low but also requires the energy from the sun as the power source. That is a gigantic system. We might think of that as an open system but it's not. The earth's magnetic field and Van Allen belts act as an enclosure to mostly protect us from the solar wind and the sun's magnetic field that extends past the Kuiper Belt acts in a similar manner to protect the solar system from the radiation pouring in from galactic sources. In fact, without those outer shells of protection we wouldn't exist.

Similarly, the planet's magnetic field easily swings a compass needle but won't do much more work than that on its own. Ditto the earth's atmospheric electrical field - yes, it will produce a very strong lightning bolt but only after moving enormous amounts of charge for hours to produce a momentary pulse. From everything I've seen so far about the aether the same problem applies. There is an absolutely gigantic amount of energy there but its density is low.

So if we want to harness any of those we need to learn to build the proper "dams" and "turbines". That's not possible if we don't know what it is we are damming.

I'm still unconvinced that there is some mysterious energy that we don't know how to measure or even detect. What might convince me is some observation of natural phenomena with no man made devices involved which exhibits the presence of this energy like atmospheric charge exhibits lightning, or magnetism exhibits the attraction and repulsion like lodestone, or gravity exhibits the falling stone.

IMO, without that we are chasing a chimera.

[thx1138]

Don't forget that sound reflects off objects or surfaces in the environment back to the source, that's how acoustic instruments that implement a resonating chamber of some sort can be fairly loud. The basic principle of utilising reflected waves for constructive interference is the same as a 1/4 wave resonant antenna or coil.

Acoustic resonance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sonar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



AT&T Archives: Similiarities of Wave Behavior (Bonus Edition) - YouTube

Yes, a sound wave can reflect but it can also deflect or be absorbed. Once reflected or deflected it is still a unidirectional wave. It doesn't oscillate around a central point like a pendulum.

[thx1138]

Batteries that have been left to sulphate and crystallize for years. It should also have become apparent that some folks (however rarely) managed to loop their machines. (IMHO the resilience of the crystal structure is the main component here.) Any circuit or device that rejuvenates lead acid batteries as opposed to charging them then requires scrutiny … Its doing something very special and unexplained its also a step along the road to 'free energy'.

I've been toying with the idea of how to apply fractal geometry to power generation for some time. The idea behind fractals is self-similarity rather than symmetry. Similarity means the same but not identical while symmetry means exactly the same. The slight differences in similar objects is what allows self-similar structures to build upon themselves and grow at the same time. It’s the iterative, recursive feedback process that allows the self-similar structures to self replicate in a structure where each part is like the whole but smaller or larger depending on perspective. In a sense we can look at subatomic particles, atoms, molecules, planet/moon systems, solar systems, and galaxies as iterative, self similar constructs.

In most all videos you'll see about fractal geometry you'll see discussion of how it describes living organisms. Looking more closely we see they are talking about the structures of energy flow in living organism - veins in a leaf being similar to the branches, circulatory systems in animals, and neural networks in the brain.

I noted in an earlier post that man made systems are easily distinguishable from nature because we typically use Euclidean geometry and that fractal geometry might be a key to unlocking the natural energy system. That got me asking, OK how do we grow a power system rather than build it? What can we grow that can produce power?

The part of your post highlighted above just triggered a thought. What part of that system can we grow? The answer is crystals. Can we grow a crystal that is both piezoelectric which creates electricity by deformation and which deforms in the presence of electricity or something derived from electricity? Something along the lines of using a small amount of electricity to generate a deformation that creates a non-linear response to generate more electricity than caused the deformation. Maybe some type of piezoelectric crystal that deforms in the presence of a magnetic field that is created by an electromagnet which uses only part of the electricity generated by the deformation?

Are there any crystallographers or materials science experts here?

[thx1138]

Batteries that have been left to sulphate and crystallize for years. It should also have become apparent that some folks (however rarely) managed to loop their machines. (IMHO the resilience of the crystal structure is the main component here.) Any circuit or device that rejuvenates lead acid batteries as opposed to charging them then requires scrutiny … Its doing something very special and unexplained its also a step along the road to 'free energy'.

Following up on the idea of growing a power system, I was researching piezoelectric materials and ran across Barium Titanate (BaTiO3)which is also ferroelectric. I was hoping that "ferroelectric" meant it could be stressed magnetically but the "ferro" prefix has nothing to do with iron or magnetism.
Barium titanate

But I also noted one of the materials listed under ferroelectric materials is lead titanate (PbTiO3). That got me thinking about the comment quoted above but titanium is nowhere used in the production of lead acid batteries. Although I guess it might be an impurity in the manufacturing process, I did not see any references to that.
Ferroelectricity
Lead titanate

But there is a source of titanium that may make its way into a lead acid battery. Titanium dioxide (TiO2) is used to remove arsenic from drinking water so it's possible that putting tap water into a lead acid battery could introduce the ingredients necessary to make PbTiO3. Many, many water wells have arsenic in them but it is usually at such a low level that it is not harmful. It's very common in areas of hard rock mining. The regulators, however, take no chances so they set the standards far tighter than necessary. My water district had to shut down an existing well and drill a new one when the regulators tightened the arsenic limits. The upshot is that using titanium dioxide to remove arsenic in drinking water may be widespread and could make its way into a lead acid battery.
Nanoscale Titanium Dioxide in Water Treatment

Ferroelectricity is described as "a property of certain materials that have a spontaneous electric polarization that can be reversed by the application of an external electric field."
That is exactly what would happen when hitting a battery with a series of electrical impulses.

Further: "When most materials are polarized, the polarization induced, P, is almost exactly proportional to the applied external electric field E; so the polarization is a linear function. This is called dielectric polarization (see figure). Some materials, known as paraelectric materials, show a more enhanced nonlinear polarization (see figure). The electric permittivity, corresponding to the slope of the polarization curve, is not constant as in dielectrics but is a function of the external electric field.

In addition to being nonlinear, ferroelectric materials demonstrate a spontaneous nonzero polarization (after entrainment, see figure) even when the applied field E is zero. The distinguishing feature of ferroelectrics is that the spontaneous polarization can be reversed by a suitably strong applied electric field in the opposite direction; the polarization is therefore dependent not only on the current electric field but also on its history, yielding a hysteresis loop. They are called ferroelectrics by analogy to ferromagnetic materials, which have spontaneous magnetization and exhibit similar hysteresis loops."
The hysteresis loop would make the frequency of the impulses important.

Can we use the ferroelectric properties of PbTiO3 by intentionally introducing TiO2 into lead acid batteries? What is needed to transform Pb + TiO2 into PbTiO3? Possibly add a third plate of PbTiO3 or a membrane coated in it?

If we are going to pursue this we should probably start a new thread.

[Bob Smith]

Thx, I have been thinking about many of the things you mention, in connection with the Single Wire Power setup. It seems to me that a catalytic layer is important in lead acid batteries - on LAB plates in the form of crystal coating - (and in some cases, certain capacitors) to facilitate the entry of charge into a circuit from the aether.

I think Norman Wootan's Magnetic Resonance Amplifier draws together a lot of what you've been saying: http://rexresearch.com/mra/1mra.htm

The one take-away from Wootan's MRA is the idea of fractal geometry and how its ratios (PHI) need to be present in windings in order to bring about the apparatus' OU output.

I believe we can use very simple circuits to achieve similar effects with lead acid batteries and properly configured windings, and of course, the proper frequency.

Bob

[thx1138]

Thx, I have been thinking about many of the things you mention, in connection with the Single Wire Power setup. It seems to me that a catalytic layer is important in lead acid batteries - on LAB plates in the form of crystal coating - (and in some cases, certain capacitors) to facilitate the entry of charge into a circuit from the aether.

I think Norman Wootan's Magnetic Resonance Amplifier draws together a lot of what you've been saying: Joel McClain & Norman Wootan: Magnetic Resonance Amplifier ~ Collected Papers

The one take-away from Wootan's MRA is the idea of fractal geometry and how its ratios (PHI) need to be present in windings in order to bring about the apparatus' OU output.

I believe we can use very simple circuits to achieve similar effects with lead acid batteries and properly configured windings, and of course, the proper frequency.

Bob

When researching the possible source of PbTiO3 in a lead acid battery I found interesting info about using TiO2 to purify water. It is used as a catalyst activated by sunlight to purify water and the TiO2 is not consumed in the process.

Thank you very much for that link. I see links to various other projects there like Floyd Sweet's SQA and VTA and Lester Hendershot's Magnatronic Generator. I've been working on a Hendershot Magnatronic for some time now but haven't produced anything useful yet. There are definitely links between Sweet's SQA and the Magnatronic and I suspect this MRA is also relevant to both.

Thinking along the lines of PHI I've come to think that basing our systems on Pi is an impediment and that Pi will only produce closed systems (circles) while PHI can produce open systems. The problem I'm having with the idea is that every time I turn around I find myself using what I'm used to - Pi. It's hard to overcome a lifetime of ingrained thinking. I have produced some very interesting 3D graphic animations using PHI and fractal Julia sets. It may represent the dielectric plane (the outer figure) and the double vortex of magnetism (the inner figure). See attachment. It has to be viewed with a web browser or something that supports animated GIFs. The offset from the vertical of the inner figure nearly matches the earth's precession angle and the duality shown in the outer figure may represent dielectric polarities.

I saw an article on "growing" power systems this morning that caught my attention.
Beautiful circuits: Dawn of the cyborg rose

It will take me some time to digest the Magnetic Resonance Amplifier. Thanks again for the link.

[mikrovolt]

Both circular and linear are likely involved. In self organising systems this may be a non-linear wave like movement or seed in the aether. While longitudinal is unidirectional
It is possible to have two longitudinal waves traveling opposite directions and having opposite polarity.

The torus cluster structure moving abruptly in a straight line may form an aetheric structure better suited to growing a larger open pathway. There is the Heaviside component.
In solid liquid gas and plasma there are similarities in anomalous energy. Pathways using natural acceleration earth' s magnetic field without the circular dynamo would be a great advantage.

[Bob Smith]

While longitudinal is unidirectional
It is possible to have two longitudinal waves traveling opposite directions and having opposite polarity.

Do you think this might manifest as a gradient in potential? That is, there might be enough of a charge gradient between point A and point B to actually power a system?

Pathways using natural acceleration earth' s magnetic field without the circular dynamo would be a great advantage.

I am inclined to believe that a single wire power setup with a lead acid battery (not the Tesla coil) provides one such pathway. The resonant oscillations within the SWP circuit (including the battery) disturb the inertial/gravitational lines of force between the circuit and aether, causing the aether to respond with an outpouring of charge into the circuit. Is this charge coming in from the aether in fact in the form of longitudinal impulses?
Bob

[Duncan]

wow you guys are skipping along .. I'm non to hot on chemistry so I'm trying to digest ... this I will add to the pot for no good reason other that it seems to fit here . you will be aware I'm sure of the phrase that came into being regarding the SSGs (and other derivatives) where the batteries were said to be 'conditioned' It is so, and the batteries do act differently. Cutting open a battery in this (conditioned) state and comparing to a similar battery that has been cycled and charged by normal means indicates a very different colour material coating the plates. slate grey, I recall this being mentioned by John B in one of his video's and checked myself .. tis so. Its an altered substance in some way ... anyway back to the reading

[Duncan]

.. from the past .. for consideration

thx .. I do try to find glaring anomalies and adapt them to my mission sometimes having little idea why the anomaly exists. I'm going to relate one such . It was explained to me by fellow member David Bowling whilst I stayed with him for a short while, Its actually the genesis of his 3BGS. Almost a happy accident! the events unfolded for David pretty much as I explain (given some poetic licence for bad memory and emphasises) However I'm sure with a polite ask David would cross the T's and dot the I's … David had a pretty big Lead acid battery sitting under a bench at the back of his work shop, forgotten, unloved and uncharged for a long (far to long ) time.The term
'Battery' then is being a bit elastic with the truth, this thing is simply a box of sulphated crystals that look a bit like a Battery . The battery has with no trouble what so ever reached the stage the physics text books describe as > approaching infinite impedance >
quite pointless trying to charge such a thing by any normal means and obviously totally pointless putting a thing of 'infinite impedance' in any sort of circuit … No usful current can possibly flow.
David also had a half decent LA Battery to hand and a car windscreen motor ever the optimist and just tinkering David threw this circuit together... Which of course didn't work .. How could it possibly?
Nothing complex here …( Is there?)



In disgust David abandoned the junk and headed for the Coffee jar. In a careless off hand move which would later have huge ramifications David didn't bother to disconnect .. just abandoned it. (been there, done that!)
A few hours later noises in the empty house ! .. Burglars ? No. The motor has started itself … It was going faster and faster any attempts to stop it physically was resisted, – It just went faster still
a few tests showed the half decent 'charged battery' was now 'fully charged' and full of pep. David’s father lives 'off grid' and in due course David presented this scrap to him. They connected it to the huge bank of batteries used on the homestead … Two flicks of a lambs tail and they were all fully charged (rejuvenated?) too!
Well David’s 3BGS has run for many pages and I certainly don't want to rake old coals. however I can't help but feel that the crystal structure inside what the researchers referred to as 'the bad battery' was the key (and alas the stumbling block) .They'd keep restoring themselves and revert to a perfectly good lead acid Batteries The effect gone , Will O' the wisp. IMHO Somewhere in that Crystal business a big portion of this enigma is answered. It was really the scale of 'free energy' which became available which is difficult to convey .. almost frightening

[Bob Smith]

Thanks Duncan. I've posted this reference elsewhere, but I think it's worth posting again--

Yes, and Patrick Kelly describes this as a "catalytic layer":

Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices - Chapter 10


Since the material being used is stainless steel, the catalytic layer consists (mostly) out of Chromium, Nickel and Iron oxides. The process is very similar to this "electropolishing" process and creates similar oxides, but the "official" electropolishing process has been optimized for the specific goal of minimizing Iron and Nickel contaminations by means of choice of chemicals and controlled process parameters such as temperature and input current and voltage.

In other words: Boyce process is essentially a "poor mans" electropolishing process.

I'm inclined to believe that the sulfation on battery plates constitutes a catalytic layer that helps the battery draw in ambient/aetheric charge.
Bob

link: http://www.energeticforum.com/238947-post3.html

[wantomake]

thx .. I do try to find glaring anomalies and adapt them to my mission sometimes having little idea why the anomaly exists. I'm going to relate one such . It was explained to me by fellow member David Bowling whilst I stayed with him for a short while, Its actually the genesis of his 3BGS. Almost a happy accident! the events unfolded for David pretty much as I explain (given some poetic licence for bad memory and emphasises) However I'm sure with a polite ask David would cross the T's and dot the I's … David had a pretty big Lead acid battery sitting under a bench at the back of his work shop, forgotten, unloved and uncharged for a long (far to long ) time.The term
'Battery' then is being a bit elastic with the truth, this thing is simply a box of sulphated crystals that look a bit like a Battery . The battery has with no trouble what so ever reached the stage the physics text books describe as > approaching infinite impedance >
quite pointless trying to charge such a thing by any normal means and obviously totally pointless putting a thing of 'infinite impedance' in any sort of circuit … No usful current can possibly flow.
David also had a half decent LA Battery to hand and a car windscreen motor ever the optimist and just tinkering David threw this circuit together... Which of course didn't work .. How could it possibly?
Nothing complex here …( Is there?)



In disgust David abandoned the junk and headed for the Coffee jar. In a careless off hand move which would later have huge ramifications David didn't bother to disconnect .. just abandoned it. (been there, done that!)
A few hours later noises in the empty house ! .. Burglars ? No. The motor has started itself … It was going faster and faster any attempts to stop it physically was resisted, – It just went faster still
a few tests showed the half decent 'charged battery' was now 'fully charged' and full of pep. David’s father lives 'off grid' and in due course David presented this scrap to him. They connected it to the huge bank of batteries used on the homestead … Two flicks of a lambs tail and they were all fully charged (rejuvenated?) too!
Well David’s 3BGS has run for many pages and I certainly don't want to rake old coals. however I can't help but feel that the crystal structure inside what the researchers referred to as 'the bad battery' was the key (and alas the stumbling block) .They'd keep restoring themselves and revert to a perfectly good lead acid Batteries The effect gone , Will O' the wisp. IMHO Somewhere in that Crystal business a big portion of this enigma is answered. It was really the scale of 'free energy' which became available which is difficult to convey .. almost frightening

Hey Duncan,
Yes I had a great time with the 3BGS setup and had that magic moment that I captured on video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwk_bFXqiac

I tried for months to grow those mysterious "crystals" in other dead LAB or in jars with stainless steel plates, but had no success. Even left a dead battery charging and discharging for months as I traveled to Japan.

Would be great to understand and try more ways to grow some crystals to draw from the aetheric/ambient as Bob Smith said.

wantomake

[Duncan]

To many clues in this room?

Hi wantomake – nice to read you again .. and like so many folks through those many 3BGS pages you have seen enough to convince. Very annoying that it took so many variable's for extra energy to be introduced.
I saw battery terminals frost up at one stage which dropped my jaw. The number of variables and the fact that we seek something about which we have no rules makes things even more frustrating.
There is a wider Vista on this thread and many other scenario's are being considered. I certainly don't want to go down any .. different type of motor .. or any of the other endless worm holes again. (if it can be helped)
The approach Bob seems to have is to inspect systems known to work (as for example water fracture)
and try to find common mathematical /scientific ground.
It's actually refreshing to be on a thread where there is little argument regarding 'If' but a commitment rather to the 'how' and 'why'. You could I guess view the 3BGS as 'safe cracking' when we actually need and want the keys!
Crystals play a part , ground connection plays a part, switching speed plays a part, series resonance plays a part so does space and dielectric, That's common to many systems .... But part of what?
difficult enough to guess and try and try again wantomake (as we did) but In the context of what Bob considers here Its simply another 'hat in the ring'. Tie it to 'cavitation' tie it to 'water fracture' tie it to an accepted crystal frequency response (or anything else for that matter) and we can inch or even leap forward.
What we write and consider here is food for thought and at some stage someone will make what may seem like an abstract connection. The jigsaw will advance. IMHO to replace the 'chance ' with engineering is the ambition. Kindest Regards Duncan