Enhanced Heat Exchange Electric Heater

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, here is my test bed for now, will be looking into the UV lights also.



peace love light

[interdesign21]

hello
do not want to divert the thread here, so please, bear with me with this little rant,
I vaguely remember to have read about a theory of a device which consisted of a UV tube
with a couple of aluminum sheets wrapped around it as a capacitor. Any of you may expand
this info ?, You may PM me, so it doesn't disturb here.Thanks

SkyWatcher:
In your setup, do you plan to get your box thermally isolated inside, or may be make a metallic box
as to be more heat-conductive ?
Or may be covering the inside with mirrors could reflect those frequencies otherwise absorbed (and lost) by the wooden walls ?

regards
Alvaro

[EMCSQ]

@Alvaro

The device is fairly simple to replicate,so we surely would like to know the theory you read about.

Thanks in advance.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, hi interdesign, do you have any more information about the capacitor tube.
The heater box already has a couple inside walls lined with aluminum roof flashing, but plan on lining all of them.
Only the top wood board gets warm, but not hot, though the aluminum lining will relieve that.
I think the heat absorbing spray he used was just a high temp black paint that absorbed the frequency range used, like solar thermal collectors.
peace love light

edit: also, the light from the bulb can be seen spilling from the holes in the aluminum cylinder, this will be remedied by the accordion, aluminum flower wrapped around the bulb, so as to catch all infrared frequencies

[wayne.ct]

Conversion

1 BTU/hr = 0.29307107 W

[wayne.ct]

Let the fireworks begin ...

Hi folks, was looking up a patent, then stumbled upon this particular incandescent electric heater patent.
The device is claimed to produce 11,000 btu's from 600 watts input.
I've built a small model using a regular 100 watt light bulb,

11,000 btu = 3223.78177 watts.

600 watts input and 3220 watts output is over unity on an hour by hour and second by second basis. Have no doubt that this is overunity and free energy. AND remember this is the "claim of the inventor" and needs to be replicated and measured using current standard technology. Also, don't kill the messenger.

[interdesign21]

@all
that´s the point, I cannot remember where or when I saw it. (it was in a forum for sure)
The two foils were used to collect the emission from the tube.

@SkyWatcher: Again I apologize for the diversion

[dragon]

It appears UV and infrared have been mildly abused through the patent. His test unit stating 11,000 BTU at 600 watts used quartz infrared tubes... attached below.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi dragon, thanks for looking closer at the patent and sharing the information.
Well then, that settles that.
The design of the heat exchanger, the insulation and the heat absorbing black paint are the most likely reasons for the improved efficiency.
I just painted the inside and outside of the aluminum cylinder with 2000 degree flat black paint, to see if it enhances performance or efficiency in any way.
peace love light

[dragon]

The open coil heaters with a fan blowing across the coils requires pure current to operate. With the fan cooling them directly they never reach full glow and most of the energy is wasted. Placing the coils inside a tube the fan can't cool the coils allowing the natural frequency to interact with the metal. The quartz acts as a filter as well as an insulator.

In my research I found the coils functioned most efficiently when they reached a certain color - brighter and the efficiency dropped off, likewise if they weren't brought to that glow ( dimmer ) efficiency dropped off. The different metals each function in a certain band of frequencies - very much like a tuned system. I tested aluminum, copper and stainless, the most common... copper was by far the most responsive with aluminum a close second. You'll find they function more efficiently with less current.

In order to control the current flowing through the coils you can use a capacitor to adjust the total "Z" of the system. Motor run caps work best ( not start caps )..
You can experiment with various sizes to find the sweet spot. Higher values higher current, lower values lower current. There are other very efficient ways to control amperage but the above is quick and simple - simply wire the cap in series with the element.... make sure the caps were meant for AC and that they are rated above the intended use - motor run caps were designed for heavy loads and high current. I can share some other circuits at a later date if anyone is interested.

[Stealth]

All this is good information. I remember talking to an engineer back in the late 80's or early nineties. He worked for Raytheon, a large supplier of missals and parts for the U.S. military. He said that he had seen with his own eyes a new invention, presumably DONE AT THE Raytheon plant, where they heated an entire large room with a heater designed by someone in their organization. It had the capability of heating an entire house, and was the size of a Coke can. He would never divulge the principle or operation to me, I suppose he had signed an NDA. Anyway, he gone now and I have no other resources for obtaining the info. I do know there exists such a device, he is not the only one who had talked about it. It may have very well been a spinoff of microwave oven, as that is where it was invented and designed. Litton corporation was a part of Raytheon back then. Good Luck. stealth

[BroMikey]

With the fan cooling them directly they never reach full glow and most of the energy is wasted.


motor run caps were designed for heavy loads and high current. I can share some other circuits at a later date if anyone is interested.

Are U kidding course we are interested. You made it that far,

I gotta hear the rest of the story.

[BroMikey]

It appears UV and infrared have been mildly abused through the patent. His test unit stating 11,000 BTU at 600 watts used quartz infrared tubes... attached below.

11,000 btu = 3223.78177 watts.

600 watts input and 3220 watts output

Humm let me get this straight now

3220watts / 600 watts = over 5X COP

[dragon]

It seems to me that this is not a direct frictional conversion based on the amount of wattage being shoved through a resistor, although, it plays a part. The efficiency at which one can vibrate the metal at an atomic level heating the exchanger indirectly might play a larger part in heat production than simply the wattage. Therefore would not be overunity, simply a more efficient use of a given input.

It's really not the answers we're looking for - it's the right questions. If the right question is asked, the answer becomes obvious.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, thanks for informative replies.
So it seems the infrared elements have a sweet spot.
Also going to assume a regular light bulb does not emit the same range of frequencies that these quartz elements do.
Meaning, i need to get one of these elements to test with.
I did test the high temp black paint modification and it did increase the dynamic heat output, with fan running that is.
It increased by 4 degrees at the exhaust port, from 130 F. to 134 F.
The black paint did reduce stray light.
While I'm still testing this standard bulb method, I'm thinking of adding another perforated aluminum cylinder, with small space in between, covering the other cylinder.
The holes will be offset from the other cylinders holes, so as to absorb more stray infrared frequencies.
Dragon, I can't remember right now the name of the inventor, though i recall two metal dishes that were tuned using resonance somehow and both aimed at each other, he was able to create great heat from what i recall.
I think he was using whatever small input from one dish and they must have been reverberating off one another, increasing the vibration within the metal and heat.
I'll have to dig through my archives and locate his name.
peace love light