Magnet motor revelation

[tachyoncatcher]

Well here's some actual facts based on testing. I am still testing ramp geometries and inductive attraction. While my polarity tester says the ramp is all one polarity based on the inducing polarity of the magnet, the forces measured, say there are polarity gradients at work. In other words, when a north inducing magnet moves along the ramp, the magnet bangs into a compressed, south pole field at the end of the ramp. Just like Mack said and that book from the 1800s. Your hall devices won't measure it, but your cheapo compasses will. Go figure, dynamic fields moving around and compressing in the induced iron. Lol.

Stick with the basics. Like Dave said, make it as directed, then make it better. There are forces at work we ASSume to understand, but we don't. We've all been taught WRONG. Sorry, no videos published here. I don't want to send anyone on any bunny trails due to what they think they see. They're made, but I will hold them till the thing is fully constructed so you can see the why of what I have done. Besides, Mack has shared what I am testing.

Good Luck,

Randy

[BroMikey]

''''''''''''''''''''' I'm not saying that any of the ideas people have come up with are WRONG. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

'''''''''''''''''''''''' now the few people who actually BUILD are totally confused about which direction to go ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''


I love all the graphics you guys are capable of coming up with. '''''''''''''''''''''''

Again, I do NOT mean to be insulting to anyone'''''''''''''''''''''



By the way. I get to go home tomorrow and see if I still have a house. ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

Dave

Yes I agree this has become a very complex learning experience that is

taking much effort(Nothing ventured nothing gained) on our part and

since we don't have a crappy video

we can post different visual ideas on paper, a sort of door number one

or door number two or is it door number twenty

That is why we all need to chill. I have been through this before

with NDA folks who are in a straight.

I recently put some neo's on my test platform and have tried the butterfly

style and also the curved flat bars before and after or leading, lagging.

Each time I try a new idea, I gain more knowledge.


Ufo is good at graphics and I am a joke but we have to start somewhere.

It is like pinata, ya know blind fold the cronies give'm a ball bat

to get revenge at that swinging treasure just outside their reach.

Hit that thing boy, hit it.

We have posted a few ideas that were shot down now we know what

it is NOT.

I hope you still have a house when you get back. I just had a 4 foot

limb fall onto my old astro van from a 120 year old cotton wood tree.

I hope the whole thing never falls over because the base is 8 feet.

My Van crushed like a beer can

Hurry up and get back up here and keep us on track. We need your

help you know.

[BroMikey]

Hello to All,

Sorry guys, I have been very busy...

But, ever since Mack gave Us the below post...



I stopped doing all this 2D CAD images...swapped program to a much expensive one...(MAYA) and really started "thinking" and building in 3D Models (I can animate it as well)...changes that could be done...plus all advantages that doing so could bring Us...

I can see the whole picture now...better balancing between Modules...plus, a more effective way to "project" Ramps Induced Poles into the Rotor Magnets (180ş straight line)

But here they are sharing them with you all.

Like I wrote on the first image on top...it is better to imagine the angles between Planes...and not through Axes. (it tends to confusion)

The Ramps could easily be redirecting Stators Polarity to face Rotor Magnets at a very effective straight angle...in favor of rotation of course...


Regards


Ufopolitics

EDIT 1: Actually, if you've all noticed, the only change done here...is to adjust the Rotor Magnets based on their Y Axis...to about 30ş inclination, while keeping the original 30ş from our previous 2D Diagrams, as recommended by Mack.

Only thing is...that when we do this...then the third plane also gets inclined as well.

Ufo,

http://www.energeticforum.com/280084-post217.html
YES! Almost 100%.


When I started out I was looking for a way to prevent the rotor magnet from being pulled backwards to the iron ramp, like Shylo mentioned. I came up with the idea to blend the end of the ramp with a magnet to over power the backward attraction of the iron ramp so the rotor could continue rotating. By blend I mean a smooth transition from the ramp to the field of the stator magnet so the rotor magnet would not “feel” the switch. I wanted the rotor to see the attraction from the ramp just “disappear” at the end of the ramp.


One last thing. Start thinking in three dimensions and give the “transition point” between the ramp and magnet some thought.

Mack

Thanks for all your help UFO you truly are a wiz-kid of graphics.

I am reading Macks post here again and the 3D Mack is talking

about might be the way the ramps are to "BLEND WIT A MAGNET"

That is still 2D, See what I mean in his post?


I don't know how you got a 30 degree additional incline of the rotor

magnet of this Mack post. Did I miss a post?

Either way we are just getting started so hold on to that moment.

[lorinrandone]

Hello everyone
I personally do not ignore anyone. I would have liked communicate with you, but it only has thought UFO purpose. Each, are different (and above, I do not speak English). Ufo seeing this project so graphic - I do not mean that there is testing, my, i have hurry to build him (I am a craftsman details) using graphics Ufo, your comments and most importantly the puzzle game MadMack David has problems, but has presented its first steps, Mikey is the catalyst of this thread and not at last, this project takes Randy scientifically. Perfect. It is as it should be, but there is still a lack of communication. I personally do not mind opinions, suggestions (see Ufo style). So we have to choose if we are on hand or we go together. If you think
at some point i am leftover, i get out.
Regards. cristian alba

[BroMikey]

Hello everyone
I personally do not ignore anyone. I would have liked communicate with you, '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''' Each, are different (and above, I do not speak English).''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

If you think
at some point i am leftover, i get out.
Regards. cristian alba

Hello Cristian

No we are glad you are here. You have done us a great service to

show us the right direction for a magnet motor build. You are first

with me You are leading the way English? No, leading

the way by example, leading the way by being first to run your motor

better than any of us YET. We do not talk to you because we are

"afraid" you will not understand English and that this is a waste.


UFO talks to you in your own words.


I use the GOOGLE TRANSLATION and still the words are all wrong and

very confusing. The translation is broken and does not reflect the

true meaning.


But to me, you are the best one and the first to show us that OU is

possible with MADMACKS build. Great going.


Now what is all of this talk about going away?


I need you here Sir!!

[Ufopolitics]

I am reading Macks post here again and the 3D Mack is talking

about might be the way the ramps are to "BLEND WIT A MAGNET"

That is still 2D, See what I mean in his post?


I don't know how you got a 30 degree additional incline of the rotor

magnet of this Mack post. Did I miss a post?

Mikey,

The way I interpret the last sentence of that Mack's post...:

One last thing. Start thinking in three dimensions and give the “transition point” between the ramp and magnet some thought.

Mack

Ok, we start "thinking" in 3D...and "obviously and basically" related to the "Transition Point" between Ramp and Magnet...As it is "basically" understood that He is referring to the "magnet" AT the Rotor and NOT to the Stator Magnet.

Stator Magnets are clearly defined (finally) the way they are set...facing axis straight as alignment/adjustment would be done within that specific line ONLY.

So, a TRANSITION POINT between RAMP and ROTOR MAGNET IN 3D...

So far we all have been "imaging" this motor ONLY in 2D...including the Ramps and Rotor Magnets relation (Transition Point).

What would be the ONLY other adjustment Axis to set this two components in 3D?

The "z" axis right?...and I wrote "y" axis (green) on the graphics above because MAYA uses it that way, my bad...but all is relative stuff friend...and with graphics is clearly seen that relates to the VERTICAL/UPRIGHT AXIS...either Z or Y.

Unfortunately for many here...but whenever we are referring to 3D suggestions and possibilities...we will need/depend specifically upon 3D Graphics to understand them properly.

Difference between 2D and 3D?...Just another "third" axis, but that axis generates two more planes intersecting with the 2D single Plane.

Anyways...that is my understanding from that short part of Mack's post...and surely I may be wrong...I may be "seeing more than was meant to be interpreted"...and that "more" may be totally wrong.

And related to 30ş adjust to that vertical axis is just a random number...it could be any other adjustment ...however, the ramp should be able to also "move-pivot" within the same angle as your rotor magnet deviation...to effect the proper thrusting force.

However, if any of you guys, have another way to interpret this Transition Point between this two components (Ramp-Rotor Magnet) in 3D, please share it...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[mkt3920]

However, if any of you guys, have another way to interpret this Transition Point between this two components (Ramp-Rotor Magnet) in 3D, please share it...

Ufopolitics

I think it refers to the ramp (possibly) being above the magnets. I think he wants us to be thinking of the magnetic forces above/below the 2D plane we are looking at. A ramp above the magnets could pivot so that one end of the ramp could be moved to the opposite end of the long stator magnet (for neutral or reverse effects). On the below image, maybe the top left end of has an upward bend or maybe the whole top line of the below image, above the rotor mag, "ramps" downward. What if the below was made from 3 pieces, joined at ends, would that "weakening" of the ramps inductive abilities help or hinder?

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(seen from above, looking down, please ignore dots on image)

Kent

[MadMack]

While my polarity tester says the ramp is all one polarity based on the inducing polarity of the magnet, the forces measured, say there are polarity gradients at work. In other words, when a north inducing magnet moves along the ramp, the magnet bangs into a compressed, south pole field at the end of the ramp.

Thank you Randy.

To be simple and practical, move the end of the ramp out of the way.
Split the single ramp before it gets to the stator magnet and put the stator magnet between the halves and don't assume the ramp touches the magnet on 3 sides. Splitting the ramp converts the single vector into two vectors and changes the angle of the vectors. Where do you wish to place the induced south pole field(s)? When do you want the vector to change? How rapidly should it change? Where will the point of maximum attraction be, rotor to ramp?

This is the area of success and failure.

Experiment and TEST everyone.

Good luck,
Mack

PS Yes runaway is a problem. It can accelerate to self destruction.

[tachyoncatcher]

Thank you Randy.

To be simple and practical, move the end of the ramp out of the way.
Split the single ramp before it gets to the stator magnet and put the stator magnet between the halves and don't assume the ramp touches the magnet on 3 sides. Splitting the ramp converts the single vector into two vectors and changes the angle of the vectors. Where do you wish to place the induced south pole field(s)? When do you want the vector to change? How rapidly should it change? Where will the point of maximum attraction be, rotor to ramp?

This is the area of success and failure.

Experiment and TEST everyone.

Good luck,
Mack

PS Yes runaway is a problem. It can accelerate to self destruction.

Mack, you are a rare breed! I totally get this. The runaway made sense based on the principles at work. Therefore the need for a mechanical throttle/brake you describe. I'll bet you have quite a story about intellectual rights that would make the hair on our backs curl and our faith in mankind shrivel. You're one of the good guys.

Take Care,

Randy

[wantomake]

fig 41

Madmack,
Are you referring to fig. 41 page 65 Manual of Magnetism book? So(if I understand at all) the ramp end is "Y" shaped with the attraction stator magnet placed with south facing the stator inside the "v". One side of the v is south induced, the other is north, creating 0 at the junction of the "v"? The front part of the ramp "Y" will be a north vector, while the magnet (front facing) is a south vector?

I drew this out to understand it, but if I'm totally way off I'll delete this post. Sorry no cad(wish I could) or pics, or YouTube , yet.

On my third scrappy build and nothing yet, at lest to help any.
wantomake

[BroMikey]

Thank you Randy.

To be simple and practical, move the end of the ramp out of the way.
Split the single ramp before it gets to the stator magnet and put the stator magnet between the halves and don't assume the ramp touches the magnet on 3 sides. Splitting the ramp converts the single vector into two vectors and changes the angle of the vectors. Where do you wish to place the induced south pole field(s)? When do you want the vector to change? How rapidly should it change? Where will the point of maximum attraction be, rotor to ramp?

This is the area of success and failure.

Experiment and TEST everyone.

Good luck,
Mack

PS Yes runaway is a problem. It can accelerate to self destruction.

Run Away rotor???

Here is my picture for the repulsion side.

[Turion]

My interpretation of what Mack said is completely different then BroMikey's, but you won't see it here until I have tested it.

By the way. I got to come home today. The fire was held back at the end of my street, so no damage at all to my place except it reeks of smoke, and I lost all the food in the refrigerator and freezer since the power lines were burnt up. Have to go shopping tonight so we have anything to eat.

Thanks to everybody here who expressed their concern. My nerves are a bit frazzled as all I have done is sit around and wonder for five days whether 60+ years of accumulated memories were going up in smoke.

All my UPS deliveries were delayed, so the magnets I ordered are in limbo, but may show up in the next couple days. I hope so! Then I can get back to work and contribute again. Thanks again guys and get to work!

Dave

[wantomake]

Woohoo

Glad your house was spared. I really enjoy your line of thought and heart to get free and useful energy for all.

And yes, back to work for me too
wantomake

[BroMikey]

Thanks to everybody here who expressed their concern. My nerves are a bit frazzled as all I have done is sit around and wonder for five days whether 60+ years of accumulated memories were going up in smoke.


Dave

See THE LORD did have mercy on you, this was our prayer.

Never underestimate HIS Power to perform His Mighty Acts.

HE knows I need you back up and runnin the threads.

[MadMack]

Guys, I'm sorry I can't post as often or as in-depth as I would like.

Cristian, for some inexplicable reason I have not been able to see your videos until tonight, so I could not comment. They were always just a blank page. After seeing them I must admit I am envious of your craftsmanship. While watching your latest 4 pole I noticed that you were holding the ramp on the wrong side of the stator magnet for your rotation direction. I have been describing only the ramp for the attraction magnet set, and that one starts out with the ramp gapped further away from the rotor and the gap gets smaller as the rotor magnet approaches the stator magnet, with the ramp ending in the general area of the stator magnet.

Ufo, my ramp pivot was nothing like the bell shape you posted so I can not comment on that. That is an interesting way to approach it though. For all I know it may be a much better design. Likewise for the compound angle stator magnets. I am sure there is much room for improvement in my design.

Wantomake, yes the ramp I described could be called a “Y” with the stator magnet in the “V”. Don't be so much concerned about which branch has what polarity, but more about where are the attraction and repulsion forces and the direction they have. There will be some back drag as the split in the ramp widens and this needs to be compensated for as best as can be. It might help to picture the ramp as more like a scorpion, with a shorter tail sticking up, a hump backed body with the rear end elevated, and claws extended ahead. Looking at it from the top, the body and claws would resemble a “Y” shaped tuning fork. The fork tines would be parallel just before the stator magnet, giving the rotor magnet attraction or repulsion vectors to the ramp of 90 degrees to the direction of rotation. As the rotor magnet gets to the stator magnet there is nothing but air between the two.

I would like to point out that I have said nothing about the shape of the very ends of the ramp at the stator magnet, where the ends terminate, nor the various degrees of slope and rotor magnet clearance the ramp may have along it's length.

Regards,
Mack