Magnet motor revelation

[BroMikey]

One more for the road.

[sprocket]

I may be way off but this is the way I interpret what MadMack is saying - once the ramp has done its job and at its closest point to the rotor, reduce the tine cross-section but continued along the rotor's arc of travel. The plan view would show it similarly being reduced to form a point.

[MadMack]

Hi Mack,

thanks for that. This was pretty clear. However my question then would be, why we cannot use repelling stators only and tune all ramps identical

Best regards
Siggi

That is a good question Siggi. You can do that and that is just what Bedini did.
That design requires a heavy shunt to partially block the repulsion of the approaching magnet and a different type of ramp. There is still a repulsion loss even with that shunt.
The balanced design we are working with here is better partly because it allows a lossless approach for the magnets without shunts.

Mack

[MadMack]

Dear Mack,
With the North facing rotors, we are chasing a South field down the ramps on both ends. On the repelling side based on Ufo's positioning of the ramp on the stator magnet, I would say the added length is needed to provide a place for that south field to move to. This then gives us the attraction seen that pulls the repelling rotor toward the end of the ramp. His ramp design and placement does not allow for inductive kick and this can be seen in the video. So, I don't believe the moving South field disappears, but gets moved to the bottom of the ramp where the opposing north field is weaker. Then moves to the end to create the pull we see of the rotor magnet to the repelling stator magnet. Yum, yum, my words taste good. Lol. So polarity IS used as a tool to further bias the nodes at the stator magnets.

Now with that said the attracting side is wholly different. The ramp has an inductive kick in front of the stator, but that moving South field is still present in the ramp. With ramps, as Ufo has them, this would amplify the South field of the stator and extend it past the stator magnet giving us the seen braking. So my take aways are such:
Attracting side-
The attracting ramp must end ~ the middle of the attracting stator magnet to end that moving field even with the magnet, for now. The ramp should terminate in such a way that the force vectors are as close to zero as possible and the mass is minimized at the center line of the stator magnet. I believe the ramp should also be near the face of the stator magnet.

Repulsion side-
The ramps should extend beyond the repulsive stator magnet. The end should be blunt and not too close to the face of the magnet. Mass at the end for the moving field to travel to. See Ufo's video of bottom ramp.

Thanks you Ufopolitics for the excellent video. It has been a great learning tool when used in slow motion. The process I use to view Youtube video in slow motion is by downloading the video, then viewing it with VLC media player. This allows you to slow the motion down as slow as you like. Something Youtube lacks.

Thanks All,

Randy

Randy,
I really appreciate the technical analysis you bring to the discussion. I think you understand what these fields are doing better than I do. My theories are based more on "Hey if I do this, then that happens." Like the nail experiment.

Off topic but how can I download those Youtube videos? I use Linux.

Thanks,
Mack

[MadMack]

I may be way off but this is the way I interpret what MadMack is saying - once the ramp has done its job and at its closest point to the rotor, reduce the tine cross-section but continued along the rotor's arc of travel. The plan view would show it similarly being reduced to form a point.

Good. Not such an abrupt drop on the tines, take longer to reduce it smoothly.
This is on the attraction node (I like that term).

Regards,
Mack

[SlickDick]

Off topic but how can I download those Youtube videos? I use Linux.

Thanks,
Mack

Hi Mack,

Try https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/

[MadMack]

Gentlemen
As you know I do not control the English, but there are important things to say. I, such as you have imagined, I have not abandoned this project, so I
tests and tests with different materials to achieve the optimal ramps. I personally believe that the final ramp is incomplete.
I also believe that the ramp repulsion, not very different from the ramp of attraction but both are united in a kind of X, placed between stators north and south by neighboring pairs
Thus the management of the force vectors explained, just acting the X ramp, also explained that at this time we can
determining the extent as said rotor had Mack, considering the extent of the rampe combo. I can be wrong and the master Mack, you can correct me. Good luck in getting this engine.
best regards....

Glad to see you are still with us Cristian. I have no doubt there is more than one way to build the ramps. If anyone has positive results with anything related to this motor, please share. What I know must surely be only the tip of the iceberg. We may end up building a much better one before we are through here.

Regards,
Mack

[MadMack]

Hi Mack,

Try https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/

Thank you. Now I know where to get the latest version. I have this so mine must be outdated.

Regards,
Mack

[boguslaw]

To download videos from youtube under linux I usually use keepvid.com service

[sprocket]

Good. Not such an abrupt drop on the tines, take longer to reduce it smoothly.
This is on the attraction node (I like that term).

Regards,
Mack

Yeah, figured as much, I'm just not much of an artist, particularly when doodling with just a mouse.

[lorinrandone]

Glad to see you are still with us Cristian. I have no doubt there is more than one way to build the ramps. If anyone has positive results with anything related to this motor, please share. What I know must surely be only the tip of the iceberg. We may end up building a much better one before we are through here.

Regards,
Mack

Mack Thanks for your optimism, but do not think there yet another improvement in the construction of its engine. I was referring to your model ramps, thinking it uncomfortable to have 6 ramps (for a 6-pole motor). I believe you to find it combined the system for only 3 combo ramps, one for 2 opposite poles.
This is my opinion, but if I'm wrong, is because there are still many things to free interpretation by each.
regard. Cristian

[Ufopolitics]

Testing Power Stroke Video

Hello to All,

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtMZpDSCFEI&feature=youtu.be[/VIDEO]

TESTING POWER STROKE

Well, above is a video about my concept on Power Stroke...plus where I am at this point on the project...Mack, please feel free to make any constructive criticism as you like, it would not discourage me at all...

All others... just stay AWAY and very quiet...I mean, shut up...


Just kidding...But hey, guys...show your darn videos !!...it is the only way Mack could see them and tell us what is wrong...then we could evolve here!!


Regards


Ufopolitics

[BenChatman]

Ufo

You are doing a awesome job, I'm hoping to get a test rig up next week


Regards Ben

omg i made a post so soon after joining

[tachyoncatcher]

Hello to All,
TESTING POWER STROKE
Well, above is a video about my concept on Power Stroke...plus where I am at this point on the project...Mack, please feel free to make any constructive criticism as you like, it would not discourage me at all...
All others... just stay AWAY and very quiet...I mean, shut up...
Just kidding...But hey, guys...show your darn videos !!...it is the only way Mack could see them and tell us what is wrong...then we could evolve here!!
Regards
Ufopolitics

Ufo,
You are so close. I see two tweaks to try that could put you over the edge. Put the bottom ramp that you had in the first video back on. Exactly as you had it. You were getting great acceleration from that ramp on the repulsion node. Take the top ramp from the second video and bring the tine ends down, closer to the rotor. Mack did say 0 force vector. That would be 90 degrees from the face of the rotor magnet. Think of the force as lines parallel to the center line of the magnet, 90 degrees to that. Said another way, beside the face. Also, you will want the arc to get closer to the rotor until you reach the stator then match the circumference of the rotor until the end.

You are so close Buddy! I don't think you have to have different lengths of ramps as the contributions to motion happen at different times. The attraction node is first, then the repulsion node at about 2/3 down the ramp and past the end. Counter intuitive I know, but that is the way it looks to me. I think our traveling South fields is messing with the rotor fields to give it that little extra oomph at the end.

As I said, I'm a wage slave, so I have very little precious time for this. No time for waiting on Youtube uploads. I'll throw some snapshots up later for you.

Back to the shop,

Randy

[BroMikey]

The back pull from a ramp has to be eliminated or dissipated as much as possible.

The rotor acceleration has to extend to the point where the next ramp can start to take hold of the rotor magnet before any remaining back pull from the previous ramp can exert itself.

Watch the video again about 1:07. You can see the acceleration out to about 210 clockwise degrees from vertical, then there is a tug that slows the rotor back down. It's not enough to stop the rotor but it does slow it down. Ufo, I do not want to discourage you but the two ramps in the video need more work. I hinted at that in my last post. The bottom one is OK but could be just a little better. The opposite ramps are not identical in my motors, in case that helps.


BroMikey,
At 2:46 you can see the rotor magnet experience a strong back pull right past the end of the top ramp.

Regards,
Mack

Thanks for baring with me a little MackEither the kids are yelling,
or I am at work and my head is splitting, or some reason I can't concentrate.
So what I can't stop. It is a wonder I can even post. I put a red X on that last mess I posted so try this instead.


@Sprocket

Thank you.

@UFO

The attraction RAMP looks like this. A day late and a dollar short I know. That's what you get for telling me to shut up. It's finally sinkin in. Remove that top ramp and follow my lead.

I may be way off but this is the way I interpret what MadMack is saying - once the ramp has done its job and at its closest point to the rotor, reduce the tine cross-section but continued along the rotor's arc of travel. The plan view would show it similarly being reduced to form a point.

Good. Not such an abrupt drop on the tines, take longer to reduce it smoothly.
This is on the attraction node (I like that term).

Regards,
Mack