Tesla's bifiliar coil VS Nasa's 'new' amplifier.

[djarno]

Can't find any results on this.
Has anyone tried comparing and measuring them yet ?

If so please share you're results and if not you're thoughts.

Src ; Exploring the Quantum World | NASA
Src; A New Look at Tesla BiFilar Coil - AETHERFORCE




Edit;
Since picture is 'flat' it might be possible that they actually refer towards the 'forgotten coil'



Forgotten Coil

[dR-Green]

ironically it looks just like Tesla’s BiFilar coil except…. it is wired differently

"Ironically", a pattern that resembles someone's face in the clouds is just like a person's face in every way except... It is a cloud.

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The Tesla coil is wound in the same direction. The NASA coil is wound in opposite directions.

Why would someone make a comparison or think of them in the same context?

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Hold a pebble in one hand, and a seed in the other, and think of all the ways they are the same, but different.

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I'd might as well also mention that the coil in the background is not the coil that's spoken about.

[dragon]

Try... nantenna and/or rectenna

Considerably different than the tesla bifillar

[Ufopolitics]

Pebbles and Bananas...

Good 'dilemma'...and thread!

The fact is that its MAIN EMBODIMENT is just IDENTICAL to Tesla's Bifilar Coil.

Small details, like joining the inner center small wires, or winding it in "Reversed Engineering Mode" DON'T make such a big difference over the MAIN STRUCTURE, EMBODIMENT or else.

We could have it painted PINK...and still is the same deal. So its 'connections' could be varied and so what?...we could "apply" for a "New Patent"?

Obviously NOT!.

As an example in USPTO Rules to grant or not to grant a Patent to its similar Application, it is based on MAIN EMBODIMENT, STRUCTURE and then "Utility" or what it is used for?

This avoid that a "creative mind" (actually a Troll) could just change a few obvious small details and get away with a Patent which in fact is just a Copy Cat of the ORIGINAL and OLDER Idea protected by Patent Laws...

If We put one next to each other, the average person would say it is the Same thing.

This "case" is not related to "Clouds" "Pebbles" nor Bananas...as Mr Green considers...but "a bit" more sophisticated "apparatuses" comparisons ...


Ufopolitics

[dR-Green]

The fact is that its MAIN EMBODIMENT is just IDENTICAL to Tesla's Bifilar Coil.

Yes. It's a circle.

Beyond that, unfortunately we're not at nursery any more so the right answers are not found through putting the right shape in the right hole.

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[Ufopolitics]

Yes. It's a circle.

Beyond that, unfortunately we're not at nursery any more so the right answers are not found through putting the right shape in the right hole.

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Sorry Sir...but that is not JUST a "Circle"...it is a DISC Shaped and Flat Coil. Meaning, only one layer...not cylindrical (like most) etc,etc...plus not having a Core either.

Circle does not describes Accurately the Geometrical Shapes of this design spoken here.

All rounded Coils "contain" "Circles" on them...unless square or rectangular.

Related to the picture drawn by you above...I could say you are still in the Kindergarten stage...or "Nursery Time"...

[Iotayodi]

Same directional winding. Just no terminations extending out of the center. Its a ying/yang center. More field focus from what I see. The Nasa coil is not made up of plain copper and they supercool it. That makes this coil a different animal. They also wanted zero resistance. If the terminations extended out over the coils field that would have given them resistance and wave interference to an extent..

[dR-Green]

Same directional winding. Just no terminations extending out of the center. Its a ying/yang center.

Which is where, if you follow the winding around, it switches to the opposite direction.

Not to mention Yin Yang are opposites

[shylo]

Do they alternate a pulse feed from both sides or do they feed it from only one side? Maybe it's just a conductor that has a net zero magnetic field?
artv

[Iotayodi]

it switches to the opposite direction.

Not to mention Yin Yang are opposites

Its one sheathed wire wound ccw from the center. The external terminations follow a cw direction inward if thats what your saying about the opposite direction.

Not to mention Yin Yang are opposites

Which is happening at the center. One part goes cw the other ccw.

[dR-Green]

Its one sheathed wire wound ccw from the center. The external terminations follow a cw direction inward if thats what your saying about the opposite direction.


Which is happening at the center. One part goes cw the other ccw.

Yes I see what you're saying, from the point of view of the centre, but there's no electrical connection or any kind of termination at the centre. If a wave travels from one end of the wire to the other, then it changes direction of rotation in the centre.

The point still being that it has nothing to do with Tesla's bifilar coil.

[Iotayodi]

The point still being that it has nothing to do with Tesla's bifilar coil.

Yep! Its a different animal for sure.

[shylo]

How does Tesla's coil work? It creates a field in the primary which opposes the feild in the second or parallel wind, creating less loss? Or stronger field?
This coil might create a field of polarity and then reverse before it gets half way through the wire, (conductor)?

[Ernst]

Reading this discussion, one may conclude that some of the participants have never read the Tesla patent.
There is a reason for winding it the way it is wound. A very specific reason, giving it a very specific purpose.
That purpose is by no means obtained with the NASA coil.
These are two entirely different things, with very likely, very different design considerations behind them.
Therefore my guess is that these two designers can apply for two different patents.


Ernst.

[mikrovolt]

Reading this discussion, one may conclude that some of the participants have never read the Tesla patent.
There is a reason for winding it the way it is wound. A very specific reason, giving it a very specific purpose.
That purpose is by no means obtained with the NASA coil.
These are two entirely different things, with very likely, very different design considerations behind them.
Therefore my guess is that these two designers can apply for two different patents.


Ernst.

I agree that the specific end use for the NASA coil is not what Tesla intended.
for his experiments. There are several similarities in spiral pancake design which lend to
certain waves and in particular some in the upper atmosphere and in certain spark gaps.

I also agree that most NASA scientist who study electro-dynamics have no
clue what Tesla describes in the pancake patents because the conventional
mindset that gives little credit to aether.

picture from Jeff Behary, no scope shot available

FischerFlamingArc_2.jpg

Also the phenomena of the dust ring spiral coming off magnetically contained
electrostatic field has been postulated that saturn's rings are of this nature.
Also toroidial leaping fields from spark gaps yet another and plasma phenomena.
e-fields and pancake geometries in space, electro gravitics ect

There is evidence that some scientist have gone beyond Tesla
in developing instrumentation for those specific effects that spiral pancakes
tend to receive well.

How Tesla could ever comprehend so much in aether science is amazing.
Also ancient artefacts depicting geometries and related mathematics are specific
to the various natural mediums in the aether these are yet to be rediscovered.

These are a few thoughts that compare NASA pancake spiral
but I leave the contrast of the Tesla pancake spiral to the reader.
Godspeed to all trying to advance the aetheric science for the benefit of humanity.