What is Cold Electricity?

[CANGAS]

CANGAS
have you ever measured this compared to ambient ?
we do have a friend who claims to get this effect ...
I never asked him exactly how he did this [he did offer to share].

?
Thanks
Chet

You are generous! I ask you one question and in return you give me TWO!

I made the stupid and rude error of jumping cold into the discussion before I had read the prior thread content. I hate it when people do that to me in my threads, and here came my Karma, the devil made me do it to somebody else. When I subsequently did the right thing last night and read all the thread up to my jump-in point, I discovered that my curiosity was amply satisfied by prior posts from various participants.

Thank you for your particular attention to my dilemma. The emergency is over.


CANGAS

[RAMSET]

CANGAS

Sometimes the Game is all about the rules
and sometimes people just want to do the right thing.

Knowing when to "play" or when to "say" can be a tuff choice for some.

I can feel your torment !!

It is Cold in Here.......

Chet

[CANGAS]

RAMSET, I have not been thinking much about electric matters, my natural specialty being gross physical mechanisms, but I am getting inclined to think that there are actually perhaps several different types of mechanisms, or, "technologies" that have gotten all lumped together in "cold electricity". This leading to a confusion when one technique seems to show anomalous energy coincident with Joule heat, another with cool (ambient or close to it ) temp, and yet another with cold temp (indeed frost).

Therefore we argue and puzzle about who has the right theory. Maybe all the theories are right!

In my particular case, I had an insight as to why a conductor may carry quite a current at high frequency but not get Joule heated. But I have been puzzled because my own little hypothesis presented no obvious way of making OU. Just a way to carry a lot of current in a superconductor way. Here very recently I see that other peoples results and hypothesis point to OU and conductor cooling being the ACTIVE MECHANISM to produce the current.

Would it make any difference if a genuine OU device made Joule heat, or if it made frost? Who cares? OU energy is FREE.


CANGAS

edited to correct typo and add a thought

[RAMSET]

sounds like we need an experiment...the simplest possible experiment to show this effect on the bench ?



the object being this cooling under ambient and cold current
I will make a few calls.

respectfully
Chet

[wayne.ct]

You pulled me back in, Chet

I started this thread and then gave up on it because nobody really had the "one correct answer" but having reviewed everything from where I left until now I can see that the field has become quite narrow and there are really only a few types of cold electricity that have substance.

One type that appeals to me is the cold electricity of Marc Belanger. This is the experiment in which the contacts of the relay have frost on them. This should be quite easy to reproduce if one properly specifies all the components.

I was going to summarize and list the other types, but I won't. I'll just say the other major ones are high voltage, high frequency, high atmospheric and cosmic. I think there is merit in there somewhere for all of them.

Thanks to all, but special thanks to Mike for pulling together the relevant videos, etc. relative to Marc B. Now I'm ready to do some more experiments.

[alman]

I started this thread and then gave up on it because nobody really had the "one correct answer" but having reviewed everything from where I left until now I can see that the field has become quite narrow and there are really only a few types of cold electricity that have substance.

One type that appeals to me is the cold electricity of Marc Belanger. This is the experiment in which the contacts of the relay have frost on them. This should be quite easy to reproduce if one properly specifies all the components.

I was going to summarize and list the other types, but I won't. I'll just say the other major ones are high voltage, high frequency, high atmospheric and cosmic. I think there is merit in there somewhere for all of them.

Thanks to all, but special thanks to Mike for pulling together the relevant videos, etc. relative to Marc B. Now I'm ready to do some more experiments.

I played with the circuit from post #66 when I found it over a year ago but did not use his "Special" transformer and had nothing special to report. I used several off the shelf transformers to my own dismay, not following directions exactly and not producing anything worthwhile. Al

[RAMSET]

Wayne
I will call our friend this weekend [the fellow who briefly mentioned
he would share this chilling effect .

we shall see ?

Thx
Chet

[Bob Smith]

Bob French's CE Posts

Thought these two recent posts would help in this thread.
B

Hey guys,

I built this Saturday and it is one of the very few things that actually worked the first time...no head scratching, cussing, or tears.

It is very frugal (40mA as shown), simple, and puts out 9.2kv (as shown). Adjusting resistors R2 and R3 (which must be the same) and the size of the caps (which must be the same) will change frequency and output. I used the particular MOSFET, transistors, and coil because that is what I had on hand...just got lucky I guess.

In the pic you see a green light which is the LED that indicates the frequency. I changed resistors and caps until I got it to be steady on. The other light is a NE-2 neon. It is nicely bright orange. Any brighter and it might turn white/purple. As I was playing with the resistors, the neon did go white at times momentarily. I have not had time to play with this yet.

This unit gives off Cold Electricity and if you put an LED where the neon is, the LED (made to work on 3v) has 9kv going through it and remains cold. You can put the light and bare wires in water and stick your fingers in there too! Great to show unbelievers. If you stick your finger in the core of the coil it tingles pretty good. I have a string of 100 LED Christmas lights that about 1/2 of them light up because I need to replace a fuse or something. I'll post pics.

This Astable Multivibrator circuit is a low cost, frugal switch for running stuff. I am using one side to run this unit and the LED is on the other side. The two sides alternate. This might be of use when powering a motor and back popping the Primary out of phase.

Bob

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...tivibrator-jpg
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...city-front-jpg

Here's a couple more pics. The light in the water is a NE-2 neon which takes at least 90v to light. You can see the bare clip leads in the water with my fingers. The Xmas lights are at full brightness, but only about 1/2 are lit because of faulty fuse or something.

The pic with the 3 meters is where I used the 10kv meter from my other setup to measure the voltage. To the left is the input meter for that other setup. It reads 0 because I'm not using that setup, only the meter which reads 9.2kv. The meter on the right shows the 40mA that it running everything. On the right is the neon that is lit.

Bob

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ty-fingers-jpg
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...mas-lights-jpg
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...9-2kv-40ma-jpg

[wayne.ct]

A short note regarding proof and proofs (and spoofs!)

From a logical point of view, you can NOT prove something does NOT exist, because nobody knows everything. You can say lots of things but it does not provide proof. It is very easy to say things that make sense to some people because people have different genetics, experience and education. This is the short explanation why I am open to the idea of cold electricity. The problem in all this is that we don't really know what it is or how to make "it". Some people claim this thing exists but don't want to tell how to do it or maybe they don't know what they are doing that makes what they see happen. Together, we may be able to get closer to an answer as to the how. Then, we can start to think about the why.

[Dwane]

I don't know the answer but I can say that the only time i have come across cold electricity was at the UK Free Energy conference '07, maybe '08. We had a demo of pulsed cracking of water into HHO, the Dave Lawton method, and part of the equipment went white. This was frost.

Hello,
My understanding is that during the dissociation of the Hydrogen molecule into monatomic H energy is absorbed from the environment in the form of heat/energy forming a "cold Space". Also, if this reaction takes place in the vicinity of a collector such as a coil or a collector plate as in the Stanley Myers electrolysis process where he is using his "water Capacitors'", then the "freed" electrons orbiting the proton will convert as a cold electrical output. When, the monotonic H atoms are reunited to form diatomic hydrogen molecules heat/energy is expelled back to the environment from the molecule creating a hot "space". Also, again, if there is a collector mechanism in the vicinity of the recombination of the H molecule then "Electricity" will be observed. It might be possible to hypothesise that cold electricity is then, energy formed from within the "Vacuum"!!!

Just my understanding.

I have edited this post to correct my mistake with the explanation endothermic and exothermic reaction, quite correctly pointed out by "OrionLightShip". The equation now holds true to Langmuir's original 1915 discovery regarding the disproportionate relationships in the endothermic and exothermic reactions.

Dwane

[OrionLightShip]

Hello,
My understanding is that during the dissociation of the Hydrogen molecule into monatomic H energy is released in the form of heat/energy. Also, if this reaction takes place in the vicinity of a collector such as a coil or a collector plate as in the Stanley Myers electrolysis process where he is using his "water Capacitors'", then the "freed" electrons orbiting the proton will convert an electrical output. When, the monotonic H atoms are reunited to form diatomic hydrogen molecules heat/energy is reabsorbed from the environment back into the molecule creating a cold "space". Also, again, if there is a collector mechanism in the vicinity of the recombination of the H molecule then "Cold Electricity" will be observed. It might be possible to hypothesise that cold electricity is then, energy formed within a "Vacuum"!!!

Just my understanding.

Dwane

You could not be more wrong about this. Dissociation of molecular Hydrogen is Endothermic and recombination of atomic hydrogen into molecular hydrogen is Exothermic.

[RAMSET]

Well
Our friend that discovered this cooling effect was during water HEATING experiments
In water ??
We are getting hammered with a bad storm in NE USA and I have been too bizzy to
Call him today (getting all the snow equipment fired up and sorted ),and he is 5 hrs ahead so it will be tomorrow.

Chet

[Dwane]

You could not be more wrong about this. Dissociation of molecular Hydrogen is Endothermic and recombination of atomic hydrogen into molecular hydrogen is Exothermic.

I have corrected the reaction procedure in the above post, thank you for your observation. There was no excuse for that mistake, it is some time since I had formulated that opinion. However, we all make mistakes, do we not!

[OrionLightShip]

I have corrected the reaction procedure in the above post, thank you for your observation. There was no excuse for that mistake, it is some time since I had formulated that opinion. However, we all make mistakes, do we not!

Hydrogen is not known to dissociate under "ambient" conditions.

[Dwane]

Hydrogen is not known to dissociate under "ambient" conditions.

Who said I was talking about ambient conditions? I was responding to wrtner's observation on a Stanley Meyers replication by Dave Lawton. If you know anything about that, you would know that Meyer's used anything but ambience to breakdown the water molecules.