Motor Generators

[BroMikey]

Keep us posted Dave

[BroMikey]

1st run with new li ion packs

[wantomake]

My 6 lithium batteries came in yesterday. I got all of my boost modules up and running (some had blown fuses) and got two more Drok Buck modules today. I put together a new light board that will hold fourteen 10 watt 12 volt bulbs, so tomorrow I will go to town and pick up some bulbs for it. Will also pick up some 25 watt bulbs as I want to see how many watts I can actually push once I get this running in both directions instead of just one. I need to get some more fuses too, just in case. Lots to do before I have it up and running, but I'll get there soon, now that I don't have to MESS with that generator.

I had no success trying to use BMS’s on my brick of batteries. Therefore I am not building with any on the next battery packes.

7:00 am here in South Carolina with the sun just breaking in the morning. So time for coffee.

[wantomake]

THIS SCHEMATIC IS DRAWN FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY. HIGH VOLTAGE DC CAN KILL YOU
YOU DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT SEND HIGH VOLTAGE THROUGH A SMALL LOAD BACK TO THE CHARGE BATTERY.


To go to the next level you need a high voltage source of DC, because you can’t recover AC, only DC. But you also need a buck so you don't hit your charge battery with too high a voltage. So you could run an inverter off a battery and put a bridge rectifier on it or use:

https://www.amazon.com/DEVMO-45-390V...356343486&th=1

You will get higher voltage out of the boost than you will an inverter and a bridge. The question, as Orion put so delicately, is what will you DO with this high voltage output. What can you put it THROUGH (so that you recover some) that will "create" energy, and what do you put THAT energy INTO. You aren't really creating energy after all, you are pulling it IN from the environment. How do you collect it. How do you store it. How do you maintain a potential difference with voltage this high and not KILL yourself. This is definitely not a MOTOR, and it is definitely NOT your standard GENERATOR, so maybe this isn't the thread for this discussion.

Also, I found out Bob had a two watt load across battery 3 as well as running a 10 watt bulb. He is still working to balance the system so that none of the batteries go down at all. I don’t have any lithium batteries to put a system together, but have some on order. Should be here in a couple days. I also ordered two of those boots modules and am trying to get a step down from 1,000V DC to 24V DC converter. Found one but had to email them to see how to buy it. Couldn’t just order it and pay for it. I have been working with 120 volts and am ready to move up a level.

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Turion is this the system setup in your video? 350 volts dc is enough to cook with. Lol!

My head is stuck on the 3BGS and 4 battery switch setups.

Waiting on my spot welder to charge so I can finish the 4s 16 volt lithium packs to run some test. I've some dc 12v bulbs too.

[BroMikey]

1st step see what each pack WH count is. Answer = 40WH each
2nd step see if split positive configuration can increase the WH count delivered to the load. Does this circuit extend the power in the batteries, does it in fact recycle joules of energy?

[BroMikey]

Turion is this the system setup in your video? 350 volts dc

The drawing says to create power with so my guess is that Dave has been going from 12v to 120v by the use of converters in a way that is not just split positive. The potential difference is the key when you see 24v to 12v go to 24v to 120v.

Other than those thoughts I have no clue. A while back it was suggested that boost and buck converters might balance out a system recycling power and that you could get a node where power burns but the batteries don't drop very much

Think of the potential difference of 24v to 350v. If Dave is getting 50watts going from 24v to 120v then going up to 350v could triple his output.

How a circuit can use 350v might be to string 3 bulbs together in series. He needs to do the tests first and he has not done them.

[BroMikey]

Excess energy in the form of Watt Hours as counted by the meters. We will soon have an answer when we reach 80WH

This is the 5th run since yesterday.

[Turion]

Wantomake, back in the day. LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1awHf4PMizE&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE5rzLVNQD4

[BroMikey]

Still running. conventionally run packs were 36wh plus 4wh circuit loses times two = 80wh total.

This is still running showing 98wh and climbing

Edit...109wh finish

[braden]

Apologies if this has been posted!!
But can this be so easy or is it a fraud?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOV_Js59BHY

[BroMikey]

Apologies if this has been posted!!
But can this be so easy or is it a fraud?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOV_Js59BHY

Myth busters mockery of free energy invention

[Turion]

Ran my little setup powering 30 watts off a single 8Ah 102.4 Wh battery for 90 minutes at full bright. At the end of that time I connected the Foxsur Lithium battery charger to the battery, and it says the battery is fully charged. It IS running in an electrical loop, taking power out of the source battery and using that power to GENERATE energy, and sending SOME of what was taken out, and SOME of what was generated, all back to the source battery AFTER powering the load. I'm not saying this will run forever, but the fact that I ran 30 watts of load for 90 minutes on this one small battery and my battery charger still indicates it is FULL should be of interest to SOMEONE. So I am going to work my way through a series of setups that get more and more advanced and more and more efficient. But this is the BEST I can do with a single battery. I have NOT provided a schematic for this setup, but I have shown everything you need to know to figure it out for yourself. If I DO post a schematic, I will start a separate thread so as not to hijack this one with something that has NOTHING to do with motors OR generators.

[BroMikey]

Okay I have a statement to make on the conclusion of the 3BGS I recently tested. The two 40 wh li ion batteries did an excellent job ang gave 40 wh and took 40wh to charge while connected to a 4-5watt load for a run time of 18 hours. This is how much was in the new batteries.

Next I used the same two 40 wh batteries in a split the positive circuit and was able to get a run time of 22 hours and 109wh. It is required that you rest between charging, I did not. It took something like 9-11 runs meaning each run you remove and rotate batteries around.

The conclusion is that some circuits can extend run time or can recirculate some of the energy. By normal standards such a system would only be considered a power waster because seemingly a 3rd battery is being charged while running a load in another branch. Conventional ideology says that out of the 80wh offered my load should come up short as compared to a standard run.

For whatever the reason this circuit did the opposite giving up more to the load while charging a 3rd battery. However impractical this proves that we don't know what is causing it to produce more which is theoretically impossible.

See video's above where a baseline watt hour was established discharging to exactly 11v and charging up to exactly 12.3v for the li ion packs. Calculations were made as to how much the watt meters consumed as well as the converter with it's powerful LED read out, In each test the same standard applied.

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[Turion]

Turion is this the system setup in your video? 350 volts dc is enough to cook with. Lol!

No, that was just a schematic to show that you can get the voltage output to do some things with. The higher the voltages you work with the more efficient some things become.


The setup I am running on my bench right now is not the setup in the video I sent you either. That was a two battery setup running 50 watts. Right now I am running 30 watts on just a single battery looped system to see if it will hold with that much load. If not, I may have to drop down to 20 watts, or maybe 25.

Just for fun, I added another 30 watts and it ran, but I don't know if it will hold the battery voltage and I didn't have time to run a test. But it sure made me happy to see three more bulbs light up.

[Turion]

For whatever the reason this circuit did the opposite giving up more to the load while charging a 3rd battery. However impractical this proves that we don't know what is causing it to produce more which is theoretically impossible.

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After all this time and all the explaining I have done about how and why this works: "we don't know what is causing it to produce more" LOL