Motor Generators

[Rakarskiy]

At the risk of getting too involved, which I'd rather not be, Rakarskiy is correct that the effects of mutual induction need to be avoided in closed circuit machines, non-inductive windings are relevant to that, though they can't be used alone since they generate almost no voltage potential if at all.

Dealing with EMF induction, in generators with core, where windings are wound on rods or stacked in a slot, dealt with transformers as well.
The direct Mutual induction between the wires has nothing to do with the transformer EMF formula. The transformer EMF formula is used in generators.
Unfortunately Faraday, studying with his coil, could not see it, he encountered all kinds of inductions and they do not want to understand it being in illusions of electronic version of electricity.

The link has a pdf file of my article about this point in my research.

Invention of the electromagnetic generator | Patreon

[Rakarskiy]

A good motor is a bad alternator, and vice versa a good alternator is a bad motor. The EMF generated by reactive consumers interferes with the operation of the generator rather than adding power to it. By the way, the question of the substitutability of the motor and generator for a DC circuit, I have partially considered in my work. I touched a little on the nature of self-induction.

https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2018/12/1935.html?m=1

[bistander]

At the risk of getting too involved, which I'd rather not be, Rakarskiy is correct that the effects of mutual induction need to be avoided in closed circuit machines, non-inductive windings are relevant to that, though they can't be used alone since they generate almost no voltage potential if at all.

Hi JR,
Please do involve yourself.
You mean by "effects of mutual induction" armature reaction?
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[bistander]

Hi. A permanent magnetic field, more specifically magnetic flux induction, is produced by a permanent magnet or electromagnet that has a constant excitation current. A variable electromagnet also creates magnetic flux in the core but ... there's a lot of buts.

Must be a language difference, but I fail to see how one can consider the magnetic field resulting from a current through a coil permanent. So your "electromagnet that has a constant excitation current" is a better description, where constant implies "unchanging for a time period" and permanent means forever. But aside from language, what about and induction motor driven faster than synchronous speed? It becomes a generator having no DC excitation or permanent magnets. Even the car alternator having a DC field constantly varies the excitation for regulation. I fail to see your point anyway. Generators and motors are basically the same. Some engineering differences may happen for application specific reasons, but the fundamentals and design are the same.
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[JenkoRun]

At the risk of getting too involved, which I'd rather not be, Rakarskiy is correct that the effects of mutual induction need to be avoided in closed circuit machines, non-inductive windings are relevant to that, though they can't be used alone since they generate almost no voltage potential if at all.

[Rakarskiy]

Hi. A permanent magnetic field, more specifically magnetic flux induction, is produced by a permanent magnet or electromagnet that has a constant excitation current. A variable electromagnet also creates magnetic flux in the core but ... there's a lot of buts.

[bistander]

All electromagnetic generators have a rotating permanent magnetic field. Generator EMF is induced under certain conditions. If the excitation has an alternating field, you get a transformer, which is a priori just a transmitter. There is a MEG project, which almost nobody has launched as a generator. There is also Figuera, with which there are only legends. In order to properly run all three machines in generator mode, it is necessary to make the system generate EMF from the change of magnetic field without the influence of interscroll mutual induction. So everything has to be designed correctly, starting with an accurate knowledge of the magnetic system. I have figured it out and I am absolutely not hiding it from anyone.

Rakarskiy,
Better have another coffee. You say "All electromagnetic generators have a rotating permanent magnetic field."
Permanent magnetic field infers a magnetic field established by using a permanent magnet. Most electromagnetic generators do not contain PMs (permanent magnets).

As for your theories, IMHO, they are wrong. Any electromagnetic motor can be used as a generator, when properly excited. In fact, when a motor is running developing mechanical power, it is generating electrical potential, which opposes the electrical source.
Opinions make the place interesting.
Regards.
bi

[Rakarskiy]

All electromagnetic generators have a rotating permanent magnetic field. Generator EMF is induced under certain conditions. If the excitation has an alternating field, you get a transformer, which is a priori just a transmitter. There is a MEG project, which almost nobody has launched as a generator. There is also Figuera, with which there are only legends. In order to properly run all three machines in generator mode, it is necessary to make the system generate EMF from the change of magnetic field without the influence of interscroll mutual induction. So everything has to be designed correctly, starting with an accurate knowledge of the magnetic system. I have figured it out and I am absolutely not hiding it from anyone.

[bistander]

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Another mutual acquaintance of ours, if he heeded the recommendations a little, would have obtained a similar effect even earlier than the garage foreman (we are talking about the device).
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Is this what/who you mean?

#777
June 20, 2022, 04:56:29 PM
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 20, 2022, 04:09:17 PM

NEWS FLASH DIRECTLY FROM HOLCOMB!
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HES's reply: "That refers to ur old patents. currently both the ILPG and self sustaining unit only use AC. "

from ou.com
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#786
June 21, 2022, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: Beginners Mind on June 20, 2022, 04:09:17 PM

NEWS FLASH DIRECTLY FROM HOLCOMB!

Immediately after making my above post describing the pulsed coils referenced in the HES patents and patent applications, I checked the HES Instagram page and found the following game-changing reply to a question I posted to them.

My question to HES about their In Line Power Generator (ILPG): "Does the ILPG convert the AC input to a sequence of DC pulses which creates a rotating magnetic field in electrical steel like your self-running generators? Or does the AC input create the rotating magnetic field without being converted to DC first?"

HES's reply: "That refers to ur old patents. currently both the ILPG and self sustaining unit only use AC. "

The ramifications of this are tremendous! It now makes much more sense why they call their ILPG configuration a stator - stator. Is it possible the rotating magnetic field created by one of the stators is generated somewhat like the AC-created rotating magnetic field in the stator of a slip ring induction motor?

Understanding the latest Holcomb tech now boils down to understanding how they wired both "stators." WAY simpler than all that sequentially pulsed DC!




I told you guys ;D ;D ;D
3 phase balanced signal into locked rotor of slip ring motor.
Next lesson: don't expect any OU from this anyway.


Cheers,
Pix


PS.
Pssst. Don't tell this to Ufopolitics and rakarskiy
pmgr

Re: Holcomb Energy Systems:Breakthrough technology to the world
#787
June 21, 2022, 02:05:54 PM
Well, at least the discussion between UfoPolitics and Bistander regarding using switched DC or AC to generate a rotating magnetic field should be resolved. Both work.

from ou.com
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And he still doesn't believe in the 3ph AC RMF. He continues with electronic synthesis of moving field. Barring some setback, he is nearing demonstration. Watch it on his forum. I wish him success. He may well have his moving magnetic field in a motionless device, finally, but will not find OU.

Speaking of Ufopolitics, I appreciate greatly his efforts to make available ou.com archives.
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[Rakarskiy]

I agree that measuring the amperage in several parts of the circuit would be 100% proof. By the way, the dead battery at the garage foreman acted as a capacitor to smooth out impulses. Take a battery, power it with a motor with an alternator that is supposed to charge the same battery and see if the voltage on the battery rises. To the guy who sent me this video with the question, I explained everything even advised to put a well charged battery with ammeters in the circuit and repeat the experiment. Unfortunately I do not have more information.

About our mutual acquaintance, I told him a long time ago that all his statements are wrong. Time has simply put things in their proper place. But the solid-state rotor technology for electromagnetic generators is very workable, but unfortunately scaling is not an easy task. It is not easy for this generator to work with a direct network of consumers. It is easier to make a charger or a direct power amplifier as with the object with air conditioners.

Another mutual acquaintance of ours, if he heeded the recommendations a little, would have obtained a similar effect even earlier than the garage foreman (we are talking about the device).
The principle is described in detail in my material at the link below. Holcomb solved the problem of controlling solenoid switching with solid state valves.

Wise Eye OverUnity: Electric generator with solid state magnetic rotor. (rakatskiy.blogspot.com)

[bistander]

Dear bistander, where have you seen a battery supplying a circuit with a voltage greater than its initial charge? A battery has only two modes - charge (load) and discharge (source), as you correctly point out. In fact, we see that the voltage in the circuit has increased when the device is running and the battery can no longer function as a source. Everything else is pulling a condom over a globe to pass off the globe as a balloon. Too bad the guys don't learn, they had a chance to make a worthwhile device. As it is, this is just an episode showing that the claims of physicists and sycophants are not true in the system of building electromagnetic generators.

As you can see, Holcombs is still alive and well and continues his activities in the USA. The orthodox physicists (including the sycophants of the system) cannot do anything about his activity.

Rakarskiy,
A simple photo of a multimeter voltage reading is a poor indicator of State of Charge of a battery. I don't trust that whole experiment. If it is truly overunity, then present proof with an uncluttered bench and remove the battery as I suggest. Show conclusively no other sources. Let it run for weeks. Bring in experts to verify it. Collect your Nobel Prize. Retire.
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BTW, our courts will do something about Holcomb, eventually.

BTW2, where's SolarLab? Holcomb's supporter with his LinGen and computer proofs? Hiding, embarrassed, shamed?

[Rakarskiy]

Dear bistander, where have you seen a battery supplying a circuit with a voltage greater than its initial charge? A battery has only two modes - charge (load) and discharge (source), as you correctly point out. In fact, we see that the voltage in the circuit has increased when the device is running and the battery can no longer function as a source. Everything else is pulling a condom over a globe to pass off the globe as a balloon. Too bad the guys don't learn, they had a chance to make a worthwhile device. As it is, this is just an episode showing that the claims of physicists and sycophants are not true in the system of building electromagnetic generators.

As you can see, Holcombs is still alive and well and continues his activities in the USA. The orthodox physicists (including the sycophants of the system) cannot do anything about his activity.

[bistander]

Dear bistander, you are either misrepresenting yourself or trying to mislead. A battery is a DC source that both receives charge and gives it away. That is, when it receives a charge, it is as much a load in the circuit as a commutator motor and rotary solenoids. This means that when the battery receives a charge (increasing the voltage from the source value), it becomes a load. The source at that point is the alternator phases. This is the real moment of self-movement of the system in a closed loop.

Mr. Rakarskiy,
A battery in a circuit can be a source OR a load, but not both at the same time. It can either "receive" charge OR "give it away". But not simultaneously.

You say once started, the circuit delivers charge to the battery. This is impossible on a continuous basis. To prove it, simply disconnect the battery while it is running. If the source was the "alternator phases", as you say, then the charge once delivered to the battery will be "received" by the lamp and motor, and circuit continues to function.

But it is obvious to one skilled in the science, this will cause the circuit to cease. Thereby proving the battery is the source. Try it.

Or if you feel the need for a buffer in the circuit, use a capacitor.
bi

[Rakarskiy]

Dear bistander, you are either misrepresenting yourself or trying to mislead. A battery is a DC source that both receives charge and gives it away. That is, when it receives a charge, it is as much a load in the circuit as a commutator motor and rotary solenoids. This means that when the battery receives a charge (increasing the voltage from the source value), it becomes a load. The source at that point is the alternator phases. This is the real moment of self-movement of the system in a closed loop.

[bistander]

bistander , there's no stopping you from visiting Holcomb Energy Systems headquarters, you're in America. There's an old saying ‘it's better to see once than to hear a hundred times’. By the way, the best way to be sure of the reality of a device or its ‘...’. These guys' games with the system of power do not interest me. I can say for sure that mass-dimensions of mechanical generator and Holcomb generator for the same output power will be different (Holcomb should be bigger). This is all just in line with electrodynamics and magnetism of electric machines.

One garage craftsman once got a proper construction, very flimsy but working just on the same effect as Holcomb generator.

Electromagnetic generator, without rotation of the magnetic rotor in self-propelled mode. | Patreon

The only difference is that Holcomb has programme control through semiconductor valves instead of collector-switching control.

Yes, the experience with a dead battery is not very good in case of non-professional measurement system. But even in this variant it is absolutely clear for a specialist that there is a source in the system which is able to switch the commutator motor, to excite the solid-state rotor electromagnets and to have the ability to keep the voltage in the network higher than the initial voltage of the dead battery.

Hi Rakarskiy,
Below is copied from links in your post. When running with the three switches closed (conducting), simply remove the battery. It ceases to run. It is not autonomous. Neither is Holcomb's contraption. I'm disappointed you believe them.
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