Motor Generators

[lotec]

Ive used nuts , bolts and steel threaded rod as core material. With just 1 core the prime mover couldnt break the magnetic lock and its input power nearly doubled. So I used the thinnest stainless rod i could find 4 or 5 mm and wound a neat coil of plastic coated steel garden tie wire 20mm diameter and used that as the core.

The prime mover broke the lock, used a fraction of the additional power, and the same genrator coil made heaps more power.

Im that happy with them i will be using them for the duration.

Cheers

These coils maybe ok for short coils, but noticed that when longer lengths of the core material were used, reluctance losses came into play. Probably better to use the wire lenght wise the way Mr Bedini, Turion and others do. Originally intended to study the effect of eddies.

Working on 6 pole, bipolar rotor to introduce to Briggs and Straton lawnmower magneto . Going old school.
Cheers

[BroMikey]

yes, you don't want a long core and the wrong core material. The number we want of tape to roll up metal cores cheap is 1k107. This puts us in the 5000 range not 200. Good to hear old school. Theoretical a weed whip 2 cycle engine is big enough to generator a few thousand watts. The gas motor only must pull the rotor weight. No other drag is part of this calculation so this is infinite.

These coils maybe ok for short coils, but noticed that when longer lengths of the core material were used, reluctance losses came into play. Probably better to use the wire lenght wise the way Mr Bedini, Turion and others do. Originally intended to study the effect of eddies.

Working on 6 pole, bipolar rotor to introduce to Briggs and Straton lawnmower magneto . Going old school.
Cheers

[lotec]

Thanks for the info
regards

[Turion]

Bro,
January of 2014 is when I made the first video of an early version of the generator. I just watched Matt's ORIGINAL VIDEO and it is from December 8, 2014, so that's when I started on this. I have changed wire size since then, added another SIX magnets to the rotor, and increased the THICKNESS of the magnets x 3, the RPM is increased just a bit. I also added another 1,200 FEET of wire to the coils. All those changes add up to the output of the CURRENT generator coils. Since each additional coil causes NO INTERACTION with the motor, which means NO increased amp draw to get an output, NO interaction with the magnets on the rotor due to magnetic neutralization, and just plain INCREASED OUTPUT POWER, it is ALL about the math, despite what bistander said. This video shows that the coil under load does NOT cause the motor to slow down. It shows that SAME coil providing 130 volts AC at .54 amps.

You pay to turn the rotor with however many magnets you put on it. THAT IS ALL YOU PAY FOR. (Almost!) In my case that is 24 volts at about 13 amps or about 312 watts. There IS a cost, no matter how perfectly I build this machine to put all 12 coils in place. but it is still less than 400 watts to run it, which is as I claimed. The coils put out what they put out depending on how you wind them, the magnet thickness, number of magnets and rpm of the rotor. The machine in the first video could BARELY turn the rotor with TWO coils in place since it did NOT have magnetic neutralization in place. It put out around 140 watts, so was not great, but it SHOWED me that I could get the output I was looking for. It only took about three more years to figure out the magnetic neutralization and incorporate it into future designs. Anyway, here it is. This video was made for MATT, not you guys. He already knew what it took to turn the motor. 40 watts with only TWO magnets on the rotor. BUT according to bi, doesn't make ANY difference how many magnets you have. Once you are "up to speed" there is no effect. But then he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about since he has never built a machine. But you guys keep listening to him. I'm sure he has lots of free energy devices he will share with you. LOL

This was filmed in 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgWY3MaTHeA&t=5s

Matt's original machine put out about 70 watts and ran on 40 watts. The one in this video put out 140 watts, but I don't remember what it cost to run. The idea was to run the motor between the output of the generator and the battery. Thus keeping the battery charged. The output of a couple coils did that fairly easily as I remember, once the voltage was stepped down and rectified. We knew we had it then. Still do.

I looked for this video, and it wasn't on my YouTube channel, which kind of freaked me out. But then I remembered I have an old YouTube channel under the "Turion" name that has a whole bunch of videos, and it was there. All those videos were marked "Private" and I am in the process of converting them to 'Unlisted". If there are any of the generator (I know there are a BUNCH) that are worth watching, I will post the links here. Some are of really OLD versions of the generator, but not as old as this one.

Here's a video of one of the EARLIER versions of the generator. This was filmed a YEAR earlier in 2013. The coil mounts in this version didn't work at all. As you can see, the magnetic lock is pretty strong. You know, that thing that bistander says "makes no difference" when the rotor is at speed. As you will notice, the guy in the video has no idea how to connect a motor to this machine. He learned. I have learned a lot. That's why there are so many versions of the generator. It didn't need three rotors. It only needed one. Same output, lower cost. Lots of changers over the seven years I worked on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J994dnYMKFA

In this video I demonstrate that putting a coil under load does not slow the machine down. In fact it speeds the machine up.
I show that one coil outputs 130 volts at at .45 amp, or 58 watts, so even with the lighter weight rotor that only had HALF the magnets on it, and the INFERIOR coils, the machine, with 12 coils, was capable of outputting 842 watts. What would STOP it from doing that? Lenz? Nah, I just showed Lenz is outrun by this machine. Magnetic drag like in the second video? Nah, Greyland demonstrated spinning the rotor on the CURRENT machine with one finger with 12 coils in place.

You saw in a prior video I used 24 volts at 13 amps to run the CURRENT machine with 12 coils in place. So that would cost me less than 400 watts.Now I have bigger coils and more magnets on the rotor.

The only question is, how much MORE than those old coils do the new ones put out. The answer is they output about 156 watts. But there are TWICE as many magnets on the rotor, the RPM is a little higher, there is 600 more feet of wire on the coil, and the windings are much tighter.

If you still cannot see that all this is possible, I feel bad for you.

[BroMikey]

Hey Dave how are things going? I ordered a 1/4" thick 14" dia stainless plate yesterday. Annular cutter next.
I want to make a bigger one. The cancellation too. Ribbon will be here soon. Wire and magnets here I come. My biggest obstacle (in my mind) is which framing material to go with. I like composites of eglass. I am looking for a 1-1/4" shaft hub made of stainless and a shaft too. Just a matter of time. There is no reason to feel bad, if it wasn't for you I would never have gotten this far with any kind of confidence. You will always be the man.

Just because I trash you every once in a while doesn't mean I am ungrateful. I was hoping you would get tough and bust out your big machine before you cash in your chips. Don't wait like Don Smith where he could barely talk in his 80's. Either way I won't let you off.

[Turion]

Greyland is kind of down and out right now, recovering from the stroke he had. Still in therapy. My big generator is at his place several hours away. So showing it is not in the cards as we are staying home during this pandemic. My x has tested positive so it has hit close to home.

I have machines here, but getting one back together has proved difficult. I don’t have a “safe” rotor with no magnets sticking out, so until I solve that problem I am not even trying to get one running. With no machinist to make sure that holes drilled align things perfectly, it is proving to be very challenging. When things hit things at high speed it is not pretty. I survived ONE of those incidents and have no desire to risk another just to prove a point when I already have working prototypes of things with NO moving parts that can be scaled up. Risking an eye to show an obsolete generation device is just not worth it to me.

https://youtu.be/0iHy2w0rK6M

Here is a video showing that it cost 7.7 amps to run the machine at FAR more than the 2800 RPM on 36 volts. That’s 277 watts. In the video above, I show the output of a coil at 2/3 that speed as over 50 watts. I also show when you UNLOAD a coil EXACTLY like that coil, the machine slows down. If you put 12 of them on the machine, would you not get 12 times the output? Would 12x 50 NOT equal 600? Would that NOT be more out than in, even with those old coils? Lenz is outrun as the video in the post above CLEARLY shows.

So what would prevent you from doing EXACTLY that? I’ll tell you. Magnetic drag. You know, that thing bistander says makes “no difference”. Every coil you add increases the mass of core material you must move your rotor past. I tried bigger motors. Burnt them up. I tried kick starting the machine by firing all the coils at once as motor coils. That had lots of potential, and I was moving in that direction until I saw the patent on magnetic neutralization.

The ability to outrun Lenz and the ability to neutralize what I call “magnetic drag” are the two keys to a machine that does what you want it to.

https://youtu.be/NUvZjPa08fw


In this video I show that adding six coils to the machine increased the amp draw from 7 amps to over 16. That’s more than DOUBLE. But according to bistander, it “makes no difference”. Imagine what happens when you add six MORE coils. According to bi, that won’t make any difference either. Here’s what really happens despite what bistander says. The amp draw rises above the rated amp draw for the motor, and it burns it up. With magnetic neutralization in place the amp draw stays down around 12-13 amps. I can also tell you that as you add more coils, the new one increases the motor amp draw MORE than the previous one did and when you are above about four coils that difference starts to get interesting.

Now there is another effect magnetic drag has besides increasing the amp draw. You can see in the two videos that the RPM of the rotor went down considerably when more coils were added. What do you think THAT does to generator coil output? Do you believe as bistander does that THAT makes no difference too? Do you REALLY?

How do I KNOW all this stuff? Because I actually BUILD things. I do not sit on my butt like bistander, assuming my textbook learning is the golden rule. He doesn’t know SQUAT about these machines because he doesn’t build anything. He opens his mouth and criticizes the work of others that he knows NOTHING about. But go ahead and listen to him instead of learning for yourselves. You get what you deserve. Yes, I have made a great number of mistakes. Some of them have made me appear not to know much, but SOME of them have led to amazing discoveries. I’m happy with exactly where I am and what I know.


Now I have presented FACTS. It’s true I haven’t shown input and output of the machine. It may well be a while before that happens and it may NEVER happen. But all the FACTS and data you need are in what I have shown. I have done everything I can to make this easy for the next guy. What you do with it is up to you. I am NOT RESPONSIBLE for what you do. I have done what I am capable of doing to move this project forward. Despite what you may think, I have an actual life with other responsibilities.

I am moving on from this forum. Many of you have my email. dvd.bowling@gmail.com. I will be happy to answer questions but I am done arguing with idiots.

[BroMikey]

Thank you David, I am happy to see your project operating, that says more than you know. It makes it obvious that it will do what you say based on all of the highly machined fixtures. Nobody would make such a claim without putting their money where their mouth is. I decided to use a 1-1/4" shaft so the heavy rotor does not bend it. All thread is Micky mouse (trash, Trash) just kidding we love you for your efforts.

[Turion]

One of the reasons I am no longer concerned with the progress on this thread is that I was contacted by someone with TONS of experience with motors and generators. He is actually in the management of a company that specializes in motors and generators, so he might know a thing or two. He is the individual who came to Greyland's shop and SAW the generator running. He was impressed enough that he will be incorporating the magnetic neutralization into the prototype he is building. His budget is a little more than mine, O Machine.jpg

[BroMikey]

Wow that is a crazy cool setup, You are confusing the money it cost you for mechanical experience. Much cheaper and more durable. You are a great guy who is a freakin genius, that is what we needed you for.

[BroMikey]

It is very clearly a higher amp draw, going from 7-8 amps 36v without coils then all the way up to 17amps at 36v with 6 coils. Proof is in the pudding.

[wantomake]

To all; sorry to get off topic.
Turion,
The 3BGS battery switching you and Matthew was working on, did it prove fruitless?

I never did follow up with any part of that process with the 3bgs. I did notice the topic was closed after 300+ pages.
If you don't answer that's ok. Your silence will be my answer.

wantomake

[Turion]

Wantomake,

Sending you a PM.

[BroMikey]

To all; sorry to get off topic.
Turion,
The 3BGS battery switching you and Matthew was working on, did it prove fruitless?

I never did follow up with any part of that process with the 3bgs. I did notice the topic was closed after 300+ pages.
If you don't answer that's ok. Your silence will be my answer.

wantomake

Dave says he can power a small city with a tiny battery, someday, down the road, pretty soon. It's almost ready but he needs a number of years to be sure is his response so he doesn't give out false hopes. Another 10? Well it was suppose to be last year, no one remembers.

As far as I know Dave told me he is working on it, Dave wants to keep this quiet for now since he said he would already have it.Tell'em Dave it will be soon.

[BroMikey]

If you are in the boating industry and need this for Groco valve backing plates we also have those available drilled and tapped ............
This stuff is fireproof and incredibly strong. It would not even burn with a Map gas torch blasting it from an inch away and as soon as torch removed flame went out.

[BroMikey]

Dave says he can power a small city with a tiny battery, someday, down the road, pretty soon. It's almost ready but he needs a number of years to be sure is his response so he doesn't give out false hopes. Another 10? Well it was suppose to be last year, no one remembers.

As far as I know Dave told me he is working on it, Dave wants to keep this quiet for now since he said he would already have it.Tell'em Dave it will be soon.

I know and remember that the way it works is to create a potential difference. Hum where have we ever heard this? You have to do a balancing act type, ring around the rosy keeping a load fed all the while. If you do this long enough and play with it round the clock you'll begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel Feel better? This is all we have to go on so far. If other details surface I will let everyone know. Recall your 3 battery (3BGS) generating systems. Replace the motor AND the generator with inverter charge pump circuits and proceed to do a recirculating loop of differential/ potential juggling while a load is draining off energy. If you get it just right, lo and BEHOLD the load gets power and the system voltages does not decline. If the load is not big enough the system voltage/power will increase and become out of balance, more load must be pulled to maintain the equilibrium. If the load is to big the system balance will not be maintained and the process fails.

These are the only facts we have been given year to date in the last 10. No working proto has emerged as was promised but I have high hopes that in a few years one could. Stay tuned and keep your hard hat close.