Motor Generators

[BroMikey]

Also on time changes with larger faced magnets vs a narrower magnet with equal amounts of flux that the coil can use. The shorter the on time of the thinner more cylinder shapes gives more of a spike wave where broad faced hockey puck shaped produce a more rolling wave. A greater on time= more power at a lower freq and a greater number of magnets increase freq and cuts on time. One is not better, it is a matter of conversion. design it the way you want.

[Turion]

0461EB25-4F70-416C-AAC5-EDBC72001C68.jpeg Things are about to get interesting. Whenever I have talked about my generator and quoted inputs and outputs I have quoted numbers from the original machine that had 6 of the 2” x 1/4” neos on the rotor and 12 coils each with 3 strands of 1000’ of number 23 AWG and it sped up under load at 2800 RPM.

That machine we were never able to keep running more than a few hours at a time and it was very frustrating for me. Tons of just mechanical design issues. I had many things I wanted to test. I had new rotors made that had twice as many magnets, half the diameter, but twice as thick. And another rotor with still thicker magnets. As we burnt up coils, which we did several times, I wound new coils. The heat in the cores has always been an issue. I wound like three different sets with only 3 strands, but after finding the Tesla patent I wound some with six strands of wire, some with 12, and finally a couple with 24. So it DOES speed up under load at 2800 RPM, but the newer coils reduce that required RPM.

The new development is Greyland has gotten some help, and has finally gotten the machine running with all 12 coils running loads. According to him, it is putting out 220 volts per coil to the load, but he didn’t measure amps. It can’t be more than 1.5 amps because there are still only three strands of wire regardless of how many are wound in parallel. But this DOES allow for some changes in wiring configuration which would lower the voltage and raise the amps. The main thing is they finally have all the bugs worked out and it SEEMS to be running.

I will finish putting the magnets in the rotor of my new machine today. That is the only really difficult part of putting it together. I should have it all together today and can start testing in the next few days. I am shooting a series of videos that show the assembly process with all the tips and tricks I have learned the hard way. I will post the first one today about putting magnets in the rotor and how to do that safely.

Oh, and the guy who built this for me ALREADY has his together and just needs coils. So there will be 3 of these machines out there and possibly a 4th. Someone took me up on my offer and I am sending them almost all the parts they need to put a machine together.

I wonder what will happen when there are 4 of us saying this works? Won’t that be interesting?

https://youtu.be/UvXVMo19mTc

Oh, MAJOR mistake!!! One of the little plastic spacers was stuck to the bottom of a magnet when I pounded it into the hole. So the magnet sticks out and now I have to get that neodymium OUT of there. That will be a project in itself!! Plus order a replacement magnet. I ma have to drill through the center magnet and drive the big Neo out the other side to get all the 'junk" out of the hole that is magnetically attracted, and just insert Three new magnets. This project may take a while since I am ordering the magnets now, and can't find a bit that will drill through that neodymium.

[alexelectric]

Always very interesting all the updates that Mr. Dave does not show and comments, it is as if we were there watching him do his work.
In the video where he shows how he is inserting the magnets and how he tries to displace the remaining battery, you can see how it was attracted again by the other magnet, and how he made the effort to remove it again, I want to comment that this problem occurs with these Magnets so powerful, the way I remove them, I made some levers with wood and at one end I made a semi circle, in this way I push the magnets.

From his new machine, Mr. Dave, you can see everything already an industrial construction, the photos that he showed us, and how good they are already replicating it.

In my case I am also in with its replica in a more modest, but functional way, I still use 2 "magnets, for the incorporation of another coil and I am making the neutralizing magnet bases more secure, I have not bought the new magnets, I am in wait to see which measures will be the best performing.

I hope to share with you my replica soon, and simple to test concepts, that's how it begins, you see how many replicas it has, how much it has learned, how much experience it has accumulated in its construction and operation,

Mr. Dave's project is important and interesting, it shows characteristics and effects, which can improve the obtaining of energy, has his personal stamp on the study and practice that Mr. Dave has done.

Besides, I see that you can have improvements in magnetic neutralization, but you have to experiment with other options, but I'll tell you about that, since you have finished the simple replica of the project, from the simple to the most advanced.

My respect and admiration for all those who design, experiment and build in the quest to improve energy devices, and especially to Mr. Dave, thank you for sharing

[BroMikey]

This is going to be the same for Dave's machine. 1 input with little increase of decrease while continuing to add more loads. Transmission line theory explained here. The first regenx coils were produced by Muller by winding the length of a coil then stretch the wire back to the beginning and continue. This Muller method did not allow for making connections later, however he had no breaks in the wire and we all know how John Bedini stressed the importance of wires not broken when making coils. Unless you think there is no radiant? Something to think about. Of course this has all been a secret.

In case some of you nervous old hens did not understand Thane because of the noise he said coil test 1 uses a conventionally wound generator type delivering 9 watts to the load (dim) with the drive motors dragging down and consuming 9 watts.

generator coil #2 started at the same drive input (Look at clear video) loaded at 60 watts (Bright) the drive motor stays same speed and input drag slightly less. Now explain to me how this is possible. Engineers are unable to examine the criteria with a clear head. What a mess.


Transmission Line Theory

[Turion]

What are you trying to do, Bro, mike bi's head explode? He cannot accept ANY of this as reality. Don't you know that? Doesn't matter how many people say it is true. My feeling is, and always has been, that people who do not build this stuff for themselves get exactly what they deserve.

Neutral coils
Magnetic neutralization
Running between the positives.
Understanding that, in the proper circuits, the energy is NOT consumed by the load
Understanding how to "GENERATE" energy in a circuit.
These are the keys to free energy. We HAVE all the answers. We just have to build machines that embody these principles. I said BUILD, not BABBLE about, like bistander.

[BroMikey]

What are you trying to do, Bro, mike bi's head explode?

We have to take it easy on the BYE TYPE'S . He represents the majority of lackey style yes men who wear their university clothing as if this made them into god's. So silly to watch, like the fat girl in the neighborhood who thinks every man is after her.

The cross section of schoolie stoolies out there today are like BYE. Go easy or they might crack.

[Turion]

Remember, if you READ the original Tesla patent, the Coil he developed (you know, one with a core) was to REPLACE the huge bulky capacitors they had back in the day. Are current capacitors big and bulky like that? No they are not. So rather than wind these complicated coils like Thane and I have wound to increase capacitance, you wind your coil however you want and simply add the correct capacitor across the coil. It accomplishes the exact same goal. If I could accurately measure the capacitance of my coils I would not need variable capacitors to “tune” them. There are a few besides me who have tried this and it works. This is NOT rocket science. It is just doing the bench work to understand what is going on. Can this be patented? Maybe. If Thane can patent Tesla’s stuff someone else probably can too.

[adys15]

Nice setup Dave....I tried hooking a capacitor in paralel with the coil and no change....i tried 20 caps diferent values from 1nF to 1mF .what range of capacitance worked for you?.Do you have to run at high rpm?

[Turion]

I honestly don’t remember WHAT value the adjustable cap was set to when I was experimenting. I do know I was completely frustrated that I couldn’t get a consistent capacity measurement out if any of my meters as to what the crap is the capacity of my coil so I could tune them all the same.

Bob French is running a little self running setup right now that charges the battery it runs on and is raising the voltage of that battery. He runs it all day, and then lets it rest for an hour and the voltage is higher than when he started. He uses a battery analyzer to measure the battery also. It isn’t doing any WORK, other than the motor is running, but it is self running. He has one generator coil with a neutralizing magnet. I KNOW he is using the cap across his single generator coil, because I recommended it and it took him a while to find the right one for THAT coil. The capacity increase from a cap for a “neutral” coil is based on several values. The core material, the MASS of the core material. The size of the wire. The number of strands. The length of the strands. The number of strands in series. So rarely will what is right for one coil work for another. I’ll email Bob and see if he remembers the value of the cap he is using. Oh, I just remembered that he sent me a picture, so let me see if I can find it. Yeah. He is using 4 caps in parallel that are 550 picofarads. But that’s for HIS coil and it is a small coil.

Anybody who has a suggestion for a specific kind of instrument for measuring capacitance of a coil please speak up. I’d buy one in a heartbeat to solve a whole raft of issues I’m dealing with.

[alexelectric]

Nice setup Dave....I tried hooking a capacitor in paralel with the coil and no change....i tried 20 caps diferent values from 1nF to 1mF .what range of capacitance worked for you?.Do you have to run at high rpm?

Cheers
I tested capacitors of about 3 mf in series connection with Mr. Dave's 12-wire coil, and the bulb that was connected as a load gave me much brighter, at an approximate speed of 2800 rpm.

[Rakarskiy]

Аlternator autonomous charger and generator of direct and alternating current - YouTube
https://youtu.be/bPkpcP-94Xs

Below the video there is a description in Russian: "Installation based on a car generator from UAZ (14 volts 65 amperes), works as an autonomous charger and as a generator (alternating / direct current)

[BroMikey]

Coils with SELF capacitance because the geometry gives a perfect regulation as winding heat up and changing impedance. A highly specialized circuit might be constructed to bring about the specific values needed and also move small amounts for a non self capacitance coil. When you cook each small change produces a different result. My cookies are burning.

Caps heat up and change value just running power thru them, wire same and self capacitance however tiny needs to be held to an accurate value. Good luck with that.

[adys15]

Thanks so much Dave!i will try with lower value capacitors.But that capacitance will change with the rpm no?

[Turion]

adys15,
Yes, it changes with RPM.

Bro,
For many, many years it was standard practice to use capacitors to eliminate the self inductance in motors. But those capacitors were huge and bulky and would not fit in the motor case. Tesla's patent was to replace those bulky capacitors simply by winding coils in a new way. That's what his patent is all about. I choose to use that SAME principle to wind generator coils with no self inductance, and so did Thaine. Now Thaine is going BEYOND eliminating self inductance to using the coils to accelerated the prime mover. I don't happen to believe in this concept because of what I have seen on the bench. Neutralization, ABSOLUTELY. Acceleration????? Yes, but at a cost that is too great. He may have worked out those bugs. I have not, and don't CARE to even try.

The point is, they were able to use caps to eliminate self induction in motors for YEARS, despite the fact that they heat up. Bob has been running his for a couple weeks all day every day with no problem. I believe it is an air core coil though. So I'm not sure the cap "heating up" from use is taking it outside its effective range. I would be more worried about coils with iron cores heating up the wire to the point that the coating melts and the wires short out, which MIGHT just heat up the capacitor beyond its effective use. But by then the coil is dead anyway. If my generator is ever going to be viable, a topology that does not overheat is going to have to be figured out. But that's not my job. That's for a design engineer and an electrical engineer. All I want to do is prove that what I have been saying is true.

alexelectric,
"Generally" that means there is electricity produced by the flux that there is not enough room in the coils (capacitance) for the wires to store before sending it on. You have given it an additional storage space, and so it is able to provide more energy to the load. I would recommend continuing to add small capacities, if you have any, until you reach the point where the capacitance of the coil is so great it has an effect on the prime mover. In other words, it will eventually cause the motor to speed ups under load at the rpm you are running it, and then you need to back off. You want it neutral, not speeding up the prime mover.

[BroMikey]

Bro,


Now Thaine is going BEYOND eliminating self inductance to using the coils to accelerated the prime mover.

He may have worked out those bugs. I have not, and don't CARE to even try.
,,,,,,, the coating melts and the wires short out,

If my generator is ever going to be viable, a topology that does not overheat is going to have to be figured out..

yes once you see something work and know it is possible to generate power from a coil without extreme drag you just follow the experiment to improve it.

One improvement Thane has among others which I will list now is the rotor design. He went from a few magnets to as high as rotors with 40 poles. With the right size dia (1") using 24 poles this flux pattern greatly CAN lower cogging. Also a "C" core is a mechanical self centering saftey but MORE than that further reduces cogging under the right conditions. I know this is the furthest thing from your mind so I'll say it for others.

The Shock-it circuit also CAN lower the cogging depending on the condition such as... is the system decelerating and how much but also during acceleration the coil collapse is sent back to charge the battery. There is no way to compare your primitive systems to Thanes, since he in an EE who has gone outside the box to do things no one else can follow.

finally or 3rd Thane has given the 500 for next level core material from a block wall adapter transformer. This 500 number is old hat or well know, inexpensive relieves the heat used for slightly higher freq than 60hz, can handle 1000hz. Cores will heat up.

Thane also had heat issues and went to the HT wire along time ago in some of his test models so you are not the only person putting magnets on rotors in the last hundred years only to find all the same things. The designs are found in the marine ship patents built for the past 70 years. Old Old news.

What is not new is that coils are being put around the same rotor designs that can do things thee military patents are not using. RegenX coils or coils designed to assist rotor action which in and of it self lowers heat due to emf field frictions also cogging but whatever semantic set is comfy lets just say much can be done to make this work using many ideas. Once you have seen it work.

Always remember just because you find away to lower cogging doesn't mean you have found a way to collect the energy now available that once fought against the rotor action. You have to get that energy in the wire or you will have heat build up. Take a wall adapter up to 1000hz and tell me how long it lasts on idle, 2-3 minutes tops? Yep same as your problem.

Which ever way you chose to delay the current and voltage. Also "N" "S" motor and gen rotor polarity is the design standard and circuits are already in service, so is Thane's case a choice had to be made.

Cruising speed is a condition where the rotor does not speed up nor slow down, it is at this place that Thane's rig puts out more than it takes, so what's your question?

In our case an all "N" rotor works just fine, the system is way less complicated, no magic boxes and by using cancellation a once obsolete hunk of junk MIGHT become the leading seller with the right tuning. To bad you have a made up mind huh?