Motor Generators

[Turion]

From Matt, back in the day...

Also the AMP draw on a Tesla switch and Battery may be quete a bit different in the case of motor.

The reason primarly is the BEMF on the motor. When you ground a motor to run it both poles will create BEMF. This energy has to be disapated before current will flow. Reducing your actual flow time, and amount of flow. Also reducing the amount of energy actually doing work.

Running on a tesla switch you are only using either pole to run the load and nothing is grounded. BEMF is still being produced. but on a smaller scale and I suspect only on one pole. The pole that is opposite the polarity your on.
So if you are running on the ground side of the battery the North pole attracted part of the motor is making BEMF. This is my Theory I am still building up for testing. A Unipole motor may solve BEMF all together.

I have seen limited amounts of this on my scope in one way tests.
When watching the OUTPUT side of the motor on tesla switch you'll see 2 occilations. One is clear and obviously an ON/OFF wave. The other rises then falls but has both positive and negative spikes indacating BEMF. Depending on what side of the motor I power and what polarity of current I use the wave changes.

Also running test for the long term I have seen My batterries do not maintain the charge.
I have 4 Walmart lawn and Tractors. Hook the motor up straight to the batteries (all 4) in parrallel the motor will run the batteries down in 56 hours. Thats from 13.00 volt to 12.00 volt.
If I run the tesla switch till the batteries are dead (and they do die) it takes about 432 hours.
Thats about 8 times longer of a run.
I've tested the motor and gots docs on it its about 65% efficient when running under 12 volt.
I figure if the Tesla Switch is allowing for 8 time more runtime then I am recollecting about 85 - 90 % percent of the energy, I'm passing through. I know batteries loose maybe 5% percent because they are lead acid. The rest is lost through BEMF in the motor. This is what I am attempting to solve NOW.

So back your question why 250ma one way and 500 the other. Well you have dramatically reduced the amount of BEMF in the way.

The reason it does not feel any more powerful is because of the same thing I do not beleive that Both poles in a conventional motor are doing a full amount of work. So the motor runs slower or less powerful."


Matt

So what happens when you run a Unipolar motor in the CORRECT direction on a Tesla Switch? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQRUclDiruw

[BroMikey]

BroMikey, are these your videos or someone else? If yes, then you're really busy!!

Very funny. Here is yer boy at the old conference. Good luck with that BOW , keep us all up to date on your build.

State of the art ADAMS MOTOR 75% efficient still he is the best so far.

[Turion]

The Best so far? I thought you said the Peter Lindemann Rotary Attraction Motor was COP>1. If so, how is 75% efficient better than that? Or did you mean it's the best ADAMS MOTOR replication so far?

[wantomake]

Has anyone built the Adam's motor with cooling effects on parts of the setup happening? It looks like a good teaching build. Also I want to have this setup in my shop to show and teach my friend. He's learning "free energy" as he has a small solar system in his out building now.

Of course I'm not an expert or even past the backyard hobbyist stage. But I'm learning, and trying to use what I build.

I just started planning a bigger Adam's motor with a large disk with six large 1" magnets that Turion sent me years ago. Lol I almost got fingers caught between two of those monsters. Ouch! !! I can only build with what sources that I have. Knowledge, financial, and time.

I hope someone here can answer the question I opened with. After all the Adam's motor is a motor generator.

[BroMikey]

Or did you mean it's the best ADAMS MOTOR replication so far?

Yes, that is what I see him saying at the conference,your generator does better eff

When I see a video like this I am watching for the builder to tell us if it was a success based on the 800% comparison to the Patrick Kelly Bullzhit/lying data

[Turion]

Well, I can tell you from experience, that little things can make all the difference. I built 6 different models of the Tesla switch, 3 from Matt's publication, and three others with info from other sources. NONE of them did what I wanted them to do. Then Matt sent me a screen shot of what the wave on the scope needed to look like, and POW. Tuned it until THAT wave appeared and success. So it can be little things that are left out of the instructions that make ALL the difference. Who knows what instructions are missing from the P. Kelly stuff. It's a basis for research, and that's about all.

I personally have built a motor that runs off one battery and charges another. It has plenty of torque. I have seen 105% of the input come OUT of the output side, so by rotating the batteries you get a gain and you get motor power while charging a battery bank, as long as you remember to rotate. That is THE best mechanical setup I have ever seen, except for the mechanical Tesla Switch. But I have not built the Lindemann motor. Why would I spend all that money on a precision build of THAT device when I can make the one I am talking about with a drill press and a ban saw. Plus the LIndemann motor is "out there" for everyone to see, and yet we see no mass production of it. WHY is that? There are enough dishonest people around that you would think SOMEONE would take the idea and run with it if it was viable. Why no investors? Why?

Someone said I don't build anything. Here is the Tesla switch setup I have going right now. The transformer pictured is NOT the one I am using, but trying some different transformers and schematics from that point on is what makes it fun. For those who are interested : http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/...e-tesla-switch

If you're going to try and replicate a Tesla Switch, that thread is where you start. This is with the NEW Lithium batteries I just got. I have 9 of them now and need ALL of them for some of the circuits I work with to test the circuit before replacing them with other sources of energy input and/or collection.



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[BroMikey]

Nice setup Dave, no clue. Here is my setup 40 mpg going on 75 mpg for a big truck. I like to run places in a large truck and trailer without putting $50 bucks in every time I go.

[Turion]

Let me clue you in on my thinking. Why do I need a motor? I need it to turn something, because that's about all a motor can do. So the whole reason for having a "super efficient motor" is so that I can CONSERVE ENERGY., and even possibly GENERATE some energy. But either way, the idea is to get out MORE ENERGY than you put in. If I can GENERATE ENOUGH ENERGY, why do I need to CONSERVE any? So all MY attention has turned away from building "efficient motors" to figuring out ways to "generate" energy. Yes, a GREAT motor has the potential to be used as a GREAT generator or both motor and generator at the same time, but what if we can generate by NON-mechanical means? With "free" energy we can run whatever motor we want, no matter HOW inefficient.

Here is ANOTHER transformer, REWOUND with multiple wires on the Primary and multiple Wires on the Secondary. It's just a "bit" bigger than the first little transformer I show. I hope the difference is obvious, and I hope you can understand the principle behind the operation of such a device. I am NOT RUNNING LOADS between the positives with this setup in the "USUSAL" sense. All I am doing is creating a potential difference by putting two batteries in series to send a pulse of energy from a high potential (two batteries in series) to a low potential (two batteries in parallel) THROUGH a piece of wire. That wire just happens to be wound into a coil (that happens to be wound around a core). As the coil collapses, some of the EXTRA energy from the coil collapse travels to the charge battery (the TWO batteries in parallel). Then I put THOSE two batteries in series and send a pulse in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION through a SECOND coil of wire wound around that SAME core. There are losses in the system because of resistance and impedance and blah, blah, blah, but if done correctly the GAIN from the coil collapse can help out with all of those losses.

This rapid DC pulsing of energy simulates an AC input on the primary side of the transformer, so the secondary of the transformer outputs AC electricity ALMOST EQUAL TO what you put in. (Just how efficient ARE modern off the shelf transformers? ---look it up) Since you recover MUCH of what you put THROUGH the primary side, and GENERATE some on the secondary side, what do YOU think you get out of this setup? This energy from the secondary side can be rectified, bucked down, boosted up, twirled in circles, and eventually run through a LOAD to the SAME pair of batteries you happen to be charging at the time. NOW what do you get?

Have I BUILT it? YOU figure it out. Have I RUN it? You figure it out. Do I have THREE MORE of these big transformers under my bench right now? Could be! But this information was given away YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS ago and NOBODY did anything with it except a few of us. Matt GAVE THIS ALL AWAY on the forum. This is a BASIC, BASIC, BASIC setup, and shame on you if you didn't build it at the time and aren't looking at one running RIGHT NOW on your bench. Do you need all these batteries to create potentials? Did you or did you NOT understand the purpose of the BOOST MODULE. If you UNDERSTAND and BELIEVE in the principles, start to apply them. If you do NOT, grab a sandwich and turn on Netflix. Your time would be better spent there.

So why would I be running this OLD setup right now? The answer is, I am ONLY running it to prove the point, AND I wanted to do a demo of the basic circuit for a friend.

TEN days until we get the two versions of the generator back from the machinist, (The old clunker with new shaft and bearings, and the new one with whatever modifications they figured out to eliminate the noise.) So I have time to spend on this. And I am woking on what to do with the energy that comes out of the secondary. Not using EITHER of these transformers for that project, nor am I using a four battery Tesla switch to pulse the primary. I AM using the new Lithium batteries I just got. The principles are the SAME. Understand the principles and apply them. Thinking about Potentials, or is that sandwich and Netflix calling your name?



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[BroMikey]

Apply the principles right damn now? This is the first I heard it. I always thought send a shot to battery 1 thru a tiny coil the dia of an ink pen then back around to all four batteries and bang free tesla switch energy yippee.

But that was my mind freeze/blocking me again. I really love your transformer with those huge conductors. I have some big ones too BTW but I don't have any 16awg wire to rewrap it with. Good idea.

I heard you the first time, very interesting.

is that Chinese for working?

Let me clue..... And I am woking on what to do with the energy

[Turion]

I have said, hundreds of times to run between the positives. Boost modules, inverters, buck modules, motors, TRANSFORMERS.

The "Use for the Tesla Switch thread : http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/...e-tesla-switch was started in 2007. That's 15 years ago it talked about running a transformer between the positives JUST LIKE THIS. TONS of people built replications. John Bedini even participated. And this is the "first you've heard of it"? LOL Matt published a pdf where he showed step by step exactly how to build THREE different versions of the Tesla switch. Two included RUNNING A TRANSFORMER between the positives. The mechanical version would run for 6.5 months on four, 4.5 amp hour batteries. Yes, it ran DOWN, but that was with lead acid batteries, and using the motor as the load rather than a transformer that produces POWER from the secondary. With the transformer versions, he showed running the load on the rectified secondary of the transformer. What he DIDN"T show was running the load BETWEEN the output of the secondary and the primary batteries to circulate that power back to the beginning. Silly boy probably thought people would be smart enough to figure THAT out for themselves since we have said time after time after time to only run loads between the positives unless you have NO CHOICE. He left that step out. I have reposted that pdf COUNTLESS times. The version with transistors is the one I used as a basis for the build in post 3696. This isn't NEW. It's just that nobody powered their house, so they quit. They didn't understand the concepts. They didn't invest the time.

So there was a mechanical version with a rotor, coils and magnets that also supplied the switching for the batteries, a version with SSR's and a version with transistors. The switching speed with transistors can be much faster than either of the other two versions, so I have stuck with that version over the years. But each to his own.

Like I said, I am not using EITHER of those transformers now, but they are great to experiment with. Getting it to run a small load based on its size is no longer the issue. It's how to run the house with a system. I have said like a HUNDRED times that AS SHOWN HERE the TESLA SWITCH works. But solar is cheaper for the power produced. THAT is the problem I'm working on now. Producing MORE power by using what I know works.

And for the last time !! The switch does not charge batteries !! The switch is only a means to an Open Loop Power source (Meaning it is POSSIBLE TO ADD ENERGY TO THE LOOP.

The load will add or subtract energy from the power source.

[BroMikey]

I saw the interaction at the time but did not understand the depths of those circuits. The only circuit I saw used 4 batts and tiny coil playing ring around the rosies. Back then I did a lot of thread skimming.

At the time I had just moved to Kansas and was doing a business restart plus starting a new family. BRB my 14 years old just walked in. Okay, I'm back. The fact is I have not been able to retire at 50 yrs like you giving 100% of all my time and resources to learning and experimenting.

I am glad you did so I would have someone to teach what I did not perceive at the time, there is no shame in that LOL

This is quite a synopsis after the fact. You are becoming a decent instructor. It's the way you talk like "it's all obsolete" or " you can't power your home so it's netflix or bust" and on and on " I don't use these old circuits anymore" or " yes it ran down" and "a tesla switch doesn't use batteries" but I never knew it took 6 months. " blah, blah , blah" just empty words, blowing my train of thought.

I am much more aware now but you have junked all you old obsolete devices, to bad for me huh? I am always late to class, "smokin in the boys room" was always my ruin.

TEN days until we get the two versions of the generator back from the machinist,...the new one with whatever modifications they figured out to eliminate the noise.)

What noise? It wouldn't put out any power you mean because to many magnets with no shielding overlapping fields.

This is what I missed about sending energy around the loop

.......THROUGH a piece of wire. That wire just happens to be wound into a coil (that happens to be wound around a core). As the coil collapses, some of the EXTRA energy from the coil collapse travels to the charge battery (the TWO batteries in parallel). Then I put THOSE two batteries in series and send a pulse in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION through a SECOND coil of wire wound around that SAME core. There are losses in the system because of resistance and impedance ........... but if done correctly the GAIN from the coil collapse can help out with all of those losses.

Not sure you can make gains with all those 65% transformer eff. losses is how my mind works

[BroMikey]

How about this circuit? Don't be a Lunke head, be honest

[Turion]

I don't know what planet you get your transformers from, but they are one of THE most efficient devices in existence. "The transformer's efficiency is generally in the range of 95 – 99 %. The efficiency can be as high as 99.7% for great power transformers with very low wastes."

But think of a Tesla switch as only able to maintain your batteries while running a load that does not exceed the C20 discharge rate of ONE battery. So you need FOUR BATTERIES to get the discharge rate of ONE to do work with. How many batteries do you have to have to run your home? SOLAR IS CHEAPER. It is the LOAD that makes the difference. With boost modules, buck modules, inverters, and transformers there is an OUTPUT or GENERATED ENERGY that is produced while that device is "just kept running" at no cost. LIGHT BULBS running between the positives are a WASTE. They are for show.

Since the TRANSFORMER is THE most efficient of ALL the devices that I have seen that produce power while running, I will stick with it.

IF a TUNED Tesla switch can keep the primary side of the transformer, powered at the C-20 rate, then you can run the secondary power THROUGH a load to the positive of a SEPARATE battery and charge THAT battery while running the load. That is a GAIN and a COP>1 system. Not because of the Tesla Switch, but because of the LOAD. It wouldn't happen WITHOUT the Tesla Switch, but it is the load that gives you GAINS. The TUNED Tesla Switch only allows you to run a load and break even, or worst case, run for a long time before running down. (Some loads can achieve GAINS in a Tesla switch, but I am not going into that here because to get the gain in the Tesla Switch batteries, you LOSE the output of a secondary) Running it the way I have been talking about gives you that charged battery to switch into the system when and IF you need it.

With two more transistors, you can even run the output of the transformer THROUGH the load to the SAME battery that is being charged at THAT time by the Tesla switch. And with the addition of a capacitor across the load, it shouldn't even know that the switching took place. I haven't tried that, but it's not that hard. Just don't know if it would do what I hope it would do. Working on OTHER things right now and no time for THAT.

What I have just described is using the potential difference to give you a LITTLE BIT of extra power. So it shows you start with "P" (for power) and end with "P+"
What happens when you start with "P+"?

[Turion]

How about this circuit? Don't be a Lunke head, be honest

You're asking ME to tell you whether or not something I have never seen before and do not have running on my bench works or not, when even the guy who drew this up says it is theoretical?
LOL
That's my "honest" answer. You want to build something that is SIMPLE and works? Read this: https://energy4all.ru/zpe/books/ts_guide.pdf
Look who wrote it YEARS AGO and it is posted in ALL KINDS OF PLACES on the internet. Including THIS site: http://www.tuks.nl/wiki/index.php/Ma...nesTeslaSwitch. A whole web site dedicated to Matt. Pay SPECIAL ATTENTION to the VEFRY LAST LINE of Matt's that is quoted at the bottom of the post right before the list of links.

If you go there, realize that ALL the YouTube videos have been taken down. Here's one that is still up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pSHDXVoeJM

Now I can tell you that I have worked my way through ALL the information posted in the Use for the Tesla Switch thread, and compiled it into a document that I look at from time to time to REMIND myself of things I should know but have possibly forgotten. Also, because things that were really foggy years ago come into focus now. That thread is WORTH READING, but many of the videos and links no longer work.

JOHN Bedini's first post on the USE FOR THE TESLA SWITCH THREAD:
Tesla Switch

Nali2001,
I do not comment much on the Tesla Switch. However now there is so much discussion on this device I will state the facts.
Ronald Brandt did not invent the switch as he just was trying to figure out what the circuit was that was powering his electric car and why it kept blowing up. He sent me a block diagram of what he thought the circuit was. I built the original solid state circuit using driver transformers for amplifiers. I never had a full discussion with Peter on the switch, I only answered a few questions as I was told to keep my mouth shut as it was real trouble with Ford Aerospace if you know what I mean. The box was running great the whole time until I let a Ford engineer open the box in Sylmar California, I just walked out of the room for a few seconds. When I came back the box was cut apart and a transformer was damaged. The engineer look at me and said I told you it didn't work and you should shut up, nasty guy. What they did not say is they were using it, found this out later.

I will say if you all tried to reproduce it from the diagram floating around that is in the book it could fail because the original diagram has been changed. I made a video of this device soon to be released. I only did this at the request of Tom Bearden. I also will let Rick sell a kit after I know who you are, that includes everybody. I named this device the Tesla Switch for the simple reason that Tesla did do something like this with the four batteries in his mixture sub with robotics. Tesla circuits are negative circuits, after his AC motors. I have corrected the errors and will be posting soon on what you can do with it. When the circuit is built correct it will power loads and charge the batteries.
John Bedini

[BroMikey]

You mean this quote? I remember this pdf from way back and still have a copy somewhere. The thing I like about Matt's pdf is that he does not withhold vital specifications on electronic parts. Most of what is on the web is incomplete you know. No one has the thousands it takes to build Ron's motor nor is there a working prototype after how many years?

I need more that proof of concept which I already know works. I do not have unlimited funds. I have puttered around for decades with somethings of little value with zero return. That is why the motor generators are a good deal.

Show me one working proto and I'll give it some thought. I can not bring myself to burning up more time and resources with no goal. The PDF is a great starters guide, at least you have a decent components list.

So how is the smoke damage treating you? Also you did not answer if you thought the Lunke worked. Looks like the MEG by Beardon? Do you believe in the MEG? HUH, HUH do ya believe?



And yes reusing current is very possible. Grabing extra energy while doing it to recover your loss is also very possible. And I have proven it to myself. You'll have to prove it to yourself. Slow switching is not the answer.

Cheers Matt