Motor Generators

[bistander]

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It is obviously a hoax with hidden batteries in the box. Let's see it light the 980 watts of lamps continually for 8 or 10 hours. A few minutes is all his hidden batteries can support.
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[Rakarskiy]

It is obviously a hoax with hidden batteries in the box. Let's see it light the 980 watts of lamps continually for 8 or 10 hours. A few minutes is all his hidden batteries can support.
bi

Oh yeah, that's his best result. He didn't go any further, he can't control it for more than 15 minutes, the circuit elements burn out. The guy clearly lacks engineering skills - analysis and design. But that's not important at all, the important thing is that the system operates in self-propelled mode for 10 minutes and provides 980 W of consumer load (which, according to "wooden" experts, is impossible).

And if I were him, I would control the battery as a ballast and organize the voltage in the circuit like in a car, 14.4 V. But this requires knowledge and skills.

This is not the first and not the last case when a garage mechanic seems to have luck by the tail, but cannot keep it without special skills.

It's easier to take a ready-made description and a calculation solution.

[bistander]

Rakarskiy,

Over here;

https://overunitymachines.com/index....ic,13.145.html

on post #148;

you said this;

"physicists cannot refute my conclusions, which means that my concept is as tenacious as the one accepted for education with a bunch of mutually exclusive provisions."

First, I doubt there is a physicist who would be unable to refute your conclusions concerning alternator theory.
Second, it is illogical or even absurd to draw the conclusion that you have because the scientific concepts have been proven whereas yours have not.
Thirdly, you accuse education [of alternator theory] teaching "bunch of mutually exclusive provisions." Current state of the art in the field/industry proves your accusation false.
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[bistander]

Oh yeah, that's his best result. He didn't go any further, he can't control it for more than 15 minutes, the circuit elements burn out. The guy clearly lacks engineering skills - analysis and design. But that's not important at all, the important thing is that the system operates in self-propelled mode for 10 minutes and provides 980 W of consumer load (which, according to "wooden" experts, is impossible).

And if I were him, I would control the battery as a ballast and organize the voltage in the circuit like in a car, 14.4 V. But this requires knowledge and skills.

This is not the first and not the last case when a garage mechanic seems to have luck by the tail, but cannot keep it without special skills.

It's easier to take a ready-made description and a calculation solution.

You say
"the important thing is that the system operates in self-propelled mode for 10 minutes and provides 980 W of consumer load".

That is not demonstrated. It runs off hidden batteries for 42 seconds. A cheap inverter powering a small motor and 980 watts of lamps for under a minute. That is not remarkable or even interesting. Why do you even post such crap?
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[Rakarskiy]

https://youtu.be/4czHf166W7s?si=fSh7fUaVlSA6k68x

[bistander]

https://youtu.be/4czHf166W7s?si=fSh7fUaVlSA6k68x

Dear Rakarskiy,
You are wrong. Mechanical power can be converted into electrical power. And vice versa. Generators and motors. Both work on the same principle utilizing the magnetic field. Lorentz describes this. Wikipedia does an excellent job explaining Lorentz Law so I refer you to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force

To the point is the section labeled EMF, copied and pasted below for your convenience.
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[Rakarskiy]

Dear bistander,

The Lorentz force is a mathematical derivative of the Ampere force. The Ampere force does not generate EMF. EMF is generated regardless of whether the generator windings are closed to the load or open. The Ampere force is what is produced from the transformation of EMF. What a strong contradiction you have for a constant? The conditional Lorentz force, if it takes part, is in the direction of closing the line of force of electric induction, with the potential difference (explosion and implosion) into a ring with subsequent transformation into a ring line of force of the magnetic field. This is what happens in a closed electric circuit. It is precisely the Maxwell equation that I rewrote into the equation of electromagnetic induction. ( Wise Eye OverUnity: ELECTRODYNAMICS OVER UNITY * DC MOTORS AND GENERATORS ) I figured it all out for myself, it was for this reason that I was able to solve this problem with generators. And your beliefs, with a bunch of contradictions, are your beliefs.

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For those who doubt, you can check it yourself. Point by point:

1. Find the armature from a DC motor, with a two-pole excitation orientation. The winding must have a sufficient number of turns. It is better from motors with a constant excitation of the field from permanent magnets or an electric motor with self-excitation for 110/220 V. There, the armature winding is designed for less resistance, but has a sufficient number of turns.

2. Find a stator with slots so that your armature fits tightly into the stator without a gap (or with a minimum gap). Provide a uniform gap between the stator and armature bars.

3. Wind the stator winding for a three-phase generator system with two-pole rotor excitation (I think a simple winding mechanism is available online). If you already have a ready winding from a three-phase motor for test starts, use it, but for a generator this is not the best option). Bring the stator winding through a three-phase diode bridge to an adjustable laboratory load for measurements.

4. Make a device for organizing the rotation of the contact brushes around the collector lamellas.
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(I published this drawing on 2022-05-29 )

5. Assemble the circuit without closing in a ring version.

6. Make a start without turning on the load. Select the optimal speed of rotation of the brushes, around the collector at the possible maximum permissible excitation current. Measure the current at startup and in operation.

7. Connect a voltmeter (or better yet, an oscilloscope) to the terminals in front of the diode bridge, measure the maximum EMF. Change the speed of rotation of the brushes and see how the frequency and EMF change.

8. Connect the load in different modes, make the appropriate measurements. Excitation current and EMF level, current in the load.

If you did everything correctly, you will have a current drop in the excitation circuit when connecting the load. You got generation. Then it only remains to calculate the excitation windings and the stator windings to get not a test verification model, but a useful design for generation.

Many will want to remove the mechanical commutation and make an electronic controller. As a rule, this idea fails. In order not to get into trouble and how to design the most optimal design, my material is a Motionless ALTERNATOR.

Motionless ALTERNATOR / Нерухомий АЛЬТЕРНАТОР / ALTERNADOR estacionario | Patreon


The Hundred Year Mystery - Solid State Electromagnetic Generator

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[bistander]

Dear bistander,

The Lorentz force is a mathematical derivative of the Ampere force. The Ampere force does not generate EMF. EMF is generated regardless of whether the generator windings are closed to the load or open. The Ampere force is what is produced from the transformation of EMF. What a strong contradiction you have for a constant? The conditional Lorentz force, if it takes part, is in the direction of closing the line of force of electric induction, with the potential difference (explosion and implosion) into a ring with subsequent transformation into a ring line of force of the magnetic field. This is what happens in a closed electric circuit. It is precisely the Maxwell equation that I rewrote into the equation of electromagnetic induction. ( Wise Eye OverUnity: ELECTRODYNAMICS OVER UNITY * DC MOTORS AND GENERATORS ) I figured it all out for myself, it was for this reason that I was able to solve this problem with generators. And your beliefs, with a bunch of contradictions, are your beliefs.

------------------------------------------------

For those who doubt, you can check it yourself. Point by point:

1. Find the armature from a DC motor, with a two-pole excitation orientation. The winding must have a sufficient number of turns. It is better from motors with a constant excitation of the field from permanent magnets or an electric motor with self-excitation for 110/220 V. There, the armature winding is designed for less resistance, but has a sufficient number of turns.

2. Find a stator with slots so that your armature fits tightly into the stator without a gap (or with a minimum gap). Provide a uniform gap between the stator and armature bars.

3. Wind the stator winding for a three-phase generator system with two-pole rotor excitation (I think a simple winding mechanism is available online). If you already have a ready winding from a three-phase motor for test starts, use it, but for a generator this is not the best option). Bring the stator winding through a three-phase diode bridge to an adjustable laboratory load for measurements.

4. Make a device for organizing the rotation of the contact brushes around the collector lamellas.
2022-05-29_001114.jpg?_x_tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=uk&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=wapp.jpg
(I published this drawing on 2022-05-29 )

5. Assemble the circuit without closing in a ring version.

6. Make a start without turning on the load. Select the optimal speed of rotation of the brushes, around the collector at the possible maximum permissible excitation current. Measure the current at startup and in operation.

7. Connect a voltmeter (or better yet, an oscilloscope) to the terminals in front of the diode bridge, measure the maximum EMF. Change the speed of rotation of the brushes and see how the frequency and EMF change.

8. Connect the load in different modes, make the appropriate measurements. Excitation current and EMF level, current in the load.

If you did everything correctly, you will have a current drop in the excitation circuit when connecting the load. You got generation. Then it only remains to calculate the excitation windings and the stator windings to get not a test verification model, but a useful design for generation.

Many will want to remove the mechanical commutation and make an electronic controller. As a rule, this idea fails. In order not to get into trouble and how to design the most optimal design, my material is a Motionless ALTERNATOR.

Motionless ALTERNATOR / Нерухомий АЛЬТЕРНАТОР / ALTERNADOR estacionario | Patreon


The Hundred Year Mystery - Solid State Electromagnetic Generator

Mr. Rakarskiy,

The Lorentz force is a mathematical derivative of the Ampere force.

In magnetostatics, the force of attraction or repulsion between two current-carrying wires (see first figure below) is often called Ampère's force law. The physical origin of this force is that each wire generates a magnetic field, following the Biot–Savart law, and the other wire experiences a magnetic force as a consequence, following the Lorentz force law.

Ref. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amp%...%27s_force_law
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You've got it backwards.

The Ampere force does not generate EMF.

I never said it did.

EMF is generated regardless of whether the generator windings are closed to the load or open.

Yes, per Faraday's law. The requirement is a changing magnetic field.

The Ampere force is what is produced from the transformation of EMF.

This is nonsensical.
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The experiment you describe is the same fantasy which you have been promoting. It will induce a voltage like a transformer but never result in useable output power which exceeds the input power delivery. It fails.

Simple. Prove your claim. Please.
bi

[Rakarskiy]

Originally posted by Rakarskiy View Post
The Ampere force is what is produced from the transformation of EMF.


bistander, writes:

This is nonsensical.


And what is the resulting phenomenon when a circuit with a load is closed to a source with an electric potential difference? For example, in the winding of an electromagnet? Or a transformer? You know that sometimes transformer windings are destroyed by attraction.
The Ampere force is the very action of the magnetic field around the conductor. And the magnetic field in a Tesla is the Ampere Force. It's the same phenomenon only in different systems of measurement magnetic and electrical. Although you can believe in electrons, which don't exist as current carriers.

[bistander]

Originally posted by Rakarskiy View Post
The Ampere force is what is produced from the transformation of EMF.


bistander, writes:

This is nonsensical.


And what is the resulting phenomenon when a circuit with a load is closed to a source with an electric potential difference? For example, in the winding of an electromagnet? Or a transformer? You know that sometimes transformer windings are destroyed by attraction.
The Ampere force is the very action of the magnetic field around the conductor. And the magnetic field in a Tesla is the Ampere Force. It's the same phenomenon only in different systems of measurement magnetic and electrical. Although you can believe in electrons, which don't exist as current carriers.

Rakarskiy,
This question is also nonsensical.

"And what is the resulting phenomenon when a circuit with a load is closed to a source with an electric potential difference?"

It's called electricity. Look it up.
bi

[Rakarskiy]

Rakarskiy,
This question is also nonsensical.

"And what is the resulting phenomenon when a circuit with a load is closed to a source with an electric potential difference?"

It's called electricity. Look it up.
bi

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