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  • Originally posted by DavidE View Post
    When I started this thread, I made note that I would invest 60 days of my life to really give this "Keshe energy offer" a fair shot, as a possible new reality. That day counter started on 10/30/2015, today is 12/2/2015.

    I have communicated with many experimenters and direct with the Keshe Foundation. And unfortunately the closer I get to the integrity of this, the more chaos I experience.

    Here is the obvious problem. Extraordinary claims were made. Almost no *evidence has been presented (energy performance gains). Although it appears as though Keshe wishes to push blame on the masses that are building devices - it is his presentation style and countless inconsistencies that have caused this. Rather than blame others, he needs to take responsibility for this.

    I will keep my eyes and ears open relative to the Keshe Foundation work - but for now, I only have my 60 day faith pledge to lean on. And without supporting evidence to go beyond this threshold, I will end my support of this thread on 12/30/2015.

    *Evidence has been presented as to the power of collective thought. Once harnessed on this planet, no man will ever be alone or without again.

    Note: Plasma is the future. The question is which road we use to fold it into our everyday lives.
    Well said David.

    It is sad, the internet memory is very short, and people are (and also want to be) easily fooled, especially in the alternative field.

    Keshe has never taken responsibility at all. Never. He's way of presenting is a deliberate strategy, a known and proven strategy also used by politicans. Where words are used in a deliberately confusing or misleading or ambiguous way to avoid true meaning.

    His claims go way back. This is a video of the ElektorLive! event back in November 2011, Eindhoven, The Netherlands.

    https://youtu.be/fCFO3-MOCYE?t=1h19m52s

    Transcript:
    The generator you're paying for is right here.
    No... no pictures please.
    So, in reality the coils, which you are looking for, what the earth is, is sitting in this structure (paint bucket).
    Your generators can be produced within the next 24 hours.
    Pardon?... aha have a quick look.
    So, we are not talking about something we fantasies... these systems have been build and been tested.
    It's just a matter of how governments and authorities are real, to face it, to take it to the next step.
    So, what we call a 3KW generator, can be supplied, when you payed for, within a few days.
    And here we are again today. Keshe implied with his email to customers, the units of the customers who recieved a Magrav unit, these units do not function. He is buying time. There will be no confirmation of these Keshe manufactured units anytime soon. More delays and excuses WILL come.

    It will be interesting times though, due to the blueprint hype - the world peace promise, he never sold this much commercial products. Telling stories is one thing. Scamming consumers is a whole different ballgame, consumers are better protected by law.

    Popcorn time
    Last edited by SlickDick; 12-02-2015, 03:31 PM.
    All the best,

    Slick

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    • Here is another example of Keshe providing information about Knowledge Seekers devices.

      [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K89F4FlvTMs[/VIDEO]

      Why would you post such a video? Am I missing something or is this insane?

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      • Australia - Breakthrough

        Looks Like Roald Boom gave up to soon and has hidden all
        of his hard work making it private. Embarrassing.

        Endeavor to persevere.

        BREAKING NEWS. BREAK THROUGH ATTENTION MAGRAV YUPPIES>

        [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlUQ9YOmTFo[/VIDEO]

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        • Just one time I would love for one of the free energy "gurus" to put on a workshop where you paid money for a kit (BIG MONEY even) and the entire workshop was spent doing NOTHING but putting that kit together step by step. At the end of the workshop everyone there should have a working free energy device that they can test with meters or scopes they bring to the workshop, and walk away with that MEETS the criteria advertised for the workshop, like "Come to our workshop and build a COP>2 device" (for example) or their money is all refunded. Now THAT would be a workshop worth attending. I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat. And I believe there are a couple folks right now who are MORE than capable of putting something like that together. The question is, how long before it actually happens. Because once someone does it one time and the word gets around, they will be FLOODED with people wanting to attend their workshop. And anybody can fly into a workshop like that with a small oscilloscope and a couple meters in their checked baggage. Fun times!

          Dave B
          “Advances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers.”
          —Bernhard Haisch, Astrophysicist

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          • Originally posted by Turion View Post
            Just one time I would love for one of the free energy "gurus" to put on a workshop where you paid money for a kit (BIG MONEY even) and the entire workshop was spent doing NOTHING but putting that kit together step by step.
            Dave B
            Yes and this is what I want them to build. Just funnin Dave.

            [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3V0KKvXmcs[/VIDEO]

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            • Originally posted by Turion View Post
              Just one time I would love for one of the free energy "gurus" to put on a workshop where you paid money for a kit (BIG MONEY even) and the entire workshop was spent doing NOTHING but putting that kit together step by step...
              A lot of us consider you as a guru of sorts, with all the stuff you have built & shared. From memory, you have also said that the 'Steele Braden' electrostatic generator, and the Benitez generator work - yet I don't see you rushing to form workshops on either of these! Not a criticism (believe it or not!) just postulating a probable reason for the lack of Guru workshops out there. TinMan discovered a few months ago that this type of public disclosure is still not tolerated - something that suspiciously failed to get a mention on Energetic forum!

              Since you've never been slow to spend money FE-stuff with potential, I was wondering if you planned on buying one of those Steorn OPhones (€470), or the OCube charger (€1200, ouch!)??? Not a mention of any of this on Energetic either, which is , ahhh, strange...

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              • ATTENTION MAGRAV BUYERS

                The factory is recalling units so if yours does not work they will
                replace the unit. All red tape and fine print subject to change
                as the years roll by.

                FACTORY MAGRAV UNITS FAILING. I wonder
                how that happened.

                @Turion
                Yes I agree with sprocket

                Build up some units and have a workshop, you got the money
                and the machines. It's now or never.

                [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpVpyuMY4WQ[/VIDEO]

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                • There are things that COULD be built and could be shown in a workshop, but you have to be set up for that, and I am NOT. I would want to make sure something was idiot proof before I started selling kits to people.The Steele Braden generator ABSOLUTELY works. But you would have to build a big one to see what the potential is. I have, or my SON has, the small working prototype I built. I have a larger unit under construction that I never seem to get around to finishing because of other projects, or because life gets in the way.

                  I just spent the last week with my son because my grandson, who came a few MONTHS premature, is in the hospital and the prognosis isn't great. So now I'm home again and way behind on everything.

                  With Steele's generator, my plan was to build this larger unit and compare the output to the SMALLER unit, so I could get some idea of just how big you would have to build one to get enough work out of it to achieve something significant enough to be worth the cost of putting it into some kind of production. I don't have that answer yet.

                  Matt can tell you about the Benitez stuff as he has THAT stuff down cold. But I think he decided that the EXPENSE of the build wasn't as economical as solar. You would have to ask him. Batteries are funny things, and cold weather zapps them when trying to use them in these kinds of devices. Things go along just great, and then you get a cold spell and the efficiency goes in the toilet. When you have to have one set to use, one to charge and one to rest for a functioning system, that's a lot of batteries, and most people aren't going to put out the kind of money you need to in order to have what is required to get started. The will want to use a bunch of crap batteries they have lying around, and then it won't work. NOT idiot proof.

                  We DO have some plans to build some stuff and get folks to replicate it, We haven't given up on that. To that end we bought a CNC machine and a 3d printer, and I have a SECOND 3d printer I need to get put together. I know over the next few months Matt will FINALLY have some free time, so I expect you will see a few things from us here on the forum.

                  Right now I feel like we have about 5 viable projects and i'm really not sure which one is the best one to put my time and energy into. There were six boxes of parts waiting for me when I got home today, so I have work to do. I'm pretty sure I will be posting at least ONE video in the next couple days on my rotor turned by a Razor scooter (off the shelf) motor running 8 of Gerard's "pump motors" as generators. Just for fun, and to show the folks what kind of output vs input you can get.

                  Someone in my local energy community bought one of the Keshe machines, so I MAY have an opportunity to see what's what with that device. You never know.

                  Dave
                  “Advances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers.”
                  —Bernhard Haisch, Astrophysicist

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                  • IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

                    Magravs-Power Systems

                    The Keshe Foundation is advising that systems manufactured, from the Foundation, as well as those that built systems at home, are in perfect working order.


                    Until this point, as per the manual, the systems are in a conditioning phase. The method on how to use the systems properly, as a 2KW surplus power unit, will be announced on Thursday, December 10th. This will be during the Public Knowledge Seeker Workshop, available on the following links:


                    Livestream


                    YouTube
                    https://www.youtube.com/c/KeshefoundationOrg/live


                    ZOOM Broadcast


                    Conditioning should have been performed over the last 3 weeks. The Keshe Foundation has been advising about the conditioning of the systems since the first Blueprint Teaching Workshops and this process must be followed by all customers and builders.


                    If you have built a system, as per the blueprints, it must be advised to NOT paste the nano-coated coils with an abundance of GANS. Instruction has been provided during the 90th Public Knowledge Seekers Workshop.


                    Please see this video for important information (clip of the 90th Knowledge Seekers Workshop ~4min long):

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                    • Recall cancelled or what?

                      Originally posted by DavidE View Post
                      IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

                      Magravs-Power Systems

                      The Keshe Foundation is advising that systems manufactured, from the Foundation, as well as those that built systems at home, are in perfect working order.
                      That seems strange considering just last week they issued a recall.

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                      • Peace Peace when there is no peace.

                        This guy gave me a giant laugh but I still think we need to keep
                        searching for peace and free energy.

                        This speaker is so right on.

                        [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuvbvQY07Qo[/VIDEO]

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                        • According to Keshe himself. Thursday this week will be a significant announcement.

                          Listen below then.
                          KFSSI Workshops on Livestream.











                          .....24 days to go on my open mind commitment.

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                          • BroMikey

                            Here is another video from this experimenter.

                            I think he speaks English just fine. Especially the slang!

                            Nice demo how to build a 10 second Magrav Unit.

                            [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CJ56wpyNaw[/VIDEO]

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                            • Originally posted by DavidE View Post
                              ...Until this point, as per the manual, the systems are in a conditioning phase. The method on how to use the systems properly, as a 2KW surplus power unit, will be announced on Thursday, December 10th...
                              Gawd, this is getting painful. Anyone forsee a lenghty 'conditioning' period in the offing - going from 3 weeks to 3 months perhaps! The travesty is that Keshe was allowed to sell these contraptions in the first place, without he himself knowing how to get them to work. I wonder if there are any genuine Messiahs feeling pissed-off around about now at this clueless pretender bringing their club into disrepute!

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                              • 91st Keshe Workshop 12/10/2015

                                The contradictory nature of Keshe's teachings went over the top for me today. He called his students "stupid thieving monkeys." What a way to start the Livestream session.

                                He finally demonstrates a unit in an entirely nonsensical way. He plugs into an outlet in the system, and runs an electric drill, then proclaims it is working on plasma power (uh the unit is plugged into the grid). He plugs loads into a working unit (actually two cascading units) in front of the group and claims that the usage reading on the meter shows a declining rate of power use. He says that people should expect between 0-100% gains depending on how your unit is configured in your home country. He says if you just compare this year and last years power consumption you will then see the net monthly gain. He with a fair amount of harshness acknowledges that he is being called a "Fraud" and clearly pushes back and puts the blame on his students. So much for being the Messiah.

                                He finally unveils how to add a large crystal (soul power) to the Blueprint stacker unit to synchronize the energies. Really?

                                The conditioning process he now says can take days, weeks or even months. Additionally he rants on and on about people ending his life thus ending his efforts, but the technology is in the hands of the people... thus free to mankind. Time isn't free Mr. Keshe, and your results are not apparent.

                                Maybe everything works as he says it does - but I see no significant evidence, or not even enough interesting phenomena to support a belief. I wish him luck, but I won't be spending one more second... considering the possibilities.

                                Message to Keshe Foundation. Go back to your home country Iran. Deliver your claimed wizardry of plasma power to eliminate their need for nuclear power or even oil for that matter. We will stand by and watch your progress.
                                Last edited by DavidE; 12-10-2015, 04:57 PM.

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