I just disproved ken wheelers magnet theories

[microwatt]

So now your resorting to distractions. why can't we focus on the subject here and that is kens theories.

BTW these primer fields do not scale.

Dude

You are living in the stone-age, here check out this video where the big
boys talk astrophysics that even a child can follow. That's I like it.

Listen to him say a few minutes into the presentation that magnetism
needs to be better understood or we can not understand the rest of the
creation.

Of course the text books won't be updated because the gov would
have to burn all THEIR books and start from scratch.

Besides, who wants to run around like a doggy between it's tail?

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EPlyiW-xGI[/VIDEO]


[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NogyJ0k8Kw[/VIDEO]

[Ben2503]

Dogma

Dear UFO

Hello to All,

It is very sad to observe that must of members participating on this Thread do not clearly understand Ken's Theories.

Ufopolitics

You're 100% right about that. I really can't follow Ken's reasoning.
When I read his book or listen to him in his videos I feel I am back in church as a young boy with my parents. All these people repeating quotes from a book I didn't understand and felt like brainwashing to me.
I am sorry my ignorance makes you sad, I couldn't please the priests either, probably because I always insisted on some kind of proof and wasn't going to believe anything simply because it was in some kind of "holy" book.

Hello to All,

It is very sad to observe that must of members participating on this Thread do not clearly understand Ken's Theories.


I have TWO MAIN REASONS why I defend this Theory like I do...but unfortunately -at this time- I can NOT reveal them yet...sorry.

Since "Extraordinary Claims require Extraordinary Proof"...the later is the stage where I am actually now, "Building" to prove beyond doubt all this so called "theories" are nothing but the hidden truth for more than Two Centuries.

...and it is not about simple and silly experiments...but the building of clever Machines that work based on those "theories".

Ufopolitics

I sincerely hope you will surprise us all.

Take care.
Ben

[Ben2503]

bowl magnets

Dude

You are living in the stone-age, here check out this video where the big
boys talk astrophysics that even a child can follow. That's I like it.

Listen to him say a few minutes into the presentation that magnetism
needs to be better understood or we can not understand the rest of the
creation.

Of course the text books won't be updated because the gov would
have to burn all THEIR books and start from scratch.

Besides, who wants to run around like a doggy between it's tail?

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EPlyiW-xGI[/VIDEO]


[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NogyJ0k8Kw[/VIDEO]

Please explain in simple and kind words, how a bowl shaped magnetic field is formed in space.
Thanks,
Ben

[mikrovolt]

This is a mechanical device outputting a light effect.
If only I could make something to demonstrate an idea I have.

This sharing would comes under fire but form and function usually has some relationship.

This video the fabricator has a clever device.
I see two motors and two perpendicular orbital axis with adjustable rates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PbD_3nKGGs

making a particular shape... how... very carefully
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...TOegBTSV0#t=62

[Ufopolitics]

Prove Faith...

Dear UFO

You're 100% right about that. I really can't follow Ken's reasoning.
When I read his book or listen to him in his videos I feel I am back in church as a young boy with my parents. All these people repeating quotes from a book I didn't understand and felt like brainwashing to me.
I am sorry my ignorance makes you sad, I couldn't please the priests either, probably because I always insisted on some kind of proof and wasn't going to believe anything simply because it was in some kind of "holy" book.

Dear Ben,

When I first read your post above -a while back till now that I get to respond- the first thing that came to my mind was a very interesting segment-dialogue from the movie Contact, based on the book from someone I admire much: Carl Sagan.

Dr. Eleanor "Ellie" Arroway (Jodie Foster) is talking to the Priest chosen to be representative part of the Board ( Matthew McConaughey) ...where she is the "typical" scientist...very "materialist"...does not really believe in GOD...her excuses are very "scientific"..."There is no proof God exists..."

Like all Scientists on this Planet...only believe in what could be felt, tested and proved.

Then the Priest ask her: Do You love your Father?...(who died when she was a girl..)

She answers without hesitation a secure and firm "yes, of course"...

Then the Priest replies:

PROVE IT!!

The thing is...We can not prove "Faith"...or love for someone that is gone, or no longer exist...or can't see or feel...except by dropping some flowers at the cemetery...that will probably last a few hours...right?

I sincerely hope you will surprise us all.

Take care.
Ben

You know...so many times I have asked myself: Is it worth it?

Do we all deserve it?

But then only one single thing answers and tells me :Yes...and that is "Faith"...faith in humanity.

Faith in God.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Experiments?!

Without experiments you need to have numbers to hang your theories on. Until then ken is just a angry photographer.

I am now, sure...you've never read Ken's Book...or may be you did...but, the material/data did not stayed long enough in your limited brain.

Why?, simple, there are so many experiments in that book...oh, but wait a minute...some are called "Toys" by you, right?

Timm Vanderelli is the Patent Owner for the Ferrocell...a "toy" according to you...that can reveal the magnetic field in 3D and High Def. resolution.

Thanks to Ken Wheeler I got to know Timm, and ordered a few kits for my -under development- work on magnetism...

And we exchanged many info...

[Ufopolitics]

Originally Posted by ldrancer
you've used that copyright which is you thinking you deserve money, this topic your treating it bromikey as if though its dumb. and so has everyone else. what ever.

I don't think you are dumb, NO!!!

Mikey, do you really think Idrancer is NOT dumb?...because I'm FUC*ING sure he is...

Just look at the way he writes man...is not even worth to pay attention to that "thing"...


Take care


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Stupidity at its Max Output...

magnetic induction direction should be perpendicular to any dielectric induction field.

It took one experiment to prove that there is not electrostatic induction field
with a magnet. when I did those experiments the scale you saw on the o scope was 50 mv per division.

This Thread should be closed by now...end...finito...you never proved absolutely nada.

The Dielectric Field -as I have detailed and shown from Ken's Book- is a COUNTERSPATIAL, CENTRIPETAL, INWARDS, TERMINATING AT THE VERY CENTER OF EVERY SINGLE MAGNET...

And NOT expelled, projected, disbursed...OUTWARDS.

The Dielectric Field in every magnet is just the 'cause' while the field is the "final destination product"...as it provides the outward (centrifugal) and inward (centripetal) paths for both magnetic fields spiraling flows for each polarized ends.

But maybe you can not even grasp the above sentence...written in plain English...

But obviously -like I wrote before- you are either so dumb and stupid...that never read that, or never retained long enough in your small brain, or could not "process it"...or maybe you are just looking for people to get to know who you are (exposure, sensationalism, etc)...However, you've chosen a way of "advertisement" that is very, but very sad and poor method to do so.

[Ufopolitics]

Ferrocell Lens..

Please explain in simple and kind words, how a bowl shaped magnetic field is formed in space.
Thanks,
Ben

A much simpler, and cheaper approach than the videos shown by Mikey...is by using Ferrocell Lens and some (indirect, not aiming to camera but to magnet) with a 3 way LED lighting belt...to generate illumination in 360º...

[IMG][/IMG]

You could see the cube magnet in above pic from Ken's Book...

Or Three Cubes attached from Timm's site (FerrocellUSA)

[IMG][/IMG]

You could move the magnet around to see the 3D properties of field...

You could also make magnetic interactions with ferrous materials or other magnets...etc...to see how the bowl shaped spectrum is flexible, elastic and deforms under such presence...

The higher the Neo's strength the better the resolution once the cell develops the full magnetic spectrum.

In those videos the 3D CGI about both fields "bowls" does not reflect the spiral shape of each bowl's lines ...like the ferrocell shows.


Something more like shown below in CGI:

[IMG][/IMG]

[IMG][/IMG]


Regards


Ufopolitics

[ldrancer]

your basing your proofs on faiths and using faith as an argument against people who disagree with you, or make tests to prove or show your ideas. and critically challenge you, and you can't even respond. without using faith arguements against us. show 1 stupid statement ive made on here. oh wait you cant. becuase i havent.

but the statement you made is very stupid. i want everything proved to me, and teh statement taht all scientists now want everything to be proved and seen, is actually false. since black holes, ahve never been seen and they claim they are there because of other things. and claim it works, when nothing is consistent.

your arguement over faith in love, is flawed in scientific theories and questions to an idea, that isnt shown yet.

[ldrancer]

screw it whatever im too tired. to argue with someone whos going to make up dumb *****y arguements over everything to set the stage for theoria to come in, talk, not answer 1 question not respond, act like everyone who disagrees with him is stupid, not prove it, and then leave. noo.

[ldrancer]

i did disagree with the bismuth magent idea, and have seen the response i get from theoria on it, so i see how he is and his theories. so im putting my side on his side. actually, i really dont care, but your just, making up arguements here. no i dont want to see theoria come in and talk and use his magic words which is whats been happening. you dont want to prove it cause you believe you deserve money. you dont think that all ideas have already been done, and if we cat figure it out now you cant show an invention and still make money? thats my idea about copyrights. there should be 0 of them. they never started with this country. give me time to find those videos.

im goig to go back in time and invent fire and copyright it and charge you guys for it today. you cant light up a match without paying me. while im at it ill write all languages all alphabets, you wont be able to fart without paying me money. yea haha. youwill not prove anything.

you have nothign to prove you cant even explain it.

your idea is that the fields that is in a magnet disappear into it. what is a field? a field isnt an object. thats what where dealing with here. objects are science and concepts are religion. the questino is what is the magent. you talk about it makes a middle then it disappears into itself. sort of how, light disappears into a black hole. that happens too doesnt it. so are we talking about black holes? they seem to be the same. religion.

you wont explain yourself, i wished, no matter how much you show more and more pretty pictures, it would just stop. when i was little i took magents and stuck them to a tv, and went wohh. i am not 4 and never seen a tube tv. so i figured the 3d aspect but it doesnt get totally confuseing for me when it reaches 3d. so quit with these fake fields. its a view point.

[Ufopolitics]

your basing your proofs on faiths and using faith as an argument against people who disagree with you, or make tests to prove or show your ideas. and critically challenge you, and you can't even respond. without using faith arguements against us. show 1 stupid statement ive made on here. oh wait you cant. becuase i havent.

but the statement you made is very stupid. i want everything proved to me, and teh statement taht all scientists now want everything to be proved and seen, is actually false. since black holes, ahve never been seen and they claim they are there because of other things. and claim it works, when nothing is consistent.

your arguement over faith in love, is flawed in scientific theories and questions to an idea, that isnt shown yet.

screw it whatever im too tired. to argue with someone whos going to make up dumb *****y arguements over everything to set the stage for theoria to come in, talk, not answer 1 question not respond, act like everyone who disagrees with him is stupid, not prove it, and then leave. noo.

i did disagree with the bismuth magent idea, and have seen the response i get from theoria on it, so i see how he is and his theories. so im putting my side on his side. actually, i really dont care, but your just, making up arguements here. no i dont want to see theoria come in and talk and use his magic words which is whats been happening. you dont want to prove it cause you believe you deserve money. you dont think that all ideas have already been done, and if we cat figure it out now you cant show an invention and still make money? thats my idea about copyrights. there should be 0 of them. they never started with this country. give me time to find those videos.

im goig to go back in time and invent fire and copyright it and charge you guys for it today. you cant light up a match without paying me. while im at it ill write all languages all alphabets, you wont be able to fart without paying me money. yea haha. youwill not prove anything.

you have nothign to prove you cant even explain it.

your idea is that the fields that is in a magnet disappear into it. what is a field? a field isnt an object. thats what where dealing with here. objects are science and concepts are religion. the questino is what is the magent. you talk about it makes a middle then it disappears into itself. sort of how, light disappears into a black hole. that happens too doesnt it. so are we talking about black holes? they seem to be the same. religion.

you wont explain yourself, i wished, no matter how much you show more and more pretty pictures, it would just stop. when i was little i took magents and stuck them to a tv, and went wohh. i am not 4 and never seen a tube tv. so i figured the 3d aspect but it doesnt get totally confuseing for me when it reaches 3d. so quit with these fake fields. its a view point.

So, Idran(t)er...You are another one who is "disproving" Ken's Theories...?

But Let me tell you, seriously now...you "sound" as convincing as microwatt's experiments...

Excellent logic...and such a rich way in vocabulary to express it...

Have faith guy...and God bless You...

Amen

[BroMikey]

you wont be able to fart without paying me money.

seem to be the same. religion.

you wont explain yourself,.............. so quit with these fake fields. its a view point.

screw it whatever im too tired.

your basing your proofs on faiths and using faith as an argument against people who disagree with you

I am now, sure...you've never read Ken's Book...or may be you did...but, the material/data did not stayed long enough in your limited brain.
................some are called "Toys" by you, right?
.

These people have a block, their young minds are so over loaded
with what they were made to regurgitate in schools that they are
exhausted.

There is no room for anything to enter into their thought processes.
You give them a kind/loving example that is something new and they
immediately reject any new thoughts or data. It is a toy or it is some
name.

They have been taught to see things in terms such as schools dictate
like so and so Faraday was a great man and he was responsible for
this or that but beyond these simple ideas no new evidence may enter.

It is okay to keep trying to show them because sooner or later someone
who is over hearing this message will finally see clearly. I would also like
to add that going to a college or trade school does not make people into
super thinkers, not at all, despite what the teachers say.

Many people can no longer think for themselves due to the overwhelming
emotional trauma they had to endure during their grueling programming.

The mind control practiced in universities to day is a scientifically thought
out strategy against their captive audience designed to trap the mind
so that any outside information is unable to enter into their world.
As stated other info is a "Distraction"

I have listened and watched the higher learning leaders exert their power
over the pupil, I know how it plays out and I see the same men sleeping
with the students. It is a war for you as their resource.

Winner takes all and loser takes the fall, this is the doctrine survival of the
fittest, dog eat dog and has nothing what soever to do with the whole truth.

I am afraid it is to late for some of those people to go outside the gov/school doctrines has produced a sterilized yuppy unable to really
weigh in on these matters.

You can not show people something they don't want to hear because
they have been taught to hate the outside influences of other ideas.

It is like growing up a Catholic. Once a Catholic always a Catholic.

The video was very clear on how the new evidence about the nature
of magnetic fields collide with currently taught lies.

There is no other way to look it. The bowl the choke ring and the flip
ring show that the universe works this way to compress matter.

End of story. Nothing like we have been told about magnetism.

So now your resorting to distractions. why can't we focus on the subject here ...............................

Without experiments you need to have numbers to hang your theories on. Until then ken is just a angry photographer.

Please explain in simple and kind words, how a bowl shaped magnetic field is formed in space.
Thanks,
Ben

[Ben2503]

Dear Ben,

When I first read your post above -a while back till now that I get to respond- the first thing that came to my mind was a very interesting segment-dialogue from the movie Contact, based on the book from someone I admire much: Carl Sagan.

Dr. Eleanor "Ellie" Arroway (Jodie Foster) is talking to the Priest chosen to be representative part of the Board ( Matthew McConaughey) ...where she is the "typical" scientist...very "materialist"...does not really believe in GOD...her excuses are very "scientific"..."There is no proof God exists..."

Like all Scientists on this Planet...only believe in what could be felt, tested and proved.

Then the Priest ask her: Do You love your Father?...(who died when she was a girl..)

She answers without hesitation a secure and firm "yes, of course"...

Then the Priest replies:

PROVE IT!!


Ufopolitics

Dear UFO.

The Scientific lady is on thin ice with here statement. If you want to prove something you first have to clearly define what you're about to prove or disprove.
IMHO there is no clear definition of God (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God)
If God is the creative force, then one should just have a look around to see the results. No further discussion required.

WRT to OU devices, I think the specification is clear: the total energy output shall be higher than the total energy input.
If this is the case and it can be shown by clear measurements, then one has to find the source of additional energy. Does it come from the ether, gravity or permanent magnets or ....what have you. Then the proof is 100% rock solid.

I look for proof in order to convince myself that I am on the right track;that the theory is correct; that my mathematical model is correct; that engineering approaches are correct; etc..and to make sure I am not being fooled.

Again I don't 100% understand Ken's reasoning, nor space-time nor counter-space. The latter 2 are IMHO "mathe-magical" transformations and are imaginary.
What I do understand that inside a permanent magnet, there must be an electric field at (sub-)atomic levels that make the electrons spin in order to create magnetism.
Or otherwise there are magnetic particles as Ed Leedskalnin suggested.

Anyway, I sincerely hope you will succeed in your endeavors.

Best regards,
Ben

ps.

The thing is...We can not prove "Faith"...or love for someone that is gone, or no longer exist...or can't see or feel...except by dropping some flowers at the cemetery...that will probably last a few hours...right?

My dad died when I was 10, so I know from personal experience.