Keshe, Fraud, Fraud or super-plasma-coated Fraud?

[Ernst]

Let's keep the "how to build"-stuff in the other thread, it serves no purpose here.



Ernst.

[SlickDick]

Aaron
How can you Make the statement "nobody has ever received one"
on these devices being offered By Keshe ?

It would be nice to know the address of his factory in the Philippines ,we have a fellow who can stop by and put all of this to rest one way or the other.

respectfully
Chet

Sale of Keshe Foundation 3-4 KW power generator - The Keshe Foundation Forum

Quoting David

I am one of the persons who originally put a deposit down for the 3-4 kw plasma generators. I have been patient for years, defending Keshe faithfully. I think Mr. Keshe should give us an update on current status of the generators. It would be the proper thing to do. I know he has said it is out of his hands, up to the Italians now to manufacture, but I believe Keshe has the moral obligation to follow up with this and keep the lowly man updated. Remember, a man is only as good as his word.

Quoting flekoun

Hello. So it been nearly 4 YEARS since you started recieving money for your near compleated generators. Since then we get like 15 release date postpones. Your last message from half a year ago was:

As announced today 15.5.2014 in the workshop the italian preproduction power generator design and structure is finally completed and the demonstration unit will be shown in public once production correction and tests are completed.


so where are the generators for our hard earned money? It is considered polite on this planet to either deliver promissed goods for the money or explain why it is not possible to deliver and exactly when the goods will be delivered. Please, give us another release date (17th?) Thanks.

So in short It started in 2011 with the 3-4 kw plasma generators. Never delivered.

Wich turned into these battery type, never delivered


To now the blue units. of wich it is published the first 1000 units shipped before October 30th.


The images change, the story stays the same. Not a single sign units actually being shipped:

Magrav Power System Delivery Status - The Keshe Foundation Forum

It is still the same string of events since 2011.

[RAMSET]

lots of comments but no address

where's the factory or factories ?

I see one Pic of a street view ,is this from a prior address claim ?

Silck Dick
are you a cut and paste detective or can you find a factory address in the Philippines for these guys ??



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[SlickDick]

I see one Pic of a street view ,is this from a prior address claim ?
?

The answer can be found in the exact same thread.

[RAMSET]

No too Slick.. Dick.

kinda Lame actually [your contribution or lack there of],and to be clear I spent my fair share of time on this a few years back ...NOT cut and paste ..but on the phone with Brazil and wherever else I could find at the time.

Chet

[SlickDick]

No too Slick.. Dick.

kinda Lame actually [your contribution or lack there of],and to be clear I spent my fair share of time on this a few years back ...NOT cut and paste ..but on the phone with Brazil and wherever else I could find at the time.

Chet

Reason i post some snippets, is so people looking for answers don't have to dig into a 16 page thread. Plus i post link to source of information so people can confirm and/or read the full story for themselves. Also to help you answer the question if anybody recieved one. It saves you the money to buy the device as suggested by Aaron. No need to become hostile.

It is not all about you Chet and your quest for the factory. These people paid with real money, not some time on the phone.

[RAMSET]

Never is

Dick
It never is all about you or me ,its about US , and in this case putting an end to the wheel of fortunes attached to unsubstantiated claims.

I apologize for the curt behavior associated with the cut and pastes
I just like solutions to these obvious issues [sans the thread tittle]

that's why I go a bit further than what I can read in a google search
I pick up the phone ,Knock on the door ,or go and see people ,not for me or a business interest ,for the benefit of all and a quick solution.

so for clarity you have no address of a factory which can be visited anywhere on Planet earth?

Chet

[SlickDick]

Dick
It never is all about you or me ,its about US , and in this case putting an end to the wheel of fortunes attached to unsubstantiated claims.

I apologize for the curt behavior associated with the cut and pastes
I just like solutions to these obvious issues [sans the thread tittle]

that's why I go a bit further than what I can read in a google search
I pick up the phone ,Knock on the door ,or go and see people ,not for me or a business interest ,for the benefit of all and a quick solution.

so for clarity you have no address of a factory which can be visited anywhere on Planet earth?

Chet

I respect oldschool ways, no apology needed mate! But please, did you pick up the phone and call the foundation as to where is the production facility (if i would be a journalist, i would start asking te source itself)? If so, what was the outcome? If not, why not?

[BroMikey]

Let's keep the "how to build"-stuff in the other thread, it serves no purpose here.



Ernst.

You mean you don't want me postings here. I hear ya. Just more hate.

[BroMikey]

The images change, the story stays the same. Not a single sign units actually being shipped:

Magrav Power System Delivery Status - The Keshe Foundation Forum

It is still the same string of events since 2011.

When I click the BUY NOW button here is what comes up.

He is treating his corporation like a Church group. 501C3

religious exemptions. This keeps him from having people

buy one and try to send it back. The Pope does that too.

This keeps their corporation a one way street. No one

can say anything against a 501C3. You are taking a big

chance buying/donating anything from people who hire Lawyers and

use the 501C3 government umbrella.

I wouldn't give him a nickel knowing what I know now.

I would almost have to say he is dishonest. I didn't know

that about Keshe til now. I have watched Church men abuse the

use of this 501C3, it's a weapon against the people.

I have a profuse dislike for this type of trap.

Okay so I changed my mind.

I don't mind people donating to any cause but when a product is

sold for X amount of $$$$$ then hitting a donate button to

pay only takes away all of your rights.

CLICK HEREKeshe Foundation Shop | Keshe Foundation

Mandatory donation | Keshe Foundation

[RAMSET]

Dick
quote
"The answer can be found in the exact same thread".
"If not why Not ??"....
end quote
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you sound like my Mother inlaw ,you talk in riddles and make demands.

if you don't know its OK to say so . the truth will come to light
the world is very small these days and getting smaller all the time.

respectfully
Chet

[BroMikey]

you sound like my Mother inlaw ,you talk in riddles and make demands.

Hey Chet

Read my previous updated post, I wouldn't give Keshe a penny. I

didn't know he was that irresponsible to make his business into

some kind of religious MANDATORY DONATION.

THAT IS WHY NOT!!!!! DO NOT DONATE

[RAMSET]

Mikey
I'm not asking for the address to the factory or its phone number so I can send donations and prayer cloths
Its to put an end to this nonsense once and for all .

they Built a thousand units and sent them Out from a factory in the Phillippines ??
where's the factory ? we have Peeps in the Philippines that want to go and buy some units and check them out before they leave...

Chet

[Aaron]

Keshe Foundation business structure?

He is treating his corporation like a Church group. 501C3

I clicked on their donate button for paypal and paypal gives this message:
"This recipient is currently unable to receive money." Most likely Paypal have received too many complaints - not just for donations but for payments as well. When receiving donations by paypal, once $10k or something is reached in total, the receiving party has to disclose what it goes to. Something like that.

Do you or anyone know what the legal structure of their foundation is?

If it is a 501c3, I'm sure that would be in the states and every penny is accountable. I've worked with several and it is required for 501c3 to disclose their financials. The 501c3, which only means it is a non-profit that permits tax deductions for the donations. The non-profit must disclose contact info specifically for financial inquiries in a reasonable amount of time, meaning, a couple days max - OR, must have financials posted on a website like guidestar.com. For each day that a non-profit does not provide financials (personal info on contributors, etc. is permitted, etc. and other private info), there is a daily fine up to $10k max.

If the Keshe Foundation is organized as some official non-profit in Germany, etc... they probably have similar laws for whatever type of non-profit, etc. they are organized under. Worth looking into.

[BroMikey]

I clicked on their donate button for paypal and paypal gives this message:
"This recipient is currently unable to receive money." Most likely Paypal have received too many complaints - not just for donations but for payments as well. When receiving donations by paypal, once $10k or something is reached in total, the receiving party has to disclose what it goes to. Something like that.

Do you or anyone know what the legal structure of their foundation is?

If it is a 501c3, I'm sure that would be in the states and every penny is accountable.

No I don't know. Can you imagine John Bedini running his business
like this guy? I have watched first hand how donating for a product
works. You donate and the item is hyped up for a while and the
only accountability there is that it was sent. It could be 3 paper
clips and a spool of thread when you thought it was 3 something
completely different.

When I say accountability, I mean that the produce does what it
was advertised as. That is not how a donation/payment works.

The way it works is that the announcer can say this is what it is
and or this is what it might be, and he is completely free from all
responsibility for the object being what YOU THOUGHT it would be.

Scam. I say Scam now.

Mikey
I'm not asking for the address to the factory or its phone number so I can send donations and prayer cloths

You wouldn't send prayer cloths You wouldn't?