My 1st Selfrunning Generator?

[nilrehob]

This took me by surprise!

Nine low-voltage coils in series are connected to a variac.
The sum of the EMF in the coils is ~5.5V
The yellow trace is the 10th unused coil.
The blue trace is the current measured across a 1 ohm resistor.
The purple trace is the output from the transformer.

When the output from the transformer is decreased below the EMF the current shifts and the rotor continues to run.

If You understand what’s going on please explain!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3RmqJ7X2dg

/Hob

[BroMikey]

Hello there Mr Hob

I am bad with explaining the Bedini terms but I have been thinking

about reactive power yet not just that. The way the magnets work

with those coils keep reusing the impulses, just the right coil self capacitance

just the right voltage, just the right speed, just the right everything

see, I told you I was no good at explaining it.

Nice find.

[Aaron]

other forum account

Very interesting!

Do you have an account at Energy Science Forum?

This took me by surprise!

Nine low-voltage coils in series are connected to a variac.
The sum of the EMF in the coils is ~5.5V
The yellow trace is the 10th unused coil.
The blue trace is the current measured across a 1 ohm resistor.
The purple trace is the output from the transformer.

When the output from the transformer is decreased below the EMF the current shifts and the rotor continues to run.

If You understand what’s going on please explain!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3RmqJ7X2dg

/Hob

[nilrehob]

Very interesting!

Do you have an account at Energy Science Forum?

yes, ill see if i remember the pswd

[nilrehob]

Further details:

The four strands in each of the nine coils are in parallel.
The nine coils are in series.
The sum of the DC resistance in the nine coils is 2.8 ohm.
The sum of the inductance in the nine coils is 36 mH.
The coils have welding-rods as core.
The distance between coils-magnets is ~3mm.
There are 20 neo-magnets, all north.

The tenth coil is only connected to the scope as reference.

The sum of the EMF from the nine coils is 5.5V (3.9V RMS).

There is no Bedini circuit connected to any coil.

The variac secondary is connected to the nine coils.
The variac primary is connected to the grid.
The grid is 50Hz, the wheel spins at 150 RPM.

Since there are magnets and not a squirrel-cage there is no slip.
It is a synchronous motor/generator.
The wobbling is because the coils and the magnets are not that tightly coupled.
The motor has ceramic bearings.

When the variac is above EMF, the variac is running the wheel as a motor.
When the variac is below EMF, the wheel is a generator feeding the variac?

When the voltage from the variac is above the coils EMF there is positive torque.
When the voltage from the variac is below the coils EMF there should be negative torque.

Why does the wheel still run when the variac is at 2.5V RMS which is below the EMF of the coils?

/Hob

[BroMikey]

There is no Bedini circuit connected to any coil.

The variac secondary is connected to the nine coils.
The variac primary is connected to the grid.
The grid is 50Hz, the wheel spins at 150 RPM.


Why does the wheel still run when the variac is at 2.5V RMS which is below the EMF of the coils?

/Hob

I kept watching your scope and the amperage to voltage going in

and out of phase lock. I learned from BI-Toroid (Thane H.) work on

transformers that when current leads voltage or the two are not

in sync that this is a manifestation of mostly reusable REACTIVE

POWER. In a normal AC transforming wind the current and voltage

are in phase and 95 percent of THAT power is "REAL POWER"

Real Power that burns up. In the case of your scope shots you

can see the phase of current to voltage is shifting as you adjust

your input.

It keeps running because the "REACTIVE POWER" does not burn

up like "REAL POWER" does. I believe that is the answer.


I remember how thrilled I was when I did those reactive power

measurements. The measure for REACTIVE POWER first find the

phase shift in degrees of the voltage to current relationship.

Say for instance your phase shift is 90 degrees then multiply

90 * COS = this equals some number and so on.

[nilrehob]

I kept watching your scope and the amperage to voltage going in

and out of phase lock. I learned from BI-Toroid (Thane H.) work on

transformers that when current leads voltage or the two are not

in sync that this is a manifestation of mostly reusable REACTIVE

POWER. In a normal AC transforming wind the current and voltage

are in phase and 95 percent of THAT power is "REAL POWER"

Real Power that burns up. In the case of your scope shots you

can see the phase of current to voltage is shifting as you adjust

your input.

It keeps running because the "REACTIVE POWER" does not burn

up like "REAL POWER" does. I believe that is the answer.


I remember how thrilled I was when I did those reactive power

measurements. The measure for REACTIVE POWER first find the

phase shift in degrees of the voltage to current relationship.

Say for instance your phase shift is 90 degrees then multiply

90 * COS = this equals some number and so on.

When the variac voltage is reduced the reactive power goes to zero since voltage and current gets the same phase.

I believe the question is; what makes EMF and V different?
And V = EMF + IR is not the answer since in my case V < EMF.
But tomorrow I'll make sure, again, that I have the right EMF.

/Hob

[BroMikey]

When the variac voltage is reduced the reactive power goes to zero since voltage and current gets the same phase.

I believe the question is; what makes EMF and V different?
And V = EMF + IR is not the answer since in my case V < EMF.
But tomorrow I'll make sure, again, that I have the right EMF.

/Hob

Okay I see now what you mean. Yes when the voltage was reduced
the phase DID lock together. I guess I needed to talk about the scope
shot because this has been going round in my mind.

I have never seen anyone treat these Bedini wound coils like
transformers and I think it is a cool test. Like a lot
of your video's I watch.

I think the magnets (Not a cage) play a huge part in the way things
appear on the scope. It has to be some form of reusable "REACTIVE
POWER" circulating in the device to keep running and running for free.

This is the basis of ALL energy tapping strategy using coils and magnets.

To bad you can't use a sine-wave inverter and battery to see if the
motor is actually running on fumes or is this a meter reading anomaly.

Sure you input AC but the machine changes it to impulse DC. Or
wants to.


I would tend to think it is "REACTIVE". Remember those star shaped
magnetic lines John B. is always drawing BETWEEN poles?????
Maybe "REACTIVE" power is jumping across between poles and your
10th satellite coil connected to the scope is not reading that.

Good experimenting and thanks for sharing your incredible results.

NOTE: When I step back from your new dilema and look at LASERSABER's
little motors running for years on 1v or John Bedini's motors that had
done the same thing since the 1980's, I would have to say that the BEDINI
layout such as this motor that you are showing can be operated many
different ways but the common denominator is swinging magnets over
the specially wound coils with their resonant qualities.

Glad you found one of the secrets.

[Aaron]

watt meter

Do you have a watt meter to connect to the input of the variac to see the draw before and after increasing and decreasing the voltage. The old analog ones are best, but hard to find.

Even if it is a kill-o-watt meter, that might help verify what you are seeing.

[nilrehob]

Update first showing the EMF and then consumed energy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPs9Xa2jpG0

/Hob

[wayne.ct]

Resonant Effect

Your Bedini is operating very near one of its resonant frequencies. At a frequency slightly below resonant, capacitance/inductance is dominant. At a frequency slightly above resonant, inductance/capacitance is dominant. It switches back an forth depending on frequency.

[CyanGrinMonk]

I've seen behaviour like this before in some of my experiments, it can happen if the TC of the inductor is large enough and the AC impedance is high enough.

You get some strange phenomenon driving inductors at frequencies high enough to induce a capacitve effect, i've observed a few things i couldn't explain but i'm not an expert so they remain mysteries.

Sometimes there were sudden accelerations of the rotor, and then, when lowering the input current, the rotor maintained the same RPM. That was puzzling.


Best,

Cyan.