ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[Ufopolitics]

So what? The magnetic field is just an interim step, or conversion, in our ultimate electromechanical energy conversion machinery (motors and generators). bi

Your limitation by understanding Magnetic Fields based only on the iron chained model... restricts your views and the real possibilities of an "unchained" Magnetic Field ...to the point of underestimating it big time.

But, let's leave it here for now, not complicating into heavy machinery exchange and so on and better concentrate on what we are not seeing in a Single Magnetic Field...


Better that way


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Hand Rules

Let me guess...here in order to determine F Direction...we must use Flemming's Left Hand Rule right?

You can do that.



I prefer the other hand.



Actually I do use my right hand for current and flux and visualize the fields from there for force, motion, etc.

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Ugly, ugly...hands rule?

You can do that.



I prefer the other hand.



Actually I do use my right hand for current and flux and visualize the fields from there for force, motion, etc.

bi

Geeez, those are really ugly hands Bistander!!

What is that called? The Ugly Hand Rules?

Kids learning with those hands diagrams for sure will have lifetime trauma...






Ufopolitics

[ldrancer]

[SIZE="3"]No he didn't watch the video, he, she or it, better
known as he-zhit

instead of you and your goons ad hominem attackig me try replying and challenging any of the many ways you're debunked.

you cant explain a magnet with a vortex.

the magnet is doing the work, not you guys

so conversation about concepts is over. until you prove a voirtex, youve not explained a magnet, and this topic is a bad topic. the more you think and try to get everyone else to think stuff withotu any evidence, the bigger religious fanatic you are.

**** you zionist

[ldrancer]

hi ufopolitics,

the mhd video posted is interesting. Generally you will find with this kind of thing there are actually two rotations (or more). One rotation seen as cw and another seen as ccw and being separated by a shear zone.

I’ve done this first hand with my silver cell, (used for refining silver to 99.999%). So the anode is located at the top with the cathode at the bottom. (the pure silver crystals form on the cathode, from ag stock in the anode). The electrolyte is a very strong solution of silver nitrate.

Upon placing a neo magnet on the underside of the cell, one can see the electrolyte begin to turn. It turns cw around close proximity to the anode and further way, the electrolyte actually turns ccw. There is a zone in the middle where it’s neither.

Tiny (non-magnetic) silver crystals that end up floating on top of the solution (surface tension) spin around with the solution, at a fixed speed.

It’s an odd thing. So-called electrons going from the cathode to the anode, as sliver metal crystals form on the cathode while branching out towards the anode. Meanwhile the electrolyte solution turns clockwise and also counter-clockwise. (the electrolyte turning is helpful in refining the silver as it keeps the solution “fresh” on the surface of the cathode).

Interesting, when one turns the magnet around the other way, the spin direction(s) of the electrolytic solution remains the same in this case. (anode and cathode positions and polarity are kept the same).

One day i’ll try making a short video of this in action.


@idrancer. Please go find another thread to bother.

why dont you guys stop repeating your bull****

[Ufopolitics]

Are those Idrancer hands??

That's the reason why he can't build sh**t...

[ldrancer]

This is the stupidest thread ever. The fact that vortexes are concepts has already been done. TH evortex concept came from magnets almost 80% sure on that. and the vortex is already been debunked and thought about by a lot of scienetists. so you guys are the idiots. its to you all you care about is how many people you can fool and scam. fcuk you you little stupid ****s. you are a waste of MY AND EVERYBODY ELSES TIME. and anybody who gives yo money is an idiot too cause ITS FIAT. so your all FAKE.

any thing to say for yourself but attacks?

5 year olds have heard and still today are alive so they learned from wheels on the bus. you guys are stupid. I dont need to think it through for you cause i wouldnt know how you think, but following it, we can reach a way to speak but you gusy are not attempting so you leave. this thread is retarded. you guys are retarded for being here. Ken is a scam artist. wheres the vortex mowers? where s teh vortex hardrives? none? thats what I thought. Oh me acts big and bad and might get money but whne its ran by a private company, well, that means jack ****. you guys, live off of false ideas and you live in a fake world which will be took ut with you going with it

Are those Idrancer hands??

That's the reason why he can't build sh**t...

wheres the response to me from earlier where you deleted your post? i quoted you and you tried to spam me with your video, claiming ooh look at me im right, and claimed i never saw it. Its been done before. and you dont even respond to it. you got no cred. along with ken he cant talk to me. ........

when you attack me(ken wheeler) on about a permanent magnet it was a mistake. he called me stupid. it was an honest mistake. None of you guys have any cred. or any respect. you wont answer and you wont end this stupid discussion. prove it, quit tryint to prove it to everyone else. see it one time for yourself, and **** ing shut the hell up

Are those Idrancer hands??

That's the reason why he can't build sh**t...

DUDE answer me the magnets doing the work, NOT YOU. quit stealing off of oh my god everything. your a scam artists. you work for wheelr

@Idrancer. Please go find another thread to bother.

[ldrancer]

I would question you on the frist post of the video but anybody can easily think about it for a second and know thats not a working model. You claim the magnet when you claim you know how it works but nothing do you know how it works. you could make a working model if you could. not in the way you probably think it just needs to prove the concept.

a concept doesnt prove and doesnt belong in science. its religion. simple. can you end this crap. whers wheelers topic on it why didnt he start it this whole topic is propoganda. see it for yourself first then THEN tell everybody else. your believing things that arent there you physcizes.

[Ufopolitics]

You can do that.

I prefer the other hand.

Actually I do use my right hand for current and flux and visualize the fields from there for force, motion, etc.

bi

Ok, but, like I wrote before...

The Hand Rules are REFERENCE METHODS, Guidelines to find out Vectors Spatial Positioning according to 3 Axis, and using the fingers to mimic those axis at 90º etc,etc...

But forgetting about the Hands, Fingers and Rules from Fleming's...

Where is the FULL SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION for this 3X90º Axis Manifesting F , B and I ...following such fashion?

Even if We go back in time and start from the famous Hendrick Lorentz "q" charged particle from the "Lorentz Forces" Chapter...and the Vectors and reactions against a Magnetic Field (B)and an Electric Field (E)...we can perfectly notice that those angles and vectors were just pushed arbitrarily without a reasonable explanation at all.

Again:

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The E-Field and q particle is completely understood, as it is a Parallel Response, straight and very obvious one...negative particle (q-) will definitively follow and be attracted towards the Positive Plate of the electric field...and so on with the positively charged particle (q+) will go to negative plate of electric field...simple, very simple...

If you are familiar with the way Electric Field Drivers for a Radar or old Oscilloscope CRT works...it is based on this principle, positive and negative plates deflecting beam...simple and basic way.

However...

Why does a straight trajectory traveling particle chooses to follow such RADICAL ANGULAR TURN away from the magnetic B Field Vector?

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For the Magnetic B Field...there has not been any explanation at all as why particle "chooses automatically" and Accurately to "BEND" at 90º angle to the B Field Vector...therefore, it is non parallel but very perpendicular particle response.

Why B Field Vector is exerting a force away at 90º? Or why are they Perpendicular to B Field?...because of fingers or axis pointing towards, enforcing the way up or down?...That is not an explanation.

Particle(s) are guided to an empty spatial point that have absolutely no reason to follow such behavior just because Lorentz said "Forces are Perpendicular to B Field Vector".

To me that was and is pure BS...

Ever, anyone of you asked this question to your teachers...or even to yourself?

All this scenario is only a part of the CRT Video(s) am working on and fully demonstrated with a cheap, Black and White CRT...Electron (-) charged Beam...hitting and lighting a fluorescent screen as a plain Dot...a very Visually Bright and Vivid (q-) Charged Particle representation...

Ask yourself what would happen when we face the B Field against Current Vector (I) at 180º or a straight line?

How do we set our fingers then?

And then there is some more...


Cheers


Ufopolitics

EDIT 1: Believe it or not...here is where all the BS started...seizing the real answer and giving this BS about "Perpendicular Forces" in Magnetic Fields reactions to current flow...out of no where...no solid explanations at all.

[bistander]

Which finger to use?

Ok, but, like I wrote before...

The Hand Rules are REFERENCE METHODS, Guidelines to find out Vectors Spatial Positioning according to 3 Axis, and using the fingers to mimic those axis at 90º etc,etc...

But forgetting about the Hands, Fingers and Rules from Fleming's...

Where is the FULL SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION for this 3X90º Axis Manifesting F , B and I ...following such fashion?

Even if We go back in time and start from the famous Hendrick Lorentz "q" charged particle from the "Lorentz Forces" Chapter...and the Vectors and reactions against a Magnetic Field (B)and an Electric Field (E)...we can perfectly notice that those angles and vectors were just pushed arbitrarily without a reasonable explanation at all.

Again:

[IMG][/IMG]

The E-Field and q particle is completely understood, as it is a Parallel Response, straight and very obvious one...negative particle (q-) will definitively follow and be attracted towards the Positive Plate of the electric field...and so on with the positively charged particle (q+) will go to negative plate of electric field...simple, very simple...

If you are familiar with the way Electric Field Drivers for a Radar or old Oscilloscope CRT works...it is based on this principle, positive and negative plates deflecting beam...simple and basic way.

However...

Why does the particle chooses to follow such ANGLED path for the magnetic B Field?

[IMG][/IMG]

For the Magnetic B Field...there is absolutely no explanation at all as why particle "chooses automatically" and Accurately to manifest at 90º angle to the B Field Vector...therefore, it is non parallel but very perpendicular particle response.

Why B Field Forces are following 90º? Or why are they Perpendicular to B Field?...because of fingers or axis pointing towards, enforcing the way up or down?...

Particle(s) are guided to a spatial point that have absolutely no reason to follow such behavior just because Lorentz said "Forces are Perpendicular to B Field Vector".

To me that was and is pure BS...

Ever, anyone of you asked this question to your teachers...or even to yourself?

All this scenario is only a part of the CRT Video(s) am working on and fully demonstrated with a cheap, Black and White CRT...Electron (-) charged Beam...hitting and lighting a fluorescent screen as a plain Dot...a very Visually Bright and Vivid (q-) Charged Particle representation...

Ask yourself what would happen when we face the B Field against Current Vector (I) at 180º or a straight line?

How do we set our fingers then?

And then there is some more...


Cheers


Ufopolitics

EDIT 1: Believe it or not...here is where all the BS started...seizing the real answer and giving this BS about "Perpendicular Forces" in Magnetic Fields reactions to current flow...out of no where...no solid explanations at all.

Hi Ufo,

So you have a charge traveling through a magnetic field and wonder why the resultant force is perpendicular to both the magnetic field and to the direction of travel. Realize that a traveling charge is a current pulse albeit a very short one. And that a current (as in a conductor or wire) creates a magnetic field around that wire. This can be observed several ways including your favorite; iron powder. From: The magnetic field



The traveling charge will have an accompanying magnetic field just like the current in the wire only it will exist only around the charge. This field due to the moving charge is independent of the external field meaning it would exist if there were no external field. But when in the presence of an external magnetic field, it will interact with that field. The resulting "distortion" field will create a gradient which produces a force on that charge which is in a direction perpendicular to both the velocity and external field.

When searching around looking for an iron powder image I came across the image you used to state the question. Further into that reference is some explanation*, although I don't think it is very clear. So here is a image showing the field distortion I spoke about:

Ask yourself what would happen when we face the B Field against Current Vector (I) at 180º or a straight line?

At 180º or 0º, the resulting force is zero. The vector math shows this.

Hope that helps.

bi

* Magnetic Fields

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,

So you have a charge traveling through a magnetic field and wonder why the resultant force is perpendicular to both the magnetic field and to the direction of travel. Realize that a traveling charge is a current pulse albeit a very short one. And that a current (as in a conductor or wire) creates a magnetic field around that wire. This can be observed several ways including your favorite; iron powder. From: The magnetic field



The traveling charge will have an accompanying magnetic field just like the current in the wire only it will exist only around the charge. This field due to the moving charge is independent of the external field meaning it would exist if there were no external field. But when in the presence of an external magnetic field, it will interact with that field. The resulting "distortion" field will create a gradient which produces a force on that charge which is in a direction perpendicular to both the velocity and external field.

When searching around looking for an iron powder image I came across the image you used to state the question. Further into that reference is some explanation*, although I don't think it is very clear. So here is a image showing the field distortion I spoke about:





At 180º or 0º, the resulting force is zero. The vector math shows this.

Hope that helps.

bi

* Magnetic Fields

Thanks for taking your time Bistander,

And again, I understand you are responding based on your acquired or searched-refreshed knowledge level...I appreciate that...but want to say that my answers, may sound ironic or critical sometimes...or not believing all you are writing here...however, my distrust is also based on my end of research and development and have absolutely no personal matter directly to you...but directed to the wrong info or explanations we all have received from the classic magnetism theories.

So, what you are saying is that the charged particle q has a magnetic field surrounding it...like in a carrying current wire...seen with my favorite iron filings...So, assuming this tiny magnetic field is aligning according to the V(velocity) Direction Vector of particle q (like in the wire)...and this q magnetic field is interacting with the much stronger static field N>S...Am I right so far?

So, resuming...that the radical and always very precise 90º turn of q particle is due to this tiny particle magnetic field interacting with huge static B field?

I will say I will have to make this CAD Geometry to see if the small field lines turning around q...when interacting with B Field could possibly justify this 90º turn...just look at the cross section of B Field compared to particle field possible radius...so to evaluate at which point of this big cross section area...particle will make that radical turn...I will tell you where: exactly at the center of the B Field X Section area...why not at the very start entering?...or at the end?...why always at the perfect middle center?

The way I verify this behavior in real testing is with a small B&W CRT...where I can disconnect both deflection driver Coils and obtain just a dot on screen...This dot is a product of an electron beam...or a negatively charged particle(s) continuously flowing through beam(just like a straight copper conductor)...and hitting fluorescent screen then illuminating brighter as a dot.
When you approach a magnetic field to the tube neck...beam deflects on screen...and depending on B Field direction (N>S or S<N) as well as if B Field approach is horizontal or vertically...dot will move either vertically or horizontally...always following those exact 90º turn as stated on the Theory.

Now...does the electron beam also has a magnetic field around it?...IDK and am not gonna start searching on that matter right now...too late.

Related to zero resultant on a straight confrontation between I and B Field...that could be according to math...but not in reality...

I will tell you it gets more complicated than just the basic approaches as stated on this diagrams above about q deflecting 90º on B Field...to the point this theory will not be able to explain it.


Thanks again


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Charges

Thanks for taking your time Bistander,

And again, I understand you are responding based on your acquired or searched-refreshed knowledge level...I appreciate that...but want to say that my answers, may sound ironic or critical sometimes...or not believing all you are writing here...however, my distrust is also based on my end of research and development and have absolutely no personal matter directly to you...but directed to the wrong info or explanations we all have received from the classic magnetism theories.

So, what you are saying is that the charged particle q has a magnetic field surrounding it...like in a carrying current wire...seen with my favorite iron filings...So, assuming this tiny magnetic field is aligning according to the V(velocity) Direction Vector of particle q (like in the wire)...and this q magnetic field is interacting with the much stronger static field N>S...Am I right so far?

So, resuming...that the radical and always very precise 90º turn of q particle is due to this tiny particle magnetic field interacting with huge static B field?

I will say I will have to make this CAD Geometry to see if the small field lines turning around q...when interacting with B Field could possibly justify this 90º turn...just look at the cross section of B Field compared to particle field possible radius...so to evaluate at which point of this big cross section area...particle will make that radical turn...I will tell you where: exactly at the center of the B Field X Section area...why not at the very start entering?...or at the end?...why always at the perfect middle center?

The way I verify this behavior in real testing is with a small B&W CRT...where I can disconnect both deflection driver Coils and obtain just a dot on screen...This dot is a product of an electron beam...or a negatively charged particle(s) continuously flowing through beam(just like a straight copper conductor)...and hitting fluorescent screen then illuminating brighter as a dot.
When you approach a magnetic field to the tube neck...beam deflects on screen...and depending on B Field direction (N>S or S<N) as well as if B Field approach is horizontal or vertically...dot will move either vertically or horizontally...always following those exact 90º turn as stated on the Theory.

Now...does the electron beam also has a magnetic field around it?...IDK and am not gonna start searching on that matter right now...too late.

Related to zero resultant on a straight confrontation between I and B Field...that could be according to math...but not in reality...

I will tell you it gets more complicated than just the basic approaches as stated on this diagrams above about q deflecting 90º on B Field...to the point this theory will not be able to explain it.


Thanks again


Ufopolitics

Hi Ufo,

The electron beam is a current (negative) without a conductor or wire.

Nothing says the change of direction of the charge occurs in the center of the B field. Where the deflection happens and to what degree depends on many factors including the charge's momentum.

Also, placing a magnet on the outside surface of the CRT does not present a uniform B field on the other side of the screen. So the charges will not behave exactly like theoretical examples which use a uniform field.

bi

[mikrovolt]

There are a variety of various aetheric structures in the universe.
I will take a stab at trying to bring some meaning to this passionate discussion.
It is just specualtion that magnets are doing things that we did not expect.

There are flux disconnects and shedding of some of the outer energetic layer
but homestasis remains stable do to the great design of the earths magnesphere.
It is beneficial to flatuate as part of a cycle to rebalance our symbiotic microorganisms.

In contrast to saturns ring the form and function with earths magnetoshere are different.
Too gravity is said to be intensely repulse in places near ring where as the earth magetoshere
acts more as a shielding rather than a sling shot.

In forming bodies in space the vortex does play a roll. Because aether is capable
of changing forms. The roll of the vortex would most likely be found as a functioning
part of a different variety of aetheric structure or stage of development by function.

The picture does deserve some attention. the helix appears to be around arc
rather than a nucleus but as a busy composite around a core.
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/l...rth/spiral.gif

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,

The electron beam is a current (negative) without a conductor or wire.

Yes, I know that Bistander.
My question was...does the Electron Stream (Beam) have a magnetic field?

Nothing says the change of direction of the charge occurs in the center of the B field.

I know...there are many things that are not mentioned...

However, I know deflection does take place at exact center of magnet...or electromagnet...and that is where the B Field Vector is right?

And my answer above is based on the CRT Electron Particle Accelerator Gun testing I have done many times.

Where the deflection happens and to what degree depends on many factors including the charge's momentum.

On the CRT, once you disconnect both Deflector Drivers (Horizontal & Vert)...you get a Dot on very center of screen, regulated by the Control Grid...as all the Cathode-Anode Accelerating Circuits control that the Charge Momentum Flow/Stream to be very constant.(no flickering light dot)

The Angle of Deflection is basically controlled by the Field Intensity when we are talking about the fixed coil on tube neck of CRT (actually that is how an image is produced...by fluctuations and reversals of field input)...Now, as for experimenting...As you approach the magnetic field to the beam by the neck...it increases the deflecting angle up to a Max point. And of course, according to type of magnet strength you could reach the max point at further distance.

Also, placing a magnet on the outside surface of the CRT does not present a uniform B field on the other side of the screen. So the charges will not behave exactly like theoretical examples which use a uniform field.

bi

A "Uniform Field"...I guess you are referring to a N>>S from two independent magnets like shown in previous pics right?.

Well, when you are approaching Magnetic Field through the neck of CRT Tube...you could do two magnets one on each side...so, that is a Uniform Field.

See CGI Frames below when field is closing up on beam from both sides:

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The "Not Uniform Field" (single magnet) is a lot of fun when it does face the beam(dot) directly... as when approaching the sweeping vert or horizontal lines...you will see that on video.

There are many spatial positioning you could do around CRT...where a Uniform Field could be used besides the neck area of the glass tube.


Cheers


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufopolitics,

The MHD video posted is interesting. Generally you will find with this kind of thing there are actually two rotations (or more). One rotation seen as CW and another seen as CCW and being separated by a shear zone.

Thanks Sputins,

Yes, exactly I noticed that shear zone (shifted area, no vortex activity right?)
The Vortexes concentrate on the upper end of the magnets.

Of course there are other rotations...and not well defined...Low, Mid and High pressures are all inside bowl.

I’ve done this first hand with my Silver Cell, (used for refining silver to 99.999%). So the anode is located at the top with the cathode at the bottom. (The pure silver crystals form on the cathode, from Ag stock in the anode). The electrolyte is a very strong solution of Silver Nitrate.

Upon placing a Neo magnet on the underside of the cell, one can see the electrolyte begin to turn. It turns CW around close proximity to the anode and further way, the electrolyte actually turns CCW. There is a zone in the middle where it’s neither.

Tiny (non-magnetic) silver crystals that end up floating on top of the solution (surface tension) spin around with the solution, at a fixed speed.

It’s an odd thing. So-called electrons going from the cathode to the anode, as sliver metal crystals form on the cathode while branching out towards the anode. Meanwhile the electrolyte solution turns clockwise and also counter-clockwise. (The electrolyte turning is helpful in refining the silver as it keeps the solution “fresh” on the surface of the cathode).

Interesting, when one turns the magnet around the other way, the spin direction(s) of the electrolytic solution remains the same in this case. (Anode and cathode positions and polarity are kept the same).

One day I’ll try making a short video of this in action.


@Idrancer. Please go find another thread to bother.

Very interesting tests you have done!...please, whenever you get a chance, will love to see them in a video.

One question...have you ever tested an iron core electromagnet inside the electrolyte?

That would be my next test...and it could be moved around to observe all vortex details...

I believe we could have some spinning activity just with electromagnet running ...without input to anode-cathode...cause we have them both, electric and magnetic field in one shot.


Regards


Ufopolitics