ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[Ufopolitics]

Magnetic Interactions Elasticity... seen through ferrocells

Ufo,

It is illogical to conclude that magnetism bends light from viewing images made using ferrocells. I don't believe that the images which I've seen from ferrocells are an accurate representation of the magnetic field.

Bistander,

I have gone a bit further than Ken viewing magnetic fields through Ferrocells.

Ken remains observing single magnets under ferrocell which gives you a stationary field.

I have played a lot with magnetic interactions of many different combinations, maybe because my work (electrodynamic machines) depends on constant magnetic interactions to help me visualize the field better...

It is a completely different behavior when you approach either two opposite or two like magnetic polarizations under ferrocells. You can observe very clearly the Elasticity and real Volume from both fields...just like a "Soft Bubble"...where both either compress into each others...or simply "blend" into each others forming one single bubble...then you realize the Field is not only about the curvilinear brighter lines seen on the static, single field...but the whole 3D Volume it forms through them.

It defines very differently behavior on both Main interactions, Attract and Repulse.

I have filmed it...but it is not the same as to do it yourself...plus cameras must be very HD...and mine is...but I guess it is required even higher definition.

Did you see the one from MRIguy holding the ferrocell in the MRI? It's on the ferrocell home page. Too bad he doesn't come around this board anymore. You can believe anything Ken tells you. I'll stick to what works.

Regards,

bi

Nope, I have not seen it...I will try searching on ferrocellusa home page....


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Sputins]

Opposing Magnets

Some question about magnet arrangements …

Photos would help explain my questions but I’ll have to add photo’s later.

If one takes two magnets and (say each being round, half inch long) and sandwich a piece of ferrous metal in between (say a couple of iron washers) with the two magnets in attraction. In other words, two attracting magnets held together but with a few washers between them. So we have: North-Iron-South. Let’s also say there is a hole through the magnets and washers so that we can bolt them together with a stainless nut and bolt. Call this arrangement Magnet Set A.

Okay, now a similar arrangement is made, same magnets, same washers but instead of the washers being sandwiched between north and south poles of each magnet, we spin one magnet around so we force two like poles together with the iron washers in between. With the hole through them we can bolt them together with a stainless steel nut & bolt. So we have North-Iron-North. Call this arrangement Magnet Set B.
When one makes these magnet arrangements A & B, the iron washers of set B have incredible magnetic strength, compared to that of set A. (or even the a single magnet).

Q1, Is this because the iron washers in set A are more or less in the dielectric plain of the magnet or the (blotch wall to use another term) thus the magnetic strength is weaker here? Set B have the two north fields forced into the iron washers, giving rise to double the magnetic strength?

Q2, Has this opposing fields forced together been viewed with a Ferrocell?
Magnet Set B is like the Boyed Bushman magnet drop experiment concept and similar in principal to Magnetic Beam Amplifier. I think Bedini has done something similar too.

Okay given all that, leads me to the important Q3: What would be an electromagnetic analogy or equivalent circuit of the principal behind Magnetic Set B??

[Sputins]

Okay, now a similar arrangement is made, same magnets, same washers but instead of the washers being sandwiched between north and south poles of each magnet, we spin one magnet around so we force two like poles together with the iron washers in between. With the hole through them we can bolt them together with a stainless steel nut & bolt. So we have North-Iron-North. Call this arrangement Magnet Set B.

When one makes these magnet arrangements A & B, the iron washers of set B have incredible magnetic strength, compared to that of set A. (or even the a single magnet).

Q1, Is this because the iron washers in set A are more or less in the dielectric plain of the magnet or the (blotch wall to use another term) thus the magnetic strength is weaker here? Set B have the two north fields forced into the iron washers, giving rise to double the magnetic strength?

Q2, Has this opposing fields forced together been viewed with a Ferrocell?
Magnet Set B is like the Boyed Bushman magnet drop experiment concept and similar in principal to Magnetic Beam Amplifier. I think Bedini has done something similar too.

Okay given all that, leads me to the important Q3: What would be an electromagnetic analogy or equivalent circuit of the principal behind Magnetic Set B??

(Cricket sounds)…

Okay, I found the basic answers to what I was looking for…

CRT screen image with opposing fields, flux lines contract into the magnetic conducting medium: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvUiQ3IMHMU

And see here for “Partnered Coils” – The Electromagnetic equivalent circuit to forcing two opposing magnets together. **Note, pay special attention to the links provided in the video description. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUy_9jDKDvo

I can now go and cook up the project in mind, now that I have the special sauce required for the recipe.

[bistander]

Crickets

Hi Sputins,

I was going to reply but decided to let the crickets or Ufo address your post. I believe in the old school magnetic theory, meaning no imaginary planes or walls in the middle. I like the flux lines. In the following link you'll find femm animated simulations. #1 is of two magnets moving together N to S. #2 is N to N. Having a couple steel washers between makes little difference. The important thing to notice is the density of the field lines in the middle where the magnets meet. Much, much denser with the N-N case. The greater the number of these field lines linking a test iron sample in the field, the greater the force exerted on the sample.

Magnets in Motion

No doubt Ufo will have a different take. More discussion can be found on page 9 of this thread.

bi

[Ufopolitics]

My "take"...

Hello Sputins, hello Bistander,

Sorry about the crickets...am swamped.

Sputins,

That CRT test and his conclusions are right on.

Repulsion fields compress each others, energy compressed.

Now thinking of spinning fields... two like poles will spin opposite when facing each others (repulsion)....while, when poles are alike (attraction) and facing each others they will spin (both) in the same direction. From here we could realize how this whole thing works...

For a long time we have used the Single B-Field convention, based on a single flow magnetic field...and this is wrong, North have a B-Field as well as South have another B-Field within the same magnet...or coil (electromagnet), and they originate at the very center of their embodiment.

Putting a piece of iron in between, whether for attract or repulse, will just expand the Spatial Interaction magnetic center into the ferromagnetic material, but it would not change it in any other way.

I read all this two pdf plus the other video...and yes, this guys I could say are "warm" into finding out the truth...but they are still bound to some old conventions which keeps them from reaching the whole thing.

Bistabder,

Yes, Repulsion is definitively a much more "dense" field...so, yes, I agree to that...

So, my "take" was not that different so far huh?


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Sputins]

Thanks for the replies Bistander & Ufopolitics.

Bistander - the steel washers do seem to make a difference in that it gives the magnetic flux a medium in which act upon / within. But it is only a medium.

With steel washers between two attracting magnets N, steel S, there is minimal or almost no attraction of another steel washer towards the washers between the magnets. – Sure this may suggest reduced lines of flux at that location but also gives rise to the indication of the Bloch wall idea.

The steel washers are particularly interesting between the two opposing poles. The steel washers are attracted to the pole of each magnet, but the like poles are opposed to each other. Depending on the size or mass of the steel and strength of the magnet as to which force is the greater. - Either the attraction of the steel washer to the magnet, or the repulsion of the two other like pole magnets…

With a ferrous magnet one can make two like poles stick to each side of a lump of steel. With Neo magnets it is more difficult to achieve. (So you physically force them and lock them in place).

With the steel washers between the opposing magnets one can bring another washer to it and it will be attracted to the steel washers between opposing poles and “sticks” with an amazing strength of force.

I was taught standard magnetic theory myself. But being who I am, I love learning alternative theories to what is normally taught. Plus I will admit I am firmly in the Eric Dollard camp.

However as long as a new theory makes reasonable sense and there is some basic evidence – I’ll have an open mind with most subjects. It’s okay to understand multiple theories on the one subject.

@ Ufo - What I find as being key, as you stated is the compression of energy. It is constrained or held in a constant strain of potential. Once the initial work of forcing and locking the like poles together, the straining forces continue…

The compressional magnetic forces, (Counterspace?) wanting to return to equilibrium. Under this condition, could the propagation of the electric flux field somehow be altered?

With the opposing magnets analogy applied electromagnetically, seems to be one of the keys to some of the alternative energy technology we’re all interested in.

Yeah, I thought hyiq’s pdf’s and videos held some reasonable value. Good that you checked them out.

Time to wind some transformers…

[bistander]

Crt

CRT screen image with opposing fields, flux lines contract into the magnetic conducting medium: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvUiQ3IMHMU

OK, to both Ufo and Sputins,

I think I saw agreement between the three of us over the last several posts (an unlikely event) that the external magnetic field is greater when the two magnets are brought together with like poles facing, N-N. And a weaker external field when N-S.

The CRT pattern shrinks when he moves to the N-N and expands with the N-S. Seems to me that the larger external magnetic field produces or has a smaller influence on the CRT. This is interesting because it supports my reasoning that the CRT doesn't display patterns representing magnetic fields, but patterns which opposes the magnetic fields placed on the outside of the screen.

Just an observation and opinion.

And I did not follow that fellow's talk about the coils. You say there's a pdf. Link?

Thanks,

bi

[Sputins]

Internal and External

OK, to both Ufo and Sputins,

I think I saw agreement between the three of us over the last several posts (an unlikely event) that the external magnetic field is greater when the two magnets are brought together with like poles facing, N-N. And a weaker external field when N-S.

The CRT pattern shrinks when he moves to the N-N and expands with the N-S. Seems to me that the larger external magnetic field produces or has a smaller influence on the CRT. This is interesting because it supports my reasoning that the CRT doesn't display patterns representing magnetic fields, but patterns which opposes the magnetic fields placed on the outside of the screen.

Just an observation and opinion.

And I did not follow that fellow's talk about the coils. You say there's a pdf. Link?

Thanks,

bi

Bi,

Not sure if there is a total agreement as yet, but almost... But at least we can discuss it like gentlemen.

The CRT pattern I think is displaying correctly. Not opposing the actual magnetic fields. - Here's why I say that:

The two like poles, N,N or S,S shows a weaker external field on the screen and an expanded magnetic field on the screen with N,S or S,N. - All true.

But the N,N or S,S is the set that has the concentrated magnetic flux density, ie put it on some metal and it "sticks" with two or three times the force than the N,S or S,N.

That is because the like pole's field is an internal concentration, or compression within the metallic lattice. While the the opposite poles have an expanded external magnetic field.

Proof is via a very simple experimental test: The opposite pole magnet set attract another magnet or steel washer from a further distance away than like pole set do. - By a reasonable amount of distance too. So it is an expanded magnetic field.

The like pole magnet set you have to bring them much closer in order to attract another magnet or steel washer. But when it does stick, it is very strong indeed.

So N,S or S,N produce an expansive external field and N,N or S,S produce a internal compressional field.

So we do seem to have one expansive direction and another contracting direction to magnetism.

It is actually fairly simple and it is now much more clear in my mind now! The penny has dropped for me i think.


You could do these experiments yourself...


When I have time I'll document this photographically & by measurement using scales to measure the pull force of each magnetic set and also an attraction distance test...

Here are the links I hinted at, found when you expand the description on the video:
http://www.hyiq.org/downloads/guidel...ng%20Coils.pdf
http://vixra.org/pdf/1204.0084v1.pdf

[bistander]

Bi,
.....
Here are the links I hinted at, found when you expand the description on the video:
http://www.hyiq.org/downloads/guidel...ng%20Coils.pdf
http://vixra.org/pdf/1204.0084v1.pdf

Hi Sputins,

Thanks for the links. From the second pdf:

The power can be delivered with zero input current ...

I'd say that is pretty unlikely. Are you going attempt to replicate it?

bi

[Sputins]

Hi Sputins,

Thanks for the links. From the second pdf:
I'd say that is pretty unlikely. Are you going attempt to replicate it?

bi

I have not tried the configuration shown within the said pdf as yet, but I have been playing around with some microwave oven transfomer (MOT) cores and rewinding them to suit.

I'm not after OU as such but for use with a particular application I have in mind.

[Ufopolitics]

Thanks for the replies Bistander & Ufopolitics.

@ Ufo - What I find as being key, as you stated is the compression of energy. It is constrained or held in a constant strain of potential. Once the initial work of forcing and locking the like poles together, the straining forces continue…

Hey Sputins, my pleasure.

Take a look at Ken's Book page I brought up below...and before as well...

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From the right image (repulsion under iron dust) He writes:

"Far right are two likewise spin fields causing deflection; this is mirror membrane Ether deflection, this is
literally extremely high-pressure space,...

N on N or S on S don’t terminate within each other, since this is a positive pressure gradient on the same plane and not a vacuum or voidance pressure plane in an inverse CW on CCW movement, but this is all driven by dielectricity. Nature has no poles, only CW and CCW spin and mutually seeking pressures of equilibrium.

Ken Wheeler

From P-73

The compressional magnetic forces, (Counterspace?) wanting to return to equilibrium. Under this condition, could the propagation of the electric flux field somehow be altered?

With the opposing magnets analogy applied electromagnetically, seems to be one of the keys to some of the alternative energy technology we’re all interested in.

You are EXTREMELY HOT there, above paragraph...no warm, no medium heat...you've got it right there!

The thing here is so simple...so much SIMPLICITY (like Feynman said on that video...)...and ALL is blocking US ALL from understanding and reaching the pure white light...is this darn old "classic theories" about magnetism...otherwise the entire world would be making their own energy anywhere...

We are ALL wrong 180º in Classic Magnetism Theories..thanks to Hendrik Lorentz sponsored by J.P Morgan...


Take care


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Crt...

OK, to both Ufo and Sputins,

I think I saw agreement between the three of us over the last several posts (an unlikely event) that the external magnetic field is greater when the two magnets are brought together with like poles facing, N-N. And a weaker external field when N-S.

The CRT pattern shrinks when he moves to the N-N and expands with the N-S. Seems to me that the larger external magnetic field produces or has a smaller influence on the CRT. This is interesting because it supports my reasoning that the CRT doesn't display patterns representing magnetic fields, but patterns which opposes the magnetic fields placed on the outside of the screen.

Just an observation and opinion.

And I did not follow that fellow's talk about the coils. You say there's a pdf. Link?

Thanks,

bi

Bistander,


Before attempting to just assume about CRT Images from Magnetic Fields...I would rather recommend you start looking first at Monochromatic CRT´s...or B&W...then start putting together all reactions from different fields, interactions etc.etc...a bit more complex approach when RGB Three guns CRT's...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Sputins]

highly pressured space

The thing here is so simple...so much SIMPLICITY (like Feynman said on that video...)...and ALL is blocking US ALL from understanding and reaching the pure white light...is this darn old "classic theories" about magnetism...otherwise the entire world would be making their own energy anywhere...

We are ALL wrong 180º in Classic Magnetism Theories..thanks to Hendrik Lorentz sponsored by J.P Morgan...

Take care

Ufopolitics

The Workings of the Universe are “Elegantly Simple” as Wal Thornhill would say.

I’ve had a few sleepless nights with my brain stewing on the implications and actions of all this… Without question there is internal compression and external expansion of the magnetic flux, depending upon the interacting spins. This could be viewed as an inter and outer oscillation.

Playing with more magnets and washers, one can make two opposing sets, (same magnets, with the steel washers in between) N,N and then a second opposing set S,S, four magnets in total. Now when these two opposite, opposing magnet sets are brought together, now in attraction to each other, - I can hardly pull them apart again!

It is several times more force than the four magnets just all put together in standard attraction fashion.

Just how much can one compress the magnetic flux within a given medium or mass?

One could take opposing magnet process, two fold, take an opposing set and another “like spin” opposing set and force those together, to create an even more compressed, “highly pressured space”.

Then the question arises on how these concepts can be applied Electo-magnetically and what happens to electric flux when interacting with highly pressurised space?

Damn, more sleepless nights ahead...

[bistander]

Reality & truth

The thing here is so simple...so much SIMPLICITY (like Feynman said on that video...)...and ALL is blocking US ALL from understanding and reaching the pure white light...is this darn old "classic theories" about magnetism...otherwise the entire world would be making their own energy anywhere...

Ufopolitics

Hi Ufo,

Or, if you consider the facts, "classic theories" are valid, then your statement looks like this:

The thing here is so simple...so much SIMPLICITY ...and ALL is blocking US ALL from understanding and reaching the pure white light...is this darn old "reality" about magnetism...otherwise the entire world would be making their own energy anywhere...

Or:

The thing here is so simple...so much SIMPLICITY ...and ALL is blocking US ALL from understanding and reaching the pure white light...is this darn old "truth" about magnetism...otherwise the entire world would be making their own energy anywhere...

Regards,

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Simplicity...blocked for 200 plus years

Hi Ufo,

Or, if you consider the facts, "classic theories" are valid...

Regards,

bi

But they are not valid, not to the real magnetic Field, they could be "valid" for a theoretical, mathematical formula which is only true within that wrong model of a dynamic field under arrest and rusted out by iron particles sprinkled all around it...and the completely non sense Single Flow Theory only from North to South...

Then the way to look at Induced EMF is -of course- also wrong...deriving from this twisted theoretical model based on "Imaginary Lines of Force"...

Lorentz concluded that magnetic fields are not rotational, nor divergent...and man, was he wrong about this...but of course...he was paid to do so.

To keep believing all this was and still is fine, perfect and "valid" keeps blocking you from seeing the simplicity of the real thing.


That simple!


Time will tell...soon.


Regards


Ufopolitics