ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[dyetalon]

Hi dyetalon,

That is a nice image but what does it represent; certainly not the magnetic field?

From: https://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=light-viewer




I'm not saying ferrocells aren't interesting or useful. I'm just trying to understand what information is or can be obtained from the image. It is not the magnetic field as it is defined in science, academia, or industry. The closest explanation that I've seen is traces representing magnetic vector potentials plus some other yet unexplained phenomena.

Regards,

bi

I'd like to move this conversation to the General area and leave Kens discussion. I started a new thread there but is not appearing yet.

For now, open your imagination into a situation where two phases cancel out.
That leaves nothing. Now you turn on a light. Then you see the "nothing".

Its the lowest potential. Zero point. The Bloch region.

[bistander]

New thread

I'd like to move this conversation to the General area and leave Kens discussion. I started a new thread there but is not appearing yet.

For now, open your imagination into a situation where two phases cancel out.
That leaves nothing. Now you turn on a light. Then you see the "nothing".

Its the lowest potential. Zero point. The Bloch region.

O.K. See you there.

New thread.

http://www.energeticforum.com/genera...ferrolens.html

[Markoul]

And something no one ever talks about is the Fe3O4 (magnetite) used in Hobby-Experimenter grade Ferrofluid (EFH1) is FERRIMAGNETIC not FERROMAGNETIC. Look it up.

Yes that is correct iron oxide like the Fe3O4 usually used in the Ferrocells are ferrimangetic as Timm mentions. I knew that but never mentioned it because this would complicate things even more than they are already in this thread.

https://sciencing.com/differences-be...m-8488277.html

Classes of Magnetic Materials

However, the ferrimagnetism is one of the strongest points of the Ferrocell may I add because the neighboring magnetic parallel chains of Fe3O4 nanoparticles formed under the influence of an external magnetic field, due their antipolarity are not magnetically interacting (i.e. by that i mean there is no torque produced between to parallel chains therefore remain parallel) with each other and hold in equilibrium, in contrast we have in the case of ferromagnetic iron fillings which actually deforming the applied magnetic field to a point we see the familiar N-S shortcircuit image field that the iron fillings show.

Therefore when an external magnetic field is applied, because ferrimagnetic property of Fe3O4 nanoparticles neighboring parallel chains inside a Ferrocell and also the single domain behavior (superparamagnetism) of the nanoparticles inside the same chain, Ferrocell is producing minimum interference distortion to the external magnetic field applied and is able to follow correctly without distortion its flux.

Thus, a Ferrocell shows the correct flux of a magnetic field and not iron filings.

No perception tricks no light tricks no tricks.

The image we get from the Ferrocell of a magnetic field IS THE FIELD OF A MAGNET!...or the closest to reality that humans ever achieved in history.

my2cents

EM

[Ufopolitics]

@Tim Vanderelli

Hello Timm,

Like I wrote before, you are always welcome to keep whatever conversation here as you would like...

Want to keep Ken out of your conversation...that is perfectly fine with me.

I have seen those images (the "eye of Ra...) from Michael Snyder-Revolution Labs..he have them in different colors...

Now I have a question about a ferrofluid test.

Have anyone you know off...made a clear container w water plus water based ferrofluid...not too concentrated...then submerge a magnet in...then add some lighting?

Just to see if loose ferrofluid particles, dissolved in water, would form a 3D Volume within container?

I have ordered some water based ferrofluid to conduct some experiments...and the above is #1 on the list.


P.D: whenever you get that new Thread open and displayed, please share here the link to it.


Thanks and Kind Regards


Ufopolitics

[mikrovolt]

I realize that UFO crt demonstration has raster line ect. We can also compare with and without raster and other dynamics. The Ken W video on centrifugal centrapedal effects on crt. Ken's presentation being Sat July 5th at 11:00 am coming up.

( excluding still pictures I do admit there is various brain activity how our 2 eyes see a 3D image )
https://youtu.be/Dilk8gcDxac

Looking at a another video we discussed briefly a while back. ( Credit to Rice University, Houstan TX has something else to say. )
There is an interesting scene in the focused beam video. The electron gun may have more value in our quest to see magnetism.
It also has vortex and this is a common thread among those that believe that a vortex does play a role. This is not taught in lower levels.

magnet and cathode ray.JPG

The video demonstrates a magnet pointed straight on to the focused cathode ray. In this scene the teacher also shows the magnet at an angle.
In this scene I see more geometry and intersecting lines, the gases are showing slight glow in specific places. The gases are showing
something that is not readily intuitive which is not like the ferro-fluid multi cone head or the metal filing fuzz head.

Also, wondering what proportion of magnetic and electric raises a question: How much of each component is contributing to the deflection ?
In the remainder of the video the voltage on the e-beam is being increased inside a uniform field.
Another question is what would happen if the voltage was increased in the scene shown by image above ?

The scene shown above referenced is video called "magnetic force on charged particles" (Rice U online video )

https://youtu.be/orsMYomjwIw?t=62

[Ufopolitics]

Hello to All,

Below is a picture taken from Ken Wheeler's Book:

And here is my simple graphical display of:

THE TWO POLES (NORTH-SOUTH) AND THE EXACT CENTER DIVISION BETWEEN BOTH.

Now, from Ken's Video:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72pjGA-1EuI[/VIDEO]

Now, an Image from that video about same view, center of magnet revealed by Ferrofluid...but Full, complete...



Poles above are Up and Down of screen...You all could watch video to see full movement on top of magnet, plus comparison with View Film.

What Ken calls the Hyperboloid Geometrical Shape.

Now the same simple graphics as before:



DEPICTING CLEARLY WHERE FERROFLUID "SINKS"...EXACTLY AT THE CENTER OF ANY MAGNET

Anyone of the Nay Sayers have anything to say NOW about this completely

EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE?


Ufopolitics

[ricards]

And here is my simple graphical display of:

THE TWO POLES (NORTH-SOUTH) AND THE EXACT CENTER DIVISION BETWEEN BOTH.






Now the same simple graphics as before:



DEPICTING CLEARLY WHERE FERROFLUID "SINKS"...EXACTLY AT THE CENTER OF ANY MAGNET

Anyone of the Nay Sayers have anything to say NOW about this completely

EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE?


Ufopolitics

UFO,

a fluid Takes the shape of a container..

the Ferro... is attracted to the magnet but is restricted by that bent container..

there is an accumulation on top of the magnet and the bottom of the magnet indicating the ferro.. is attracted on the poles.. the flux now is guided to a less reluctant path (for the academic troll) and would be guided

very similar in the first video markoul snapshot.. there is a fluid in the middle connecting the fluid attracted to the north and south pole of a magnet..
If you were to break that It will and both fluid will accumulate only on the poles, If you were to guide it again (physically guiding the ferro..).. It will make that "Hourglass" shape again.

You are all great thinkers.. that I'm sure..
but to complicate a simple thing such as a "Magnetic Field" geometry isn't very smart..
such things can be explained with common sense..

If you people are contesting the magnetic field is not that of the Iron filings depiction.. then I will agree.. Its not..
because its much much much much.. bigger.. the filings shrinked it BUT not deformed it..
no double hemisphere, nor vortex..

you may have a GREAT theory explaining how galaxies work.. I can accept that.. because we cannot disprove it..

BUT NO.. not the permanent magnet..

I will mention it again..

THE MAGNETIC ATTRACTION.. WILL DESTROY THE VERY GEOMETRY YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO PROMOTE.. IN WHICH KEN'S BOOK CONVENIENTLY ELIMINATES.

[Markoul]

Dear ricards,

Ferrofluid ferrimagnetic and superparamgnetic thin film inside the ferrocell aligns parallel to the external magnetic field therefore the magnetic image produced is a perfect copy of the flux of the field under observation.

Iron filings are attracted by the strongest nearest pole of a magnet thus attracted only by the two strongest potentials of the field of a magnet meaning its two poles, therefore only depicting the N-S axis direction of a magnet and unable to depict the complete flux of the field which has much more than two potentials! They are really just compasses pointing only at the strongest magnetic potential found in an area and unsuitable for any flux observation.

That's all really.

If you can not understand that, I can not help you.

Let's say we agree that we disagree shake hands and you leave this thread here.

No point is staying in a thread of no interest for you and just endless debate looping.

I will stop to respond further to your posts. It is a waste of time for both of us, I believe.

Kind Regards,

EM

[ricards]

Dear ricards,

Ferrofluid ferrimagnetic and superparamgnetic thin film inside the ferrocell aligns parallel to the external magnetic field therefore the magnetic image produced is a perfect copy of the flux of the field under observation.

Iron filings are attracted by the strongest nearest pole of a magnet thus attracted only by the two strongest potentials of the field of a magnet meaning its two poles, therefore only depicting the N-S axis direction of a magnet and unable to depict the complete flux of the field which has much more than two potentials! They are really just compasses pointing only at the strongest magnetic potential found in an area and unsuitable for any flux observation.

That's all really.

If you can not understand that, I can not help you.

Let's say we agree that we disagree shake hands and you leave this thread here.

No point is staying in a thread of no interest for you and just endless debate looping.

I will stop to respond further to your posts. It is a waste of time for both of us, I believe.

Kind Regards,

EM

Markoul,

Your mistaken that I'm NOT Interested in this topic, the very reason I kept
reading and posting is because I am..

I have not Closed my mind in what you guys propose here (the New Magnetic Field) unlike you guys have closed your minds in what you see with the Iron Filings (nor that video with the levitating magnet poured with ferrofluid)..
ITS NOT WRONG!.. IT WONT LIE!..

I offer my Interpretation with that phenomenon twice!.. The Flux are "Flexible"! and can be guided.. You nor UFO have not stated otherwise meaning you guys agree.. and are aware of it..

Okay I have an Idea, Let's put your New Magnetic Field models to test..
(don't worry no Iron filings)..

A ferrofluid in sandwiched in a glass with lights below.. but this time..
It should have a SLOT in the middle of it for a magnet to go through..

If what you guys interpret is correct.. we should be able to see light interference as the magnet goes up and down that Slot..
because as you state It pictures the 2D (Plane) of a 3D (Volume) of the Magnetic field..
in Engineering terminology we call it Section view (I hope It's a little bit academic Language for you now)..

Unlike you I do think on how to resolve the situation.. I don't just argue!.

[Ufopolitics]

UFO,

a fluid Takes the shape of a container..

Yes, a fluid inside a container, of course it takes container shape...and in both cases ONLY APPLIES, THEREFORE, RELATES ONLY TO THE WATER INSIDE CONTAINER.

BUT, FERROFLUID IS FREELY LOOSE WITHIN WATER, just like a drop of water on air...since both ferrofluid shown are NOT WATER BASED, SO THE SHAPE IT TAKES-NO MATTER CONTAINER SHAPE- IS SPHERICAL Under NO INFLUENCE FROM ANY MAGNETIC FIELD.

According to iron filings shape IT "SHOULD" FORM A SPHEROIDAL SHAPE...but IT DOES NOT!
IT FORMS A HYPERBOLOID, AN HOURGLASS SHAPE...WITH A "WAIST"...A SHRINK BELT EXACTLY AT CENTER...

And that particular shape does Not belong to any container form, nor ANY FREE LOOSE FORM.

the Ferro... is attracted to the magnet but is restricted by that bent container..


there is an accumulation on top of the magnet and the bottom of the magnet indicating the ferro.. is attracted on the poles.. the flux now is guided to a less reluctant path (for the academic troll) and would be guided

very similar in the first video markoul snapshot.. there is a fluid in the middle connecting the fluid attracted to the north and south pole of a magnet..
If you were to break that It will and both fluid will accumulate only on the poles, If you were to guide it again (physically guiding the ferro..).. It will make that "Hourglass" shape again.

You are all great thinkers.. that I'm sure..
but to complicate a simple thing such as a "Magnetic Field" geometry isn't very smart..
such things can be explained with common sense..

If you people are contesting the magnetic field is not that of the Iron filings depiction.. then I will agree.. Its not..
because its much much much much.. bigger.. the filings shrinked it BUT not deformed it..
no double hemisphere, nor vortex..

you may have a GREAT theory explaining how galaxies work.. I can accept that.. because we cannot disprove it..

BUT NO.. not the permanent magnet..

I will mention it again..

THE MAGNETIC ATTRACTION.. WILL DESTROY THE VERY GEOMETRY YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO PROMOTE.. IN WHICH KEN'S BOOK CONVENIENTLY ELIMINATES.

ALL OF THE ABOVE....PLAIN AND SIMPLE BS!!!

The shape of container influences THE SHAPE OF WATER, BUT NOT THE FERROFLUID!!!

Ferrofluid WITHIN WATER WITHOUT ANY INFLUENCE IS A SIMPLE BALL.

This is NOT TINKERING...THIS ARE EXPERIMENTS AND TESTS!

LEARN THE MEANING OF "TINKERER"...THIS IS SCIENCE...

AND...THERE IS NO "NEW MAGNETISM"...BUT SAME OL ALWAYS EXISTED MAGNETISM.



Ufopolitics

[dyetalon]

...A ferrofluid in sandwiched in a glass with lights below.. but this time..
It should have a SLOT in the middle of it for a magnet to go through...

Check new thread: http://www.energeticforum.com/genera...ferrolens.html

[Markoul]

Markoul,

Your mistaken that I'm NOT Interested in this topic, the very reason I kept
reading and posting is because I am..

I have not Closed my mind in what you guys propose here (the New Magnetic Field) unlike you guys have closed your minds in what you see with the Iron Filings (nor that video with the levitating magnet poured with ferrofluid)..
ITS NOT WRONG!.. IT WONT LIE!..

I offer my Interpretation with that phenomenon twice!.. The Flux are "Flexible"! and can be guided.. You nor UFO have not stated otherwise meaning you guys agree.. and are aware of it..

Okay I have an Idea, Let's put your New Magnetic Field models to test..
(don't worry no Iron filings)..

A ferrofluid in sandwiched in a glass with lights below.. but this time..
It should have a SLOT in the middle of it for a magnet to go through..

If what you guys interpret is correct.. we should be able to see light interference as the magnet goes up and down that Slot..
because as you state It pictures the 2D (Plane) of a 3D (Volume) of the Magnetic field..
in Engineering terminology we call it Section view (I hope It's a little bit academic Language for you now)..

Unlike you I do think on how to resolve the situation.. I don't just argue!.

Here is your ****ing slot!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG6-QseOpI4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVUi6Jm9Ghg

[Markoul]

Beautiful analogy

Hello Bistander,

It "was" a good and quiet Sunday evening!!...

Just kidding...



Wrong conception...

Magnetic Field is invisible to our eyes, BUT NOT to the Ferrocell.

Ferrocell "sees" the whole 3D Field Volume, and I mean the whole thing...even the further layers...then print its view into a 2D Image.

Ferrocell is sensitive to Magnetic Field, it reacts and realigns according to the magnetic Field positioning based on its Viewing Capturing Angle.




Bistander, if my analogy of "wireframe" was bad...your "Transparent Pages Book" is even worst.

First off...a book is a reading object, always based on 2D Text and Images.

A 3D Wireframe is much closer to a 3D Field.

But I agree that the wireframe is not that good of an explanation to understand how Ferrocell works...so here is another analogy, which I have mentioned before...

PHOTOGRAPHY AND LIGHT SENSITIVE CAPTURING DEVICES

The sensitive film captures a 3D Image of reality through the camera lens and then takes it into a 3D Flat Print.

On a Photograph you can clearly see/define in depth images which are further away from first plane images.

If you set your lens adjustment to "infinite" capturing, then ALL objects will appear "in focus", no matter how far away from the camera they are.

However, if you adjust lens to Focus on first planes only...then all far away objects would appear blurred or "out of focus"...and there would be a point, where the furthest objects would just appear as "blemishes, or spots" which contour lines are not defined, but faded away.

Ferrocell does exactly this second adjustment, where only immediate second planes would be "in focus" while the furthest away would be blurred out and darker, because of the reach of light as well.

And so even a best analogy would be the "Imaging Sensor" from a Digital Camera...



Only thing...is that above sensor is only sensitive to light...and Ferrocell is only sensitive to Magnetic Fields.




How could you be so sure...that we are wrong and you are right?

What or Who gave you such info?

Your lack to interpret Magnetic Fields True 3D Imaging...simply relies in your very low knowledge about Spatial Geometry plus Imaging Perspective Basics and Fundamentals Interpretation...mixed up with a very low capacity to build in your mind 3D Models, before taking them into prints, 3D CAD's...or paintings.

And just because you have a very low perception about 3D Volumes Interpretation...does not grants you the right to deny others who can clearly do, plus show others how to understand it.

First Career I took when I was a kid...was Architecture...and it does helps a lot for this job.


Regards


Ufopolitics

Ufopolitics,

Only thing...is that above sensor is only sensitive to light...and Ferrocell is only sensitive to Magnetic Fields.

You couldn't put it more beautiful than that! Bravo!

This analogy was simply genius!!

Of course range in distance of ferrocell is limited compared with a CCD sensor.

Thank you my friend.

EM
p.s.
I will be gone for a while to Timm's newly thread. These thread here I believe deserves a vacation. I hope you will join? You can not leave me alone with ricards iamnuts microvolt!

[Markoul]

My purpose is to establish to the world the real geometry of the magnetic field shown by the ferrocell.

We did 200 years ago a mistake... it is time to rectify it...

Do you understand how significant this is? If we got the geometry of the field wrong this will prevent us from going to the stars!!

...everything changes even the dipole magnetic field of the electron!! to the discovery of dark matter and dark energy domain!!




EM

[ricards]

Here is your ****ing slot!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG6-QseOpI4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVUi6Jm9Ghg

GREAT FIND MARKOUL!!.. now what did you interpret from it?..
Did you notice the Double Hemisphere is now forming sideways of what you propose?..

ALSO NOTICE..
when when the magnet is passed halfway (at the bloch region).. the ferrolens behave as if there was no magnet.. well its understandable..
BUT according to your model IT (ferrofluid) SHOULD HAVE ACCUMULATED NEAR THE MAGNET.. but it DIDN"T.. what does that mean?..

also you missed this one..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpA_0eNKkdo

This is the configuration I was talking about!..
Magnetic North and South parallel to the Ferrolens.
there were no light interference as far as I can tell.. Indicating the spherical rotation of UFO's Model is wrong, Flux are straight parallel to the Magnetic North-Magnetic South Axis and is guided by the ferro material.

but I must admit there is still that formation of double hemisphere (looking at the darkened pattern)..

and also this one..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ueVhG8hT3E

a ferrolens experiments agrees with classical Magnetic field. at certain angle..
and it agrees with that double hemisphere also at certain angles..

I guess this is all optical Illusion.

I almost completely forgotten... all credits to the owner of the video..