ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[Ernst]

UFO,
If I had to choose between "OVERWEIGHT BELLY FROM AN OBESE EATING DISORDER PERSON" and "Miss Universe ...90-60-90", Miss Universe would ALWAYS win.

But my point is that the experiment shown and your graphics support the iron-filings model perfectly.
You bring it up as evidence against model 1, but it matches perfectly with model 1.


Ernst.

[BroMikey]

I found some interesting pictures from other schools. Model 1
is a 6th grade learning tool only. Time to throw away the diapers.
Yes model 1 is correct in that it has 1 of the patterns present in a
magnet but our understanding of the more complex
patterns is emanate.

[Ernst]

Hi UFO,
No matter how much I love miss Universe's waist, if you draw an arbitrary line in a magnetic field, that does not make it a field-line.
The field lines should always be perpendicular on the gravitational dielectric countervoidance membrane (yes, I am warming up to it , though I have no idea what I am saying) of the small magnets that you have drawn.
Or in other (normal) words in the N-S direction of those magnets. In the images shown this is clearly not the case, so the "travel flow" with the adorable waist is not a field line.


Ernst.

[BroMikey]

After watching the video I decided to pull up Ken Wheeler's pretty
pictures. Then I hacked it so we might focus on the center.

In Ken's picture we clearly see the same lines of force (MAGNETIC LINES
OF POWERFUL FORCES) as what UFO has shown with his magnetic tester
gauge. Nice work UFO. Hat's Off to a thinking man.

The idea that metal gets magnetized is well known but if heated it will
resume it's normal status again so I can see where the use of iron filings
could almost be constituted a trick, especially if ONLY iron filings are
permitted to measure magnets in schools.

There I go again, I don't believe anything the US Gov tells me. I have
figured out almost everything I ever learned all on my own and school
books often slowed me down in finding the answers.

It is done by experiment all by your lonesome.

I see Ken made some of the lines of force other colors. Maybe the
colors are to keep it from looking all the same?

But the lines ARE there right where you measured them UFO and
not one school book has even suggested it once. I think when the US
gov started flying gravitationally driven crafts around in the 50's
they decided to keep the public from finding out the root effects
found in magnets that hold the secrets.

The green arrows are the lines of force you measured in the video not
the giant yellow ones.

[bistander]

Hi Bi,

You show me the flux pattern of an air core coil. But, ehr... why?

What would you have expected your sensor to do if the ancient model 1 were correct?

I know it was a question to Ufo, but I thought it might help, that's all.

[bistander]

So, I decided to make a Sensor which Magnetic Field could not be overridden or highly influenced by the magnetic field under observation...like in the video shown previously, those are tiny Rare Earth Magnets, BUT pretty strong. So, the stronger the magnet in your sensor is...the more precise results would be obtained.

Hi Ufo,

The sensor strength came to my mind also. I think it is influencing the experiment. The sensor is establishing its own field and distorting the field of the subject object. Sensors for these types of measurements are typically very high impedance devices which have minimal influence on the measurement. You wouldn't happen to have a gaussmeter would you?

Regards,

bi

[Ben2503]

Hi Bi,

You show me the flux pattern of an air core coil. But, ehr... why?

@Ben,
I was part of that "Dutch disease"...
But I came out very disillusioned. In response to our protests the Dutch government gave Russia an ultimatum... As if a superpower would respond to a tiny country such as ours!!!
But Russia DID They actually accepted our proposal!
So what happened next? Our PM gave this speech:
"I have hoped and prayed that it would not be necessary, but Russia responded too late..."
Which was not true, they accepted and they accepted in time.
But what else could our PM do? The missiles were already installed a few months before the official decision was made.... and even before our protests....

My faith in our government has never recovered....


Ernst.

You shouldn't be frustrated. As history shows, the Dutch disease did work.
That our beloved PM told a different story, because he could admit giving in to bunch of longhaired, beardy hippies :-), I can understand. He is a politician :-)
the withdrawal of those cruise missiles already in the country was a great succes. Probably the greatest victory in Europe to date, despite of what politicians may say or claim.
That the americans called it the Dutch disease just confirms that they admitted to be defeated and were fearing the spreading of the disease.
If you were an active member of this peace movement, I sincerely thank you for your effort:noteworthy: we enjoy the fruits every day, without the Dutch Disease all of Western Europe would be destroyed and radio active today.

Thanks again

[Ben2503]

explain the video

Ok UFO,
What I have done is....
- searched for an iron filings image here
- took your "wrong path" image and scaled it to this image
- took your "right path" image and scaled it in the same way
- I flipped the "right path" image vertically so that it appears in the lower half of the image
- I over-layed the iron filings image with your graphics (sorry for the distortion)

That image you can find in the attachments to this post.
What you can see now is that the iron filings do not support your "wrong path" image, but instead match perfectly with the "right path" image.

So in short, I agree with your graphics, but they do not differentiate between the model 1 and your theory.
So model 1 is still upheld. No condolences needed .


Ernst.

Hi Ernst.
We can discuss for years which model is the correct one. With my limited capacities, I would say that what the iron fillings show, is just the behavior of iron fillings in a magnetic field. There is nothing wrong or good about it.
The magnetic viewing film shows a different pattern, I am still not sure what it is it shows.

Could you explain the behavior of UFO's sensor as shown in the middle of his video (4:00 to 5:00) to me please?
thanks
Ben

[Jeff Pearson]

It appears to me the film is showing the actual fields. The filings show the EFFECTS of the fields but not the fields themselves. Both are correct in what they are showing. My 2 cents......and also, UFOs graphic MATCHES Tesla's decription of rotating magnetic fields

[ldrancer]

the object magnet and the concept magnet seems here to being switched aroudn with the definitions given. The picture, shows what teh object a magnet is like doing in your own theory which i coudlnt argue with it, but the concept of how a magnet, why it works, isnt explained by that picture and is ridiculous.
like i was saying before in the other thread, its showing a transmission, not a motor. where is in input on the magnet. it's doing pulling right? so where is the power for this coming from? it doesnt show, and a transmission won't explain it. that picture of the arrows and stuff, explains a transmission. not a magnet like the thing that attracts and pushes away. just the black stick bar with a n and s and half painted red.

[Ernst]

You shouldn't be frustrated. As history shows, the Dutch disease did work.
That our beloved PM told a different story, because he could admit giving in to bunch of longhaired, beardy hippies :-), I can understand. He is a politician :-)
the withdrawal of those cruise missiles already in the country was a great succes. Probably the greatest victory in Europe to date, despite of what politicians may say or claim.
That the americans called it the Dutch disease just confirms that they admitted to be defeated and were fearing the spreading of the disease.
If you were an active member of this peace movement, I sincerely thank you for your effort:noteworthy: we enjoy the fruits every day, without the Dutch Disease all of Western Europe would be destroyed and radio active today.

Thanks again

I was but a tiny part of this.... But there were many, many tiny parts....

Ernst.

[Ernst]

Hi Ernst.
We can discuss for years which model is the correct one. With my limited capacities, I would say that what the iron fillings show, is just the behavior of iron fillings in a magnetic field. There is nothing wrong or good about it.
The magnetic viewing film shows a different pattern, I am still not sure what it is it shows.

Could you explain the behavior of UFO's sensor as shown in the middle of his video (4:00 to 5:00) to me please?
thanks
Ben

I also don't know what a magnetic film shows and how it works. I'd have to look that up.
The behaviour of the sensor, I believe, is completely explained by the (many) images on this page of the thread. The sudden flip, if you are referring to that happens because the preferred slow turn has been made impossible. It then always turns the side of the sensor that is most attracted towards the (nearest) point that attracts it.
Just add up all the forces working on both surfaces of the sensor... you will get exactly this behaviour.


Ernst.

[Ben2503]

I also don't know what a magnetic film shows and how it works. I'd have to look that up.
The behaviour of the sensor, I believe, is completely explained by the (many) images on this page of the thread. The sudden flip, if you are referring to that happens because the preferred slow turn has been made impossible. It then always turns the side of the sensor that is most attracted towards the (nearest) point that attracts it.
Just add up all the forces working on both surfaces of the sensor... you will get exactly this behaviour.


Ernst.

Hi Ernst.
IMHO your explanation fits to the first part of the video, which is somewhat confusing as UFO apparatus has pointers that basically point in an east-west direction. So if you look carefully, it is actually confirming the field lines as would be indicated by a compass. However on the second part, where he turned the magnets 90 degrees, it gives the same indications as the viewing film.
I do recall a measurement with a flux meter that gave the same indication, a null reading right in the middle of the magnet, but also in the centerline of the magnets.
You may want to watch this guy. In my view he is spot on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sUP_iL6NIU
Best regards,
Ben

[Ufopolitics]

Back again...

Hello to All,

@BroMikey: First, many thanks Bro, for your constant support and trust in me!
And, yes you were right that Ken's Theory have similar lines as the Model 1, However, like you posted before...In the whole Magnetic Field Drawing like he has below:

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The green flow above, which looks like my drawings and experiment is what he calls "Intermediate Pressure Lines", shown below:

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He explains there those lines do not have enough strength (pressure) to pass the dielectric plane to the opposite end polarization, therefore, both return at center plane.

I have done both 3D CAD CGI of both Structure types as well:

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And:

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However, in either Viewing Film, nor Ferrocell we see a return from pole to pole like in Model 1:

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So, what we see on those imaging through both methods is Model 2 and his original picture, where he leaves this outer lines OPEN, not returning to the other pole...like:

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CRT plus my CGI adapting lines and flow:

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Concluding that so far, even in the CRT Imaging, I have not seen a Model 1 fully revealed...where we could observe lines returning from pole to pole, bypassing through Dielectric Plane.

So, I rather stick to the structure that so far has been revealed by this screening methods (3 types), as well they could be felt through experiments.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[BroMikey]

You may want to watch this guy. In my view he is spot on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sUP_iL6NIU
Best regards,
Ben

What you have offered here will shatter classical engineering models.
You have amazed me Ben. The man in the video claims
that physicist's play to much with their https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boson funny guy.

He is another thinker, what a wonderful video to find, very refreshing.
My 12year old and I are watching now, he home schools.

The kitty in the video is a bunch of fun too, Jordy says. Mr T, oh yeah.

Thanks Ben