ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[ldrancer]

im jsut gonna double post here. youve not shown a vortex. you have not prove the concept of a vortex. there is no vortex in that video. you got it? now my point is that its not real.. your just, well.. i dont know. theres no such thing as a vortex and you dont know how a magnet works. like the claim you made that its a vortex. a vortex is a concept

[Sputins]

Mhd

Hello to All,

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65SaRqdcdng[/VIDEO]

The set up is very simple...a glass container, a strip of copper surrounding the inner mid section and connected to positive. The Electrode was a brass rod connected to negative.

The reason why I chose to connect the electric field developing inside electrolyte to be that way is simple...a Magnet Vortex is Centrifugal, meaning it evolves from center to outer space...so I wanted to reproduce the E-Field that same way in order not to be opposed which case could mess up reading in directions of vortexes for each polarization. So, if Electrode is at very center of container, electrons will travel outwards (centrifugal as well) towards the positive closed copper plate.

The main chemical to add to water is the Potassium Hydroxide (1 Tablespoon). However, the only available concentrated drain cleaner I found had also Sodium Hydroxide (kind of a salt, but very caustic)...but it worked out just fine.


WARNING: PLEASE DO NOT HANDLE THIS ELECTROLYTE WITHOUT RUBBER GLOVES SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO WORK WITH THIS TYPE OF CHEMICALS!!

This chemicals will eat your skin, making it first very soapy like...as it will damage any plastics or electronics like a Camera.

As you could realize...non of this additives to water is Ferromagnetic, therefore, there is absolutely no magnetic influence to any of the observed floating/moving/spinning particles, which majority are debris from reactions to the copper strip plate catalyzed by the E-Field (Electron Bombardment) action.

I believe spinning direction is clearly observed for each polarization....I used an HD Cam...and tried that all the video formatting process did not affect viewing details in high quality.

I am not that happy with illumination though...I wanted to be able to observe bubbles much brighter...and you noticed when I am moving a front light trying to...

Original tests supposed to have all power connecting metals to be 100% Stainless Steel, I did not had those at the moment...so debris was created with copper. And instead of a strip...it was a whole stainless bowl as container and positive conductor...but then camera could only have a top view, which is not what I wanted.

Also, 12 Volts is the recommended voltage...

I hope you enjoy seeing a Vortex on a Magnet...since Lorentz disregarded this possibility many years ago, since it does conflict with his mathematics...However, Vortex is there...and clear.


Regards



Ufopolitics

Hi Ufopolitics,

The MHD video posted is interesting. Generally you will find with this kind of thing there are actually two rotations (or more). One rotation seen as CW and another seen as CCW and being separated by a shear zone.

I’ve done this first hand with my Silver Cell, (used for refining silver to 99.999%). So the anode is located at the top with the cathode at the bottom. (The pure silver crystals form on the cathode, from Ag stock in the anode). The electrolyte is a very strong solution of Silver Nitrate.

Upon placing a Neo magnet on the underside of the cell, one can see the electrolyte begin to turn. It turns CW around close proximity to the anode and further way, the electrolyte actually turns CCW. There is a zone in the middle where it’s neither.

Tiny (non-magnetic) silver crystals that end up floating on top of the solution (surface tension) spin around with the solution, at a fixed speed.

It’s an odd thing. So-called electrons going from the cathode to the anode, as sliver metal crystals form on the cathode while branching out towards the anode. Meanwhile the electrolyte solution turns clockwise and also counter-clockwise. (The electrolyte turning is helpful in refining the silver as it keeps the solution “fresh” on the surface of the cathode).

Interesting, when one turns the magnet around the other way, the spin direction(s) of the electrolytic solution remains the same in this case. (Anode and cathode positions and polarity are kept the same).

One day I’ll try making a short video of this in action.


@Idrancer. Please go find another thread to bother.

[bistander]

Really big magnetic field

Hi Ufo,

Did you notice this?

https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/1214

The images of magnetic fields are particularly interesting to me. I don't see a vortex and do not see the field behavior at the equator that you claim (ie. dielectric plane).

WRT the swirling liquid in your video: Have you considered it is due to the currents flowing in the stationary magnetic field?

Nice research.

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,

Did you notice this?
The images of magnetic fields are particularly interesting to me. I don't see a vortex and do not see the field behavior at the equator that you claim (ie. dielectric plane).

Hello Bistander,

You will not see a Vortex in a Stationary picture...ever.

Like I have shown on the Magnetism Particle Dynamics video...the Higher Pressure Lines traveling from N to S and from S to N are located in the Outer "Shell" of Magnetic Field...It is also shown on Ken's Book...understand that up to here?

Well, if you cover up the Magnetic Field with ferromagnetic Filings/Powder, in the immediate space where it is located...like a piece of paper on top of magnet...then this particles will actually Stick to this outer shell, freezing, pausing any vortexing activity...As well as blocking Visibility of the Internal Structure of Field, where the Mid Pressures which are the ones who defines the Equator or Inertial Dielectric Plane would be completely occluded by ferromagnetic filings.

Can you visualize/understand that part so far?.


Could You visualize a 3D Layer over a 3D Shaped Object?...Then Imagine the whole Field as that object...imagine the field does have "internal components" defining its inner moving parts/vortexes...while having an outer 3D Layer where the HP lines Fluctuate/Travel...Now dust it up with ferromagnetics...like spray painting the "Invisible Man"...now what do you see?

If You paint with a solid color paint (like the iron particles are, very solid) the outer 3D Layer of Field....you will never, ever see its internal components.

WRT the swirling liquid in your video: Have you considered it is due to the currents flowing in the stationary magnetic field?

I do not think so...

Why currents flowing through any kind of static, rigid shape object... will ever cause the liquid (plus debris) to generate such high speed turbulence?

I believe we could even set inside there a Turbine Propeller...static...with the most aerodynamic fins design ever conceived/constructed....and still...there will be no turbulence created.

That is the reason why I tested a piece of iron cylinder with the same exact shape and mass...but non magnetized...nothing happens...Calm.

On another question to you...Why does the direction of Turbulence changes when I flipped Magnet?...If that "Static Field" is so Symmetric, and so evenly distributed straight lines from N>S...then why fluid vortex reverse directions so radically?

Nice research.

bi

Thanks


Cheers


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Liquid armature

Why currents flowing through any kind of static, rigid shape object... will ever cause the liquid (plus debris) to generate such high speed turbulence?

I was referring to currents or moving charges in the liquid solution. Like a motor with a liquid armature.

[Ufopolitics]

I was referring to currents or moving charges in the liquid solution. Like a motor with a liquid armature.

Like I wrote before...

In this experiment I have set a fixed E-Field which travels radially from center where negative brass rod is, towards the outer looped positively charged copper strip in a 360º.

This charged particles (or "moving charges" as you wrote) supposedly travel straight to outer looped copper anode.However, as a matter of fact, the distance between cathode-anode is so big for the weak electrical input provided, that bubbles just ascend to surface as you could observe on video with no magnetic field presence.

Like I said before...why a static/non charged/non pulsing object or entity, once submersed in the liquid container would create such a vortex on the electrolyte?

Could you cite an example where this "phenomena" takes place?


Thanks



Ufopolitics

[aljhoa]

The images of magnetic fields are particularly interesting to me.

The field lines defining the structure of the magnetic field are similar to those of a simple bar magnet, as illustrated in the following figure.

I don't see a vortex ...

Its rotation winds up the magnetic field into a large rotating spiral, known as the Parker spiral, named after the scientist who first described it.




Al

[Ufopolitics]

TinManPower doing similar MHD...

Bob Smith brought this link to my YT Chanel...

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-37Ecjd7FQQ&feature=youtu.be[/VIDEO]

magnetic vortex using full current loop anode

Video Description:

Published on Jul 20, 2014

In this test,i am using a full current loop anode.this will give an even flow of current to the magnet through the full 360*.The whole thread can be found in the link below,As you will see,there is much heated debate going on about the magnetic vortex theory.The work belong's to a member by the name TheoriaApophasis. I am mearly doing some reserch to see if there is any truth to the theory. So far,all my results say that the PM is what is producing the spin-but more test to come.

Regards


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Unipolar motor

Like I wrote before...

In this experiment I have set a fixed E-Field which travels radially from center where negative brass rod is, towards the outer looped positively charged copper strip in a 360º.

This charged particles (or "moving charges" as you wrote) supposedly travel straight to outer looped copper anode.However, as a matter of fact, the distance between cathode-anode is so big for the weak electrical input provided, that bubbles just ascend to surface as you could observe on video with no magnetic field presence.

Like I said before...why a static/non charged/non pulsing object or entity, once submersed in the liquid container would create such a vortex on the electrolyte?

Could you cite an example where this "phenomena" takes place?

I'll try this, Ufo.



So, imagine the object in Figura 1 at 90º, shaft vertical. Then in your set-up, the magnet is the shaft. Your electric field is the deltaV running horizontal from the shaft to your collection ring. With current (or moving charges) going outwards from the shaft (magnet) to the ring. Your B field is vertical. Your "disk" is liquid. The result is a force, F, as seen in Fig. 1, rotating the liquid disk around the shaft.

I left the link in native language.

bi

[Ufopolitics]

A 200 + Years Arrest...

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Imagine an invisible Swiss watch, the finest ever built...a perfect machine, accurate movements, lot of components constantly moving...However, by being invisible, we could only feel it to the touch...but we can not see it...

So, some bright minds decide to dump some colored liquid concrete inside its machinery and outer embodiment...and yes, now we see it!...but only its outer cover...and it stop functioning...

That is exactly what we have done to the Magnetic Field for more than 200 years...

Is it that hard to understand?

[bistander]

Earth's magnetic field

The field lines defining the structure of the magnetic field are similar to those of a simple bar magnet, as illustrated in the following figure.

Hi al,

Yes, I've seen the bar magnet-Earth example many times.

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Its rotation winds up the magnetic field into a large rotating spiral, known as the Parker spiral, named after the scientist who first described it.


Al

This applies to the Sun with its Solar wind. I do not think it applies to the Earth's magnetic field. However the Earth's magnetic field is distorted by the Solar wind, obviously.

Thanks,

bi

[bistander]

Existing model is not wrong

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Is it that hard to understand?

I guess it is hard for me to understand how something (our existing model) you say is "wrong" has worked so well and been so useful to mankind for the past couple of centuries. I am not saying that existing model is 100% complete and accurate, but it is far from being proven wrong and it is the most useful tool we have for this field of science and engineering at the moment. May there be more to it? Hidden surprises which enable better understanding, use and machines? I hope so. But I do not see anything which proves existing theory wrong.

As always, you're entitled to your opinion; I'm entitled to my opinion. No need for name calling. Just proceed with your proof. Thank you.

bi

[Ufopolitics]

The wrong Model

I guess it is hard for me to understand how something (our existing model) you say is "wrong" has worked so well and been so useful to mankind for the past couple of centuries. I am not saying that existing model is 100% complete and accurate, but it is far from being proven wrong and it is the most useful tool we have for this field of science and engineering at the moment. May there be more to it? Hidden surprises which enable better understanding, use and machines? I hope so. But I do not see anything which proves existing theory wrong.

As always, you're entitled to your opinion; I'm entitled to my opinion. No need for name calling. Just proceed with your proof. Thank you.

bi

It is exactly that way...Like you've said...it is not 100% complete and accurate.

The existing Iron Chained Model does give us an Outer Look of the Magnetic Field...but lacks to:

1-Show Field Vortex dynamics.
2-Show Field inner components.

There are more...but let's see just these two for now.

Out of those two "hidden and locked by iron" properties of magnetic fields...I will affirm that the worst one to be ignored is number one...the Spiraling/Vortex Properties.

The Magnetic Field could have been much more useful to mankind...than just the use we have been giving...due to this chained model as a guideline.

I could also say that the Gas and Diesel Engines have been very useful to mankind right?...They have transported mankind all over the planet...given us all kind of motoring power, tooling, home, industry...etc,etc

However, the Internal Combustion Engines are about 20-40% efficient?(Gas is 20%, Diesel is about 40%)

Most internal combustion engines are incredibly inefficient at turning fuel burned into usable energy. The efficiency by which they do so is measured in terms of "thermal efficiency", and most gasoline combustion engines average around 20 percent thermal efficiency.Apr 14, 2014

For God sake!...that is a very low efficiency!!

So, in conclusion...we have been running all this time...on a 20% efficient ICE...

And so we have been using maybe only around 20% from Magnetic Fields full capacity, due to this wrong Iron Chained Model.

Of course I do have them...I said it before.

[bistander]

And so we have been using maybe only around 20% from Magnetic Fields full capacity, due to this wrong Iron Chained Model.

So what? The magnetic field is just an interim step, or conversion, in our ultimate electromechanical energy conversion machinery (motors and generators). And the electric to mechanical and mechanical to electric machine conversions are very efficient; on the order of 95 to 98% for higher power levels. I do not understand why you compare that to 20% fuel burners.

If you cut the losses in half for a 96% efficient 100kW electric generator, you save 2.08kW. If you cut the losses in half for a 20% 100kW gas engine, you save 200kW. You want to improve the energy consumption, maybe you should look at the real waste, not the electric machinery.

bi

[Ufopolitics]

I'll try this, Ufo.



So, imagine the object in Figura 1 at 90º, shaft vertical. Then in your set-up, the magnet is the shaft. Your electric field is the deltaV running horizontal from the shaft to your collection ring. With current (or moving charges) going outwards from the shaft (magnet) to the ring. Your B field is vertical. Your "disk" is liquid. The result is a force, F, as seen in Fig. 1, rotating the liquid disk around the shaft.

I left the link in native language.

bi

Oh!, Español!...I was surprised that it came from you in this language...

That was a pretty "surrealistic" example (Liquid Armature)...but I like it...it will not get us anywhere...but pretty accurate example, I must admit.

Let me guess...here in order to determine F Direction...we must use Flemming's Left Hand Rule right?

Where B Field is our Index...Middle I (Current) and Thumb our F Direction...I learned it right Uh?

Resuming, all this fingers alignment do is use the three axis coordinates...

This is a perfect example of how we could just be so conformed (abide, obey) to such "solution" to A very clever Problem...


The Fleming Right and Left Rules...are just a REFERENCE METHOD to obtain results on one variable, knowing the other two...

But it completely lacks to give us THE REAL EXPLANATION as to WHY this takes place like it does.

And here is when no one could be able to explain the reason why of these Three Dimensional exchange of forces based on the three axis or three fingers.

I guess it would be a point where this 3 fingers/axis will not be even "applicable"...then what do we do?


This example above is just one way of many we have been "moving ahead" in evolution, thinking we did find the answer through a Reference Method, a "Patch"...but not having the right and real explanation(s).


Getting back to your example...yes, that could be a possibility...but why does the B Field at 90º to Current (I), and other 90º to Force works that way?

Maybe the ONLY REAL EXPLANATION...would be that the B Field is nothing more than the center Bisector of a Spiral Vortex of Force my friend.


Cheers


Ufopolitics