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  • Originally posted by ldrancer View Post
    ...................... i guess or is it again parroting ken?

    so your comment wasnt needed

    cant you spell comment?

    i dont think we should talk

    Today's quiz is to find the cooling vortex tube. Never mind I
    should have known better than to ask a half wit.

    It's right on his belt. Now don't say I never helped you out.

    The helmets would work for you seeing you are such
    a hot head. You want me to find you a size XXL model?

    I guess we will have to bring you up to speed, hell and
    everybody else. Don't worry I believe you will
    catch on well before you retire?

    This post maybe over your head.





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    • Originally posted by Iamnuts View Post
      I think it's worth looking at the bigger picture. For a start the Earth
      has a field, so does our Sun. Apparently magnetic bubbles break off
      from the Sun.
      There are fields associated with galaxies and also inter- galactic fields.
      I think magnetism really wants to do nothing, it is always other things
      that the magnet arranges into the lowest possible energy state.
      So folks think of a way to see the vortex which the Earth itself must
      have. It'll obviously be in everyone's garden!

      Scientists discover new form of light - UPI.com

      Al

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      • I got a reply for this. I was referring to the diagram the other guy showed, it looks like a rope. It probably is functioning as long as you arent expecting the ridiculous out of it. conratulations.

        Heres my response to the picture. Heres a picture.





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        • Idrancer...I am Fed Up with You bro!

          Originally posted by ldrancer View Post
          I got a reply for this. I was referring to the diagram the other guy showed, it looks like a rope. It probably is functioning as long as you arent expecting the ridiculous out of it. conratulations.

          Heres my response to the picture. Heres a picture.





          Idrancer,

          READ ME HERE BELOW, AND DO IT WELL

          I have let you post and post indefinitely on this Thread, and I have even tried to respond to you in my best of best of Patience.

          I HAVE NOT WRITTEN TO AARON, and get YOU and ALL your Insulting and Spamming Comments out of my Thread ONCE AND FOR GOOD, just because I have been, (and still am) , VERY BUSY WORKING ON THIS DEVELOPMENT.

          You make comment after comment without making absolutely NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

          I DO NOT LIKE, TO USE THE "IGNORE" BUTTON

          SO, I WANT TO ASK YOU A FAVOR, PLEASE.

          STOP POSTING HERE, UNLESS YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE DATA EXPOSED ON THIS THREAD.

          NOT TO KEEP REFUTING ABOUT VORTEXES OR WHATEVER!

          IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH KEN WHEELER, THIS IS NOT HIS THREAD BUT MINE!

          SO, GO THERE TO HIS THREAD AND POST THERE ALL YOU WANT ABOUT HIS THEORY, I COULD CARE LESS.


          TAKE THIS POST AS A FINAL NOTICE.

          OR I WILL WRITE TO AARON, AND IF YOU INSIST YOU MAY BE BANNED FROM THIS FORUM.


          BELIEVE ME, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE HERE WHO DO WANT YOU OUT OF HERE.

          I NEED TO MAKE SOME SEVERAL POST OF EXTREME IMPORTANCE, SO, IF YOU INTERRUPT ME WITH JUST ONE MORE COMMENT, I WILL WRITE TO AARON, PLUS ASK MORE PEOPLE TO WRITE TO HIM AS WELL.
          Last edited by Ufopolitics; 05-19-2016, 02:21 AM.
          Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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          • Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
            Idrancer,

            READ ME HERE BELOW, AND DO IT WELL

            I have let you post and post indefinitely on this Thread, and I have even tried to respond to you in my best of best of Patience.

            I HAVE NOT WRITTEN TO AARON, and get YOU and ALL your Insulting and Spamming Comments out of my Thread ONCE AND FOR GOOD, just because I have been, (and still am) , VERY BUSY WORKING ON THIS DEVELOPMENT.

            You make comment after comment without making absolutely NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

            I DO NOT LIKE, TO USE THE "IGNORE" BUTTON

            SO, I WANT TO ASK YOU A FAVOR, PLEASE.

            STOP POSTING HERE, UNLESS YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE DATA EXPOSED ON THIS THREAD.

            NOT TO KEEP REFUTING ABOUT VORTEXES OR WHATEVER!

            IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH KEN WHEELER, THIS IS NOT HIS THREAD BUT MINE!

            SO, GO THERE TO HIS THREAD AND POST THERE ALL YOU WANT ABOUT HIS THEORY, I COULD CARE LESS.


            TAKE THIS POST AS A FINAL NOTICE.

            OR I WILL WRITE TO AARON, AND IF YOU INSIST YOU MAY BE BANNED FROM THIS FORUM.


            BELIEVE ME, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE HERE WHO DO WANT YOU OUT OF HERE.

            I NEED TO MAKE SOME SEVERAL POST OF EXTREME IMPORTANCE, SO, IF YOU INTERRUPT ME WITH JUST ONE MORE COMMENT, I WILL WRITE TO AARON, PLUS ASK MORE PEOPLE TO WRITE TO HIM AS WELL.
            Yeah man I'll tell Aaron right now. When I was in school if
            I threw spitballs I got suspended. One time I a pulled a long
            hair from a girl in front of me and tied it around the neck of
            a lazy fly for kicks and a bunch of us laughed ourselves silly
            as I could fly the fly like a tiny kit.

            But this Idrancer person is hateful and purposely disruptive.

            I have a hard time concentrating as it is with your post UFO
            the posts must be studied and compared with the old school
            and so far our exchanges have been very limited as we are
            consumed with correcting belligerent insults.

            This person might be a Muslim, I have lived around them
            in Dearborn MI. Some of them hate without a cause if they
            find out you like Jewish people.

            This was a targeted subject by idrancer. I know it sounds
            out of the normal but I have no use for any person who
            hates others based on their ethnic status.

            I am truly an intercity warrior and the hair of the dog is standing.
            I hate pit-bulls and lawless people and have always had to
            pack some form of iron. I didn't like it but it is a means to
            an end. One for each hand sometimes.

            This person has no love/dignity/kindness inside of them, no fun,
            no nothing but pure hatred. it is not my job to convert this person
            to a human being nor would I force that task onto anyone else.

            Now if I left anything out I can always finish up later
            but it won't be pretty, better to cast them out first.

            I write these things out of cold intellect.

            It is cold outside. When I detect that a person has a murdering
            spirit, I mark them off right away and proceed to answer a fool
            according to their stupidity.

            It's about damn time.


            Last edited by BroMikey; 05-19-2016, 07:07 AM.

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            • ok ok ok.



              That better?

              you guys get mad at me in a religious thread if you want to.

              here ill go backto, this : "I have been extremely busy making this coming video so everybody will have a UNIFIED MAGNETISM THEORY based on Ken's Concepts."

              posted by ufopolitics, here, http://www.energeticforum.com/285412-post283.html

              So based on what the topic is about its a concept. Its religion and i have the right to tell you you're wrong. I have the hell yea.

              You said his concepts; of his theory. It's ramblings if theyre based off of concepts. They are not based on a working model, so they cant be nothing more than ramblings. Youve made your own. I am totally in the clear on what my intent in this topic is. You make a lot of accusations that are not true. Answer discrepancies. I mean ive asked good questions here. go back bromikeys trying to, jump on an invisible bandwagon after all he'd done anyway, and you have made it insanely appear for him now. This is crazy. anyway you need a point to the topic, not yell at me im on topic. Ive asked questions but rather than answer them you've claimed i m speaking about someone else, or have beef here, or something else other than to answer my questions.

              The middle of that picture is indecipherable, its a concept. not an object. The same thing about a galaxy anyones ideas that arent a working model are concepts.

              you guys are trying to end all thought. Watch a video about black holes and see how much just garbage they can go on about in an hour funded by your money too.

              edit: that is not a picture of anything real by the way.
              Last edited by ldrancer; 05-19-2016, 05:19 AM. Reason: hey

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              • Originally posted by ldrancer View Post

                ............. a religious thread



                posted by ufopolitics................

                Its religion and i have the right ........... I have the hell yea.

                It's ramblings ........ theyre based off of concepts.

                go back bromikeys trying to, jump on an invisible bandwagon,

                ..................................and you have made it insanely

                appear for him now.

                This is crazy.

                ......trying to end all thought. ............ how much just garbage

                Now this hater has cooled off a little so he can dig in and disrupt
                at the next interval. As can be seen above just ripping and tearing
                like a killer dog does.

                It is almost as if he is being paid to break the continuity of thought
                in this very complex and highly intellectual endeavor.

                The person is not here with good intentions. The person does
                not realize that the rest of us have a unity within our ranks of
                discussion that transcends the menial. Is in the dark to the fact
                that we all see right through the scam to divide.

                Anyone who has displayed this level of divisiveness has disqualified
                themselves as a rational free thinker having no place with us big
                boys, and this is why you will hear me say that so many times.

                No i wasn't just joking around about that. I am completely serious
                slash honest without reservation. Adolescent attacks prohibited.

                If it sounds like blowing in the wind, so be it.
                Last edited by BroMikey; 05-19-2016, 07:11 AM.

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                • Originally posted by aljhoa View Post





                  No "kament"


                  Al
                  so you guys, write wrong and I get insulted when i asked you what ou meant? and bromikey can spam his picutres and oh yea thats OK but when i put a picture i get chewed out.

                  ok. back to the religion thread which i can call out since you claim frreedom of religion and i claim speech. you can have your religion but i can speak all i want.

                  And once again you free at any time to state what the topic is besides the many things i have said and quoted you on saying it is. because you refuse to answer any discrepancies your supposed to debate me on your standing but you just call me an agitator or whatever the rest of it.

                  you dont want to debate cause its religion becuase you cant keep your definitions consistent.

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                  • Remember

                    Originally posted by ldrancer View Post
                    I got a reply for this. I was referring to the diagram the other guy showed, it looks like a rope. It probably is functioning as long as you arent expecting the ridiculous out of it. conratulations.

                    Heres my response to the picture. Heres a picture.
                    Originally posted by admin View Post
                    Please refrain from posting in Ken's thread anymore. You're very antagonistic towards his views in his own discussion so if you disagree this much, post elsewhere. You're welcome to start your own thread and discuss your own viewpoints, but plenty of members are interested in the conversation here with the exception of your repetitive disagreements.
                    ...................... Same Ole.............

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                    • hold one end and someone else hold the other, now spin it. one person looks at it, and sees it spinning cw the other sees it spinning, in the opposite direction. Thats the theory, it is a model. It is a working model. Your asking whats in the middle of a magnet so you can confuse people. just know that it works. who cares its there, a magnet does what a magnet does. dont worry about, it
                      ..

                      This evening, I would like to have your attention.
                      My celebrated opponent has proposed The rope theory which I dispute. I will briefly feign affection and respect for him. By taking a position opposing such a luminary, I will appear to elevate my inferior status nearer to his.
                      I will begin by contorting my opponent's proposal, creating a straw-man argument, easy to destroy but not so flimsy that decimating it will lack challenge or entertainment value.
                      I will follow by defaming my opponent's character thereby implying that his arguments, regardless of their content, do not hold.
                      Finally I will present my own position, in three parts:
                      First I will convey wrong ideas that will nevertheless appeal to persons with below-median intelligence. This aims to secure the favor of half the audience.
                      Second, I will reformulate my opponent's proposal in terms favorable to myself, using his very proposal, distinguished only by inflections and tone of voice. I will pepper this paraphrasing with polysyllabic and obscure diction, employing supercilious terminology and playful ironic bourgeois malapropisms to ensnare pseudo-intellectuals who otherwise hold a cynical position toward a charismatic personage such as myself.
                      Third, I will reinforce the claim that these ideas are superior to my opponent's, simply by repeating that claim several times.
                      I will conclude by taking questions and using each one to congratulate myself for my success and, if the occasion permits, to make hilarious jabs at my sad opponent.
                      I look forward to your attention..

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                      • Hermann Minkowski....Part 1

                        Hello to All,

                        Please, allow me to introduce on the next series of Posts the works from Hermann Minkowski (1864-1909), (A. Einstein Mathematics Professor) resumed in a full text book called Space and Time

                        According to my research, the best translation from the German language of the Two Main Chapters (to be discussed next) was done by Meghnad Saha in 1920. And is free to download at:

                        1-Space and Time (1908, translated in 1920 by Meghnad Saha) Only Pages 77-88 but enough to analyze them here.

                        2-The Fundamental Equations for Electromagnetic Processes in Moving Bodies (1907, translated in 1920 by Meghnad Saha)

                        You can also find a more recent book translated by Fritz Lewerto and Vesselin Petkov from the Minkowski Institute at Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

                        However, I have found -some how- different interpretations from the original statements by Minkowski, done by Petkov versus Saha translations, which I consider essential for a clear understanding of the complex formulations, basically in the Second Volume (Equations for Electromagnetic Processes in moving bodies) on the High Level Algebra and Integers based on Vectors of the II Kind.

                        At the same token, I found many excellent statements on the above work by Lewerto and Petkov (basically the later one, also the editor, Vesselin Petkov)...I will quote some below:

                        Not only the general public, but even students of physics appear to believe that the physics concept of spacetime was introduced by Einstein. This is both unfortunate and unfair.

                        It was Hermann Minkowski (Einstein's mathematics professor) who announced the new four-dimensional (spacetime) view of the world in 1908, which he deduced from experimental physics by decoding the profound message hidden in the failed experiments designed to discover absolute motion. Minkowski realized that the images coming from our senses, which seem to represent an evolving three-dimensional world, are only glimpses of a higher four-dimensional reality that is not divided into past, present, and future since space and all moments of time form an inseparable entity (spacetime).

                        Einstein's initial reaction to Minkowski's view of spacetime and the associated with it four-dimensional physics (also introduced by Minkowski) was not quite favorable: "Since the mathematicians have invaded the relativity theory, I do not understand it myself any more.“

                        However, later Einstein adopted not only Minkowski's spacetime physics (which was crucial for Einstein's revolutionary theory of gravity as curvature of spacetime), but also Minkowski's world view as evident from Einstein’s letter of condolences to the widow of his longtime friend Besso:

                        "Now Besso has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."

                        Besso left this world on 15 March 1955;
                        Einstein followed him on 18 April 1955
                        May the hope be fulfilled, through this dissertation, that a wider circle of people become motivated so that participants,
                        who immerse themselves in Minkowski's ideas and the theory of relativity, may each and all contribute their part to promote and spread this theory in accordance with Minkowski's bold dream and that, hence, future generations of mankind will be consciously aware that space and time recede completely to become mere shadows and only the space-time-transformation still stays alive.


                        Aachen, May 1910
                        Otto Blumenthal;
                        As we all know, Einstein based his whole Special Relativity Postulate inspired by the works from Hendrick Lorentz about Magnetism.

                        On a further note (Post) I will show how Minkowski, gathered all the LINEAR TRANSFORMATIONS from Lorentz on Electromagnetism, Electric Fields and EM Induction, etc,etc...and based on a High Level Algebra, Curls Vectors and Lor Operators approach (Calculus III on Spatial Geometries) He was able to demonstrate Graphically and Mathematically that Lorentz Transformations is nothing but a rotation of the coordinate system in the four-dimensional space, also confirmed by Einstein himself below:


                        In 1946 in his Autobiography* Einstein summarized Minkowski's main contribution:

                        Minkowski's important contribution to the theory lies in the following: Before Minkowski's investigation it was necessary to
                        carry out a Lorentz-transformation on a law in order to test its invariance under such transformations; he, on the other hand,
                        succeeded in introducing a formalism such that the mathematical form of the law itself guarantees its invariance under Lorentz-transformations. By creating a four-dimensional tensor-calculus he achieved the same thing for the four-dimensional space which the ordinary vector-calculus achieves for the three spatial dimensions. He also showed that the Lorentz-transformation (apart from a
                        different algebraic sign due to the special character of time) is nothing but a rotation of the coordinate system in the four-dimensional space.

                        *A. Einstein, \Autobiographical notes." In: Albert Einstein: Philosopher-Scientist Paul A. Schilpp, ed., 3rd ed. (Open Court, Illinois 1969) pp. 1-94, p. 59.
                        Above quoted text was taken from P 26 in the free E-Book Space Time Free Book from Petkov

                        Note: I will be editing all this posts as I want to keep them all in one Sequence...

                        THIS IS PART 1

                        Appreciate your patience...


                        Regards


                        Ufopolitics
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                        • Minkowski Spacetime...Part 2

                          MINKOWSKI'S SPACETIME...

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                          I think the proper understanding of Minkowski's spacetime physics (which requires more effort than learning its four-dimensional formalism) is crucial not only for deep understanding of modern physics, but more importantly such understanding is a necessary condition for making discoveries in the twenty first century physics.

                          V. Petkov (Spacetime)
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                          The best proof that the experimental evidence against the existence of absolute motion (reflected in the relativity postulate) implies that the Universe is an absolute four-dimensional world is contained in Minkowski's paper itself. As discussed in Section 2 Minkowski first realized the important hidden message in the experimental fact that physical phenomena are the same in all inertial reference frames (which Einstein merely stated in the relativity postulate without explaining it) -physical phenomena are the same in all inertial reference frames because every inertial observer has his own space and time and therefore describes the phenomena in his reference frame (i.e. in his own space and time) in which he is at rest. For example, the Earth is at rest with respect to its space and therefore all experiments confirm this state of rest. Due to his excellent geometrical imagination Minkowski appears to have immediately realized that many spaces are possible in a four-dimensional world. In this way he managed to decode the physical meaning of the experimental fact that absolute motion cannot be discovered
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                          "the Earth is at rest with respect to its space"...Later on Minkowsky demonstrates mathematically -based on this perfectly well based confirmation- the reason why, Lorentz disregarded the Æther to build his Theory:

                          In particular, Lorentz's theory gives a good account of the non-existence of relative motion of the earth and the luminiferous "Æther"; it shows that this fact is connected with the covariance of the original equation, at certain simultaneous transformations of the space and time co-ordinates; these transformations have obtained from H. Poincaré[4] the name of Lorentz-transformations. The covariance of these fundamental equations, when subjected to the Lorentz-transformation, is a purely mathematical fact; I will call this the Theorem of Relativity; this theorem rests essentially on the form of the differential equations for the propagation of waves with the velocity of light.

                          Now without recognizing any hypothesis about the connection between "Æther" and matter, we can expect these mathematically evident theorems to have their consequences so far extended — that thereby even those laws of ponderable media which are yet unknown may anyhow possess this covariance when subjected to a Lorentz-transformation; by saying this, we do not indeed express an opinion, but rather a conviction, — and this conviction I may be permitted to call the Postulate of Relativity. The position of affairs here is almost the same as when the Principle of Conservation of Energy was postulated in cases, where the corresponding forms of energy were unknown.

                          H. Minkowsky (The Fundamental Equations for Electromagnetic Processes in Moving Bodies (1908) Saha 1920)

                          Now if hereafter, we succeed in maintaining this covariance as a definite connection between pure and simple observable phenomena in moving bodies, the definite connection may be styled the Principle of Relativity.

                          These differentiations seem to me to be useful for enabling us to characterise the present day position of the electro-dynamics for moving bodies.

                          H. A. Lorentz has found out the Relativity theorem and has created the Relativity postulate as a hypothesis that electrons and matter suffer contractions in consequence of their motion according to a certain law.

                          A. Einstein[5] has brought out the point very clearly, that this postulate is not an artificial hypothesis but is rather a new way of comprehending the time-concept which is forced upon us by observation of natural phenomena.

                          The Principle of Relativity has not yet been formulated for electro-dynamics of moving bodies in the sense characterized by me. In the present essay, while formulating this principle, I shall obtain the fundamental equations for moving bodies in a sense which is uniquely determined by this principle. But it will be shown that none of the forms hitherto assumed for these equations can exactly fit in with this principle.

                          We would at first expect that the fundamental equations which are assumed by Lorentz for moving bodies would correspond to the Relativity Principle. But it will be shown that this is not the case for the general equations which Lorentz has for any possible, and also for magnetic bodies; but this is approximately the case (if we neglect the square of the velocity of matter in comparison to the velocity of light) for those equations which Lorentz hereafter infers for non-magnetic bodies. But this latter accordance with the relativity principle is due to the fact that the condition of non-magnetisation has been formulated in a way not corresponding to the relativity principle; therefore the accordance is due to the fortuitous compensation of two contradictions to the relativity postulate. But meanwhile enunciation of the Principle in a rigid manner does not signify any contradiction to the hypotheses of Lorentz's molecular theory, but it shall become clear that the assumption of the contraction of the electron in Lorentz's theory must be introduced at an earlier stage than Lorentz has actually done.

                          In an appendix, I have gone into discussion of the position of Classical Mechanics with respect to the relativity postulate. Any easily perceivable modification of mechanics for satisfying the requirements of the Relativity theory would hardly afford any noticeable difference in observable processes; but would lead to very surprising consequences. By laying down the relativity postulate from the outset, sufficient means have been created for deducing henceforth the complete series of Laws of Mechanics from the principle of conservation of energy (and statements concerning the form of the energy) alone.
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                          Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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                          • The Fundamental Equations for Electromagnetic Processes in Moving Bodies/Part 3

                            The Fundamental Equations for Electromagnetic Processes in Moving Bodies

                            If the field caused by the electron be described in the above-mentioned way, then it will appear that the division of the field into electric and magnetic forces is a relative one, and depends upon the time-axis assumed; the two forces considered together bears some analogy to the force-screw in mechanics; the analogy is, however, imperfect.

                            H. Minkowski (SpaceTime-Saha)
                            A brief account and conclusion for this Chapter after I have reviewed extensively (You could do it yourselves here, which is also linked as #2 in Part 1 post)

                            However, I will try to save you some time...in this Analysis.

                            Minkowski uses all the same exact formulations from Lorentz, which are all written in "Linear Fashion" (Linear Algebra, Singular Vectors of the First Kind) and single particles for one single time, then Minkowski transcend them all, into Complex Vectors of the Second Kind within a 4D World.

                            Minkowsky incorporates Classical Mechanics methods to obtain a Geometrical View of Lorentz Transformations. In order to achieve Geometries he went back to Maxwell Formulations which includes Curl Vectors of the Second Kind, plus all the related Differential Operators (Lor, Del, etc)

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                            With Curl Vectors of the II Kind he incorporates rotations from different points (variable turning axis) from different forces acting within its respective "proper time" enclosed within his Four Dimensional Grid, to furthermore be able to understand from a very clear way...why Lorentz charged particle makes this 90º turn, based on a simple linear displacement through a "Uniform" Magnetic Field...seemingly forces coming from nowhere...

                            Some illustrations about the Curl Vector Geometries (here, of course in 3D Only, not in Minkowsky 4D World Coordinates)

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                            § 5. Space-time Vectors. Of the 1st and 2nd kind.

                            If we take the principal result of the Lorentz transformation together with the fact that the system (A) as well as the system (B) is covariant with respect to a rotation of the coordinate-system round the null point, we obtain the general relativity theorem. In order to make the facts easily comprehensible, it may be more convenient to define a series of expressions, for the purpose of expressing the ideas in a concise form, while on the other hand I shall adhere to the practice of using complex magnitudes, in order to render certain symmetries quite evident.

                            H. Minkowski (Saha)
                            § 6. Concept of Time.

                            By the Lorentz transformation, we are allowed to effect certain changes of the time parameter. In consequence of this fact, it is no longer permissible to speak of the absolute simultaneity of two events. The ordinary idea of simultaneity rather presupposes that six independent parameters, which are evidently required for defining a system of space and time axes, are somehow reduced to three. Since we are accustomed to consider that these limitations represent in a unique way the actual facts very approximately, we maintain that the simultaneity of two events exists of themselves. In fact, the following considerations will prove conclusive...

                            H. Minkowski (Saha)

                            APPENDIX. Mechanics and the Relativity-Postulate.

                            It would be very unsatisfactory if the new way of looking at the time-concept, which permits a Lorentz transformation, were to be confined to a single part of Physics.

                            Now many authors say that classical mechanics stand in opposition to the relativity postulate, which is taken to be the basic of the new Electro-dynamics.

                            H. Minkowski (Saha)
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                            • SPACE AND TIME

                              A Lecture delivered before the Naturforscher Versammlung (Congress of Natural Philosophers) at Cologne — (21st September, 1908).

                              Gentlemen,

                              The conceptions about time and space, which I hope to develop before you to-day, has grown on experimental physical grounds. Herein lies its strength. The tendency is radical. Henceforth, the old conception of space for itself, and time for itself shall reduce to a mere shadow, and some sort of union of the two will be found consistent with facts.


                              Now I want to show you how we can arrive at the changed concepts about time and space from mechanics, as accepted now-a-days, from purely mathematical considerations. The equations of Newtonian mechanics show a twofold invariance, (i) their form remains unaltered when we subject the fundamental space-coordinate system to any possible change of position, (ii) when we change the system in its nature of motion, i. e., when we impress upon it any uniform motion of translation, the null-point of time plays no part. We are accustomed to look upon the axioms of geometry as settled once for all, while we seldom have the same amount of conviction regarding the axioms of mechanics, and therefore the two invariants are seldom mentioned in the same breath. Each one of these denotes a certain group of transformations for the differential equations of mechanics. We look upon the existence of the first group as a fundamental characteristics of space. We always prefer to leave off the second group to itself, and with a light heart conclude that we can never decide from physical considerations whether the space, which is supposed to be at rest, may not finally be in uniform motion. So these two groups lead quite separate existences besides each other. Their totally heterogeneous character may scare us away from the attempt to compound them. Yet it is the whole compounded group which as a whole gives us occasion for thought.
                              In above paragraph, Minkowski demonstrates a simple fact derived from Mechanics typical procedures...which keeps Geometrical Axioms bound together with the the Axioms of Mechanical Equations...

                              It is very obvious that Lorentz Transformations do not offer a full Geometry of Magnetic Fields, since it uses linear, flat and single equations dedicated to fulfill the trajectory of a single "particle" into a very complex and uniform magnetic field.

                              There are more Lorentz Transformations disadvantages mentioned by Minkowski, however, He recognizes the great advantages as simplicity of its whole equations...

                              1-There are some problems if we add accelerations to the electron particle, since it is conceived/supposed to travel at a uniform speed.

                              2-There are some restrictions when it comes to simultaneous events, since it does not have Minkowski flexibility of "Proper Time".

                              3-The Lorentz Electron "reduction of Mass" as it travels at v=c contradicts the Newtonian Postulate of "Conservation of Mass, which goes hand by hand with the Conservation of Energy Postulate.

                              Minkowski Equations became the ones adopted by Einstein in the later years after his sudden death (1909), about a year after He wrote Spacetime Book and Conferences (1907-1908)...

                              4-Lorentz "disregarded the Aether completely" from all his Transformations...

                              Minkowski brought the Aether back, and demonstrated that Aether new transformed equations are "now compatible" to Lorentz now transformed Equations by Minkowski...to the point that in 1946 Einstein recognized the existence of the Aether...some analysts call it "The New Einstein Aether"...I will cite that reference work later on...is free to download.

                              But out of all the above restrictions and errors repaired by Minkowski Equations to H.A.Lorentz Transformations...there is only one I really want to bring out as directly related to the discussion here...

                              And actually, H. Poincaré in 1906 exposed this fact before Minkowski did:

                              Poincaré's paper Sur la dynamique de l'electron, published in 1906 (but received by Rendiconti del Circolo matematico Rendiconti del Circolo di Palermo on July 23, 1905) since he quoted it in his previous lectures given in November and December 1907. In his paper Poincaré first published the important result that the Lorentz transformations had a geometric interpretation as rotations in what he seemed to have regarded as an abstract four-dimensional space with time as the fourth dimension.

                              From Spacetime by V. Petkov
                              Except that Poincaré did not paid that much attention to his discovery mentioned above...therefore never develop it so beautifully as Minkowski did...

                              Now I will cite Einstein (again):

                              [QUOTE]
                              In 1946 in his Autobiography* Einstein summarized Minkowski's main contribution:

                              Minkowski's important contribution to the theory lies in the following: Before Minkowski's investigation it was necessary to
                              carry out a Lorentz-transformation on a law in order to test its invariance under such transformations; he, on the other hand,
                              succeeded in introducing a formalism such that the mathematical form of the law itself guarantees its invariance under Lorentz-transformations. By creating a four-dimensional tensor-calculus he achieved the same thing for the four-dimensional space which the ordinary vector-calculus achieves for the three spatial dimensions. He also showed that the Lorentz-transformation (apart from a
                              different algebraic sign due to the special character of time) is nothing but a rotation of the coordinate system in the four-dimensional space.


                              *A. Einstein, \Autobiographical notes." In: Albert Einstein: Philosopher-Scientist Paul A. Schilpp, ed., 3rd ed. (Open Court, Illinois 1969) pp. 1-94, p. 59.
                              I will repeat above bold statement:

                              He also showed that the Lorentz-transformation (apart from a different algebraic sign due to the special character of time) is nothing but a rotation of the coordinate system in the four-dimensional space.


                              FINAL CONCLUSION from all of this Posts above.

                              It is that simple now Lady's & Gentlemen...Lorentz "Transformations" Reduced, Compacted, short cut so much the whole original Electron/Magnetic Field Interaction Equations, which derived into the way we all look at Electrodynamics, Electromagnetism, Magnetic Fields (of moving ,rest bodies, etc,etc) Hence EM Induction, Generators and then more and more..to the point that we all, no longer notice, realize, see, observe, then never accept, understand... that a Magnetic Field is nothing more than a simple and plain Vortex/Spiral of Forces acting upon any charged particle, traveling at any speed (V) and following any linear or curve path(s), etc, etc and etc...

                              Minkowski recognition is huge towards Einstein's SR, and that is where he gets most of credits...he, simply went "back to Maxwell" Equations (before Lorentz transform them), which originally contained the Spatial Vectors of the II Kind..,Curl, High Level Algebras, Differential Operators...plus all other disregarded by Lorentz Non-Linear Formulas...and "Re-Expanded" them all beautifully...except that now through a more complex, wider Grid...A World Grid of Four Dimensions instead of just Three.

                              However...be honest here now...how many of you knew about Minkowski's existence??

                              It's name definitively not mentioned in any "Official Classic Electromagnetism Text Book" learned in EE or Physics school...coincidentally...something very similar to the Nikola Tesla case.


                              Regards



                              Ufopolitics
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