ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,

Hello Bistander,

It "was" a good and quiet Sunday evening!!...

Just kidding...

Big difference on that wire frame analogy. The wires are visible. The magnetic field is not. So how do the invisible magnetic field layers or levels not in contact with the ferrolens become visible?

Wrong conception...

Magnetic Field is invisible to our eyes, BUT NOT to the Ferrocell.

Ferrocell "sees" the whole 3D Field Volume, and I mean the whole thing...even the further layers...then print its view into a 2D Image.

Ferrocell is sensitive to Magnetic Field, it reacts and realigns according to the magnetic Field positioning based on its Viewing Capturing Angle.

It is like a book where the ferrocell is page one. It has information (words, diagrams, etc) printed on it and that information is visible to the reader. Page two is hidden (assume single sided printing) since the paper is opaque. Now make the pages from transparent film. So the information on page two can be seen through page one, or page one appears overlaid on page two. Now do the same with pages 3, 4, and the rest; print the information of each page on transparent film. So when the reader opens the book cover, he sees all the information, layer on layer, all at once.

This is how I perceive your explanation. Like the book printed on transparent film pages. But the big problem is that with the ferrocell, only page one has visible printing. Pages 2, 3, 4 and the rest use invisible ink. With the ferrocell, the only layer of the invisible magnetic field which imparts any information to the ferrocell is the layer in contact with the ferrocell. All other layers or levels of the magnetic field are invisible and cannot possibly be represented by images on or projected by the ferrocell.

Bistander, if my analogy of "wireframe" was bad...your "Transparent Pages Book" is even worst.

First off...a book is a reading object, always based on 2D Text and Images.

A 3D Wireframe is much closer to a 3D Field.

But I agree that the wireframe is not that good of an explanation to understand how Ferrocell works...so here is another analogy, which I have mentioned before...

PHOTOGRAPHY AND LIGHT SENSITIVE CAPTURING DEVICES

The sensitive film captures a 3D Image of reality through the camera lens and then takes it into a 3D Flat Print.

On a Photograph you can clearly see/define in depth images which are further away from first plane images.

If you set your lens adjustment to "infinite" capturing, then ALL objects will appear "in focus", no matter how far away from the camera they are.

However, if you adjust lens to Focus on first planes only...then all far away objects would appear blurred or "out of focus"...and there would be a point, where the furthest objects would just appear as "blemishes, or spots" which contour lines are not defined, but faded away.

Ferrocell does exactly this second adjustment, where only immediate second planes would be "in focus" while the furthest away would be blurred out and darker, because of the reach of light as well.

And so even a best analogy would be the "Imaging Sensor" from a Digital Camera...



Only thing...is that above sensor is only sensitive to light...and Ferrocell is only sensitive to Magnetic Fields.

The story you and EM give about layers and levels of the 3-D magnetic field bring projected in, or on, or by the 2-D ferrocell is false. It is your imagination or optical illusion.

Regards,

bi

How could you be so sure...that we are wrong and you are right?

What or Who gave you such info?

Your lack to interpret Magnetic Fields True 3D Imaging...simply relies in your very low knowledge about Spatial Geometry plus Imaging Perspective Basics and Fundamentals Interpretation...mixed up with a very low capacity to build in your mind 3D Models, before taking them into prints, 3D CAD's...or paintings.

And just because you have a very low perception about 3D Volumes Interpretation...does not grants you the right to deny others who can clearly do, plus show others how to understand it.

First Career I took when I was a kid...was Architecture...and it does helps a lot for this job.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

I know 3-d

Hello Bistander,

It "was" a good and quiet Sunday evening!!...

Just kidding...



Wrong conception...

Magnetic Field is invisible to our eyes, BUT NOT to the Ferrocell.

Ferrocell "sees" the whole 3D Field Volume, and I mean the whole thing...even the further layers...then print its view into a 2D Image.

Ferrocell is sensitive to Magnetic Field, it reacts and realigns according to the magnetic Field positioning based on its Viewing Capturing Angle.




Bistander, if my analogy of "wireframe" was bad...your "Transparent Pages Book" is even worst.

First off...a book is a reading object, always based on 2D Text and Images.

A 3D Wireframe is much closer to a 3D Field.

But I agree that the wireframe is not that good of an explanation to understand how Ferrocell works...so here is another analogy, which I have mentioned before...

PHOTOGRAPHY AND LIGHT SENSITIVE CAPTURING DEVICES

The sensitive film captures a 3D Image of reality through the camera lens and then takes it into a 3D Flat Print.

On a Photograph you can clearly see/define in depth images which are further away from first plane images.

If you set your lens adjustment to "infinite" capturing, then ALL objects will appear "in focus", no matter how far away from the camera they are.

However, if you adjust lens to Focus on first planes only...then all far away objects would appear blurred or "out of focus"...and there would be a point, where the furthest objects would just appear as "blemishes, or spots" which contour lines are not defined, but faded away.

Ferrocell does exactly this second adjustment, where only immediate second planes would be "in focus" while the furthest away would be blurred out and darker, because of the reach of light as well.

And so even a best analogy would be the "Imaging Sensor" from a Digital Camera...
...

Only thing...is that above sensor is only sensitive to light...and Ferrocell is only sensitive to Magnetic Fields.




How could you be so sure...that we are wrong and you are right?

What or Who gave you such info?

Your lack to interpret Magnetic Fields True 3D Imaging...simply relies in your very low knowledge about Spatial Geometry plus Imaging Perspective Basics and Fundamentals Interpretation...mixed up with a very low capacity to build in your mind 3D Models, before taking them into prints, 3D CAD's...or paintings.

And just because you have a very low perception about 3D Volumes Interpretation...does not grants you the right to deny others who can clearly do, plus show others how to understand it.

First Career I took when I was a kid...was Architecture...and it does helps a lot for this job.


Regards


Ufopolitics

So, Ufo, tell me.

How does a line on a plane contain information about all other lines on the plane?

How does a plane in a volume contain information about other planes in the volume?

No light, no magnetics, just geometry.

Thanks,

bi

[dyetalon]

new magnetism/old magnetism/magnetism

Wow. Its been over 3 years since I posted here.
The cell has a new name and many more people all over the world are experiencing the 3-d imagery of magnetism these little particles provide.
I'm grateful to many of you folks out there who have not only given me credit for this lens, spent time and money trying it out for themselves and last but not least: re-created my work on their own! That is fantastic!!!!!

Too bad it took 13 years.

So, what's all this talk about NEW magnetism?
If you are referring to Ken's writings, remember he has brought concepts and theories made by scientists and discoverers from the PAST. He just 'coordinated' their work the best he could.
That makes it OLD magnetism.
So, it's just magnetism. There are more theories going around than STD's!

I'd like to see any other forum members complete such a comprehensive and well illustrated piece of work on their own. Geeze, give the guy a break. It took a lot of effort and research to pull that one off.

Discussions do turn into heated arguments. That's one of the reasons I got away from forums (that and being banned from a few).

And what you see in the Ferrocell is still up for debate.
13 years later, many scientists around the world are doing independent experiments in their labs using my cells.
I have my own theories, and that's what you read on my website. So far, no one from the scientific community has challenged my hypothesis'.
No one but Markoul
Because of his disagreement, I've decided to take another shot at identifying the 'ring of light' we see thru the cell.

Its good to be back here. I have no idea how long it will take me to back-track this topic, but I've reached a stopping point for a couple of days @ Ferocell and in my life (so far).

[Markoul]

Master Timm it's good to have you back here!!

Welcome

[Ufopolitics]

So, Ufo, tell me.

How does a line on a plane contain information about all other lines on the plane?

How does a plane in a volume contain information about other planes in the volume?

No light, no magnetics, just geometry.

Thanks,

bi

Bistander,

In order to properly answer your two questions above, which, relates -I assume- to Ferrocell, which is the topic under discussion now....

How does a line on a plane contain information about all other lines on the plane?

In Geometry, "a line" does not "contains info" about 'other lines' in that same plane..it is a non sense question.

Closest answer to your question is an INTERSECTION between Two Lines within a plane...However, that is NOT "information" about either lines.

A Line STICKS OUT from the rest of lines by its COLOR, SHADES and SIZE.

Now, in OPTICS, there are REFLECTIONS, REFRACTIONS and BACKGROUND SHADOWS which DEFINE LINES on a PLANE.

In OPTICS, a LINE is made from a STRAIGHT ALIGNMENT OF POINTS...

In Geometry, a LINE could be made from just TWO POINTS in a PLANE.

How does a plane in a volume contain information about other planes in the volume?

First off, a PLANE does NOT necessarily need to be a FLAT, 2D PLANE...A PLANE COULD BE, EXIST ALSO IN 3 DIMENSIONS.

Same as previous question...no "information" is "stored" from either one.

Only when we go into OPTICS PLUS GEOMETRY then REFLECTIONS render "information" about an object's positioning FROM 3D TO 2D Space.

An Imaging Sensor from a Digital Cam, makes a 2D REFLECTION from the 3D WINDOW, OPENED through the LENS and SHUTTER MEANS.

Ferrocell CAPTURES exactly the same way, a 2D REFLECTION from a 3D Magnetic Field, except no shutter is required...only to illuminate Field so Ferrocell can define -FOR OUR VIEWING- dark from light to render an image.

In Photography, if we have a completely dark room, no lights, no "Flash"...and we take a pic...absolutely NADA will come up on image...but BLACK OUT.

Ferrocell needs light on the Field in order that WE CAN SEE FIELD...However, Ferrocell can "see" field without any light on Field.

This is all that simple to understand...


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Wow. Its been over 3 years since I posted here.
The cell has a new name and many more people all over the world are experiencing the 3-d imagery of magnetism these little particles provide.
I'm grateful to many of you folks out there who have not only given me credit for this lens, spent time and money trying it out for themselves and last but not least: re-created my work on their own! That is fantastic!!!!!

Too bad it took 13 years.

So, what's all this talk about NEW magnetism?
If you are referring to Ken's writings, remember he has brought concepts and theories made by scientists and discoverers from the PAST. He just 'coordinated' their work the best he could.
That makes it OLD magnetism.
So, it's just magnetism. There are more theories going around than STD's!

I'd like to see any other forum members complete such a comprehensive and well illustrated piece of work on their own. Geeze, give the guy a break. It took a lot of effort and research to pull that one off.

Discussions do turn into heated arguments. That's one of the reasons I got away from forums (that and being banned from a few).

And what you see in the Ferrocell is still up for debate.
13 years later, many scientists around the world are doing independent experiments in their labs using my cells.
I have my own theories, and that's what you read on my website. So far, no one from the scientific community has challenged my hypothesis'.
No one but Markoul
Because of his disagreement, I've decided to take another shot at identifying the 'ring of light' we see thru the cell.

Its good to be back here. I have no idea how long it will take me to back-track this topic, but I've reached a stopping point for a couple of days @ Ferocell and in my life (so far).

Always a pleasure and great to see you around again Timm!!

Please enjoy your stay here for as long as you like!


Kind regards


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Plane

Bistander,

In order to properly answer your two questions above, which, relates -I assume- to Ferrocell, which is the topic under discussion now....



In Geometry, "a line" does not "contains info" about 'other lines' in that same plane..it is a non sense question.

Closest answer to your question is an INTERSECTION between Two Lines within a plane...However, that is NOT "information" about either lines.

A Line STICKS OUT from the rest of lines by its COLOR, SHADES and SIZE.

Now, in OPTICS, there are REFLECTIONS, REFRACTIONS and BACKGROUND SHADOWS which DEFINE LINES on a PLANE.

In OPTICS, a LINE is made from a STRAIGHT ALIGNMENT OF POINTS...

In Geometry, a LINE could be made from just TWO POINTS in a PLANE.



First off, a PLANE does NOT necessarily need to be a FLAT, 2D PLANE...A PLANE COULD BE, EXIST ALSO IN 3 DIMENSIONS.

Same as previous question...no "information" is "stored" from either one.

Only when we go into OPTICS PLUS GEOMETRY then REFLECTIONS render "information" about an object's positioning FROM 3D TO 2D Space.

An Imaging Sensor from a Digital Cam, makes a 2D REFLECTION from the 3D WINDOW, OPENED through the LENS and SHUTTER MEANS.

Ferrocell CAPTURES exactly the same way, a 2D REFLECTION from a 3D Magnetic Field.

This is all that simple to understand...


Ufopolitics

In mathematics, a plane is a flat, two-dimensional surface that extends infinitely far. A plane is the two-dimensional analogue of a point (zero dimensions), a line (one dimension) and three-dimensional space.

From: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_(geometry)

Notice the word "flat" in the definition?

Ever notice the picture from the camera is flat, a plane. And the image we were discussing where the curves cross is flat as in two dimensional, or a plane.

What you call "curved planes" are normally referred to as surfaces.

In mathematics, a surface is, generally speaking, an object similar to a plane but that need not be flat.

Ref: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface

You agree that a line cannot contain information about other lines in the same plane.

Take that 2-D concept into 3-D. A plane cannot relate information about other planes in the surrounding space. In other words, the image from a ferrocell is a 2-D plane and cannot relate any information about the field except for the plane of the field which is in the fluid between the glass.



The image above is a 2-D plane. It is a reproduction of a flat 2-D object, the ferrocell, at an instant in time when the photo was taken. At that instant, how could the ferrocell possibly know what the field was one inch above or 1.3 inches below the plane of its fluid? It is not possible. The ferrocell has no sensors or other means to gather information which is not in direct contact with it.

Regards,

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Center of Magnet, shown by Ferrofluid.

Hello to All,

Below is a picture taken from Ken Wheeler's Book:



And here his explanation:

Typical ferrofluid resting against the dielectric inertial plane of a very large 6” by 2” neodymium “magnet”. This
position causes divergence of the nano-iron particles away from the dielectric dominant inertial plane which is only attractive
to itself in dominance.

Now, from Ken's Video:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72pjGA-1EuI[/VIDEO]

Now, an Image from that video about same view, center of magnet revealed by Ferrofluid...but Full, complete...



Poles above are Up and Down of screen...You all could watch video to see full movement on top of magnet, plus comparison with View Film.

Both Images show exactly same "indentation" of Ferrofluid, around center of magnet...

What Ken calls the Hyperboloid Geometrical Shape.


Regards



Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Take that 2-D concept into 3-D. A plane cannot relate information about other planes in the surrounding space. In other words, the image from a ferrocell is a 2-D plane and cannot relate any information about the field except for the plane of the field which is in the fluid between the glass.



The image above is a 2-D plane. It is a reproduction of a flat 2-D object, the ferrocell, at an instant in time when the photo was taken. At that instant, how could the ferrocell possibly know what the field was one inch above or 1.3 inches below the plane of its fluid? It is not possible. The ferrocell has no sensors or other means to gather information which is not in direct contact with it.

Regards,

bi

You are completely closing up your understanding, Bistander.

Ferrocell does contains trillions of nano particles which ARE HIGHLY SENSITIVE to Magnetic Field PRESENCE...SO, YES, We could say a Ferrocell is a FULL SENSOR of Magnetic Fields.

Same way an Image Sensor (from a digicam) have thousands of LIGHT SENSORS on a PIXEL SCALE.

Ferrocell captures close and far field lines and plants it on its 2D Image we see.

Imagine a FERROFLUID MIRROR(As a matter of fact I want to build one!!!, simple...one glass would be a mirror...and the other clear, transparent)...it could REFLECT ONLY THE FIELD IMAGE for Us to see it...plus of course...also the magnet.

However we look at magnet and we do not see "the Field" reflected on mirror...why? because we can not see Fields with our eyes...

That Field MIRRORED IMAGE seems to be a 2D Image...but we know it is a 3D Image.

Now, again, your question...does Ferrocell Mirror has "sensors"?...what do you think?


Regards and goodnight!


Ufopolitics

[mikrovolt]

Hello Timm,
The typical explanation of 3D. If half of the view is horizontally polarized
and the other half is vertically polarized the eyes and brain put the two
images together to form a 3D stereo-graph image.

https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/videos/6-how-we-see-3d

making a 3d hologram viewer is inexpensive and quick.
because FerroCell already has the translucent properties proprietary.
Possibly something might click and it would explain why the cages are so easily rattled over this ferro being so perceptional to magnet fields.

https://youtu.be/7YWTtCsvgvg

[Iamnuts]

IMG_20180514_093712.jpg
Here ive ground a flat on a twisted cable, view of a 3d object in 2d.
Just show me that somewhere and I'll be convinced. Ml

[Iamnuts]

IMG_20180514_100438.jpg

I can't wait for this to be sorted and then we could discuss the
"Lamb shift"
I admired Stephen Hawking, despite all his difficulties he had a
wicked sense of humour.

[dyetalon]

Hello Timm,
The typical explanation of 3D. If half of the view is horizontally polarized
and the other half is vertically polarized the eyes and brain put the two
images together to form a 3D stereo-graph image.

https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/videos/6-how-we-see-3d

making a 3d hologram viewer is inexpensive and quick.
because FerroCell already has the translucent properties proprietary.
Possibly something might click and it would explain why the cages are so easily rattled over this ferro being so perceptional to magnet fields.

https://youtu.be/7YWTtCsvgvg

You're somewhat correct. We are seeing a holographic image composed of direct and refracted rays. Our brains are making images based on the weird information our eyes are receiving.

The cell is more perceptional than iron filings in one respect: You can see the interaction of one or more magnets clearly and with a greater detail.
And, they're responding to the field in a different way. The iron filings become little magnets when exposed to a field, but the particles are smaller than a domain (superparamagnetic) and do not align in the same manner. (parallel vs perpendicular). And something no one ever talks about is the Fe3O4 (magnetite) used in Hobby-Experimenter grade Ferrofluid (EFH1) is FERRIMAGNETIC not FERROMAGNETIC. Look it up.

[dyetalon]

You are completely closing up your understanding, Bistander.

Ferrocell does contains trillions of nano particles which ARE HIGHLY SENSITIVE to Magnetic Field PRESENCE...SO, YES, We could say a Ferrocell is a FULL SENSOR of Magnetic Fields.

Same way an Image Sensor (from a digicam) have thousands of LIGHT SENSORS on a PIXEL SCALE.

Ferrocell captures close and far field lines and plants it on its 2D Image we see.

Imagine a FERROFLUID MIRROR(As a matter of fact I want to build one!!!, simple...one glass would be a mirror...and the other clear, transparent)...it could REFLECT ONLY THE FIELD IMAGE for Us to see it...plus of course...also the magnet.

However we look at magnet and we do not see "the Field" reflected on mirror...why? because we can not see Fields with our eyes...

That Field MIRRORED IMAGE seems to be a 2D Image...but we know it is a 3D Image.

Now, again, your question...does Ferrocell Mirror has "sensors"?...what do you think?


Regards and goodnight!


Ufopolitics

FYI:
Michael Snyder did the Ferro-mirror a few years ago. One of his images has been published in a couple of different places.
Try this with iron filings. Hah.
Note: this is a single red LED shining down into the cell at a 45 degree angle and bouncing off the mirror and fluid with a magnetic pole under the mirror.


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[bistander]

Beautiful

FYI:
Michael Snyder did the Ferro-mirror a few years ago. One of his images has been published in a couple of different places.
Try this with iron filings. Hah.
Note: this is a single red LED shining down into the cell at a 45 degree angle and bouncing off the mirror and fluid with a magnetic pole under the mirror.

Hi dyetalon,

That is a nice image but what does it represent; certainly not the magnetic field?

From: https://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=light-viewer

What are the lines of light in this DIY Ferrocell?

If they’re not lines of flux, what are they showing? The answer seems to be a bit more complicated. As if understanding magnetism wasn’t complex enough, this device adds some crazy optical effects through a fluid. There’s something going on with polarization of the light and how it gets scattered by the nano-sized particles in ferrofluid. We didn’t quite understand 100% of what we read about it, but it seems that some of the effects aren’t yet completely understood. Studies are ongoing.

Each visible line appears as a path of light that comes from each point light source and travels along the path of least potential. We’re not sure what that all means, but it sure does look interesting!

In the adjacent pictures, the upper photo shows the device in action. The lower picture is an analytical depiction of the field strength and direction. It's clear that the lines are not showing the same things in the same way.

I'm not saying ferrocells aren't interesting or useful. I'm just trying to understand what information is or can be obtained from the image. It is not the magnetic field as it is defined in science, academia, or industry. The closest explanation that I've seen is traces representing magnetic vector potentials plus some other yet unexplained phenomena.

Regards,

bi