Radiant spike puts out more than current

[erfinder]

Hi theMinoly,

great video. Loved it. Can I ask how the capacitor is configured in regards to the secondary coil? Im assuming its a diode off the collector and not a bridge rectifier. Is the cap in parallel with the coil?

Erfinder, its good to see you here again

Regards


Ren

It's been too long! Hope all is well with you and yours.


Regards

[THEminoly]

I went to Minoly's earlier video that explains some of the basics behind the video at the beginning of this thread. "The Spike":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKUbVAMFZqw

I find both of these videos to be important pieces of work.
Minoly starts off the above video "The Spike" by saying:


and at the end,



He shows that the spike produced from discharging a charged cap thru a diode into an inductor has greater amplitude peak to peak than when discharged thru a FWBR. There's some serious energy to be harvested here, but we have to look at new ways of setting up our coils to capture it (in my opinion).

Bob

I’m still having problems getting to energetic forum as well as energyscienceforum. Internet is working everywhere else…


Hi Bob,

At the end of that video I pose the question… paraphrasing: Can we harvest more of the spike with the FWBR? So when I employed the FWBR or even just add two diodes instead of one, the scope showed a bigger spike….

The reason we see the spike on the scope is because it has nowhere to go. Example: in the SSG if we leave the charge battery off we see a huge spike, when we put the charge battery back on the spike is smaller. This is the battery soaking up the spike. This is a big indicator here of how we can choose a good charge battery, one that will soak up the spike. The same goes for a capacitor. Now the trick is and the hole that many of us fall into including myself, is for the same reasons we can also kill the spike without taking advantage of it at all. Example - Put the spike to a cap and a (bulb/resistor) in parallel, and that is one fantastic way to kill the spike all together. The bulb will light up because of the “back current” not because of the spike

So the hunt to harvest and utilize goes on :-)

[THEminoly]

Hi theMinoly,

great video. Loved it. Can I ask how the capacitor is configured in regards to the secondary coil? Im assuming its a diode off the collector and not a bridge rectifier. Is the cap in parallel with the coil?

Erfinder, its good to see you here again

Regards


Ren

Hi Ren,

it is exactly as you describe.

Diode off the collector goes to a cap and 2nd coil in parallel.
the neg of the cap/coil goes to the + side of the battery.
I hook it up to the + side of the primary to prove there is no other current coming from the primary............ now...... if you would like to add some current..... connect it to the neg of the primary and you will get both, thereby creating another BIG spike. This will allow us to place a lower resistance coil as the 2nd and will allow us to charge a 2nd battery or send to yet a 3rd coil.... it gets complicated to balance it all out

gotta run....

[Bob Smith]

I’m still having problems getting to energetic forum as well as energyscienceforum. Internet is working everywhere else…


Hi Bob,

At the end of that video I pose the question… paraphrasing: Can we harvest more of the spike with the FWBR? So when I employed the FWBR or even just add two diodes instead of one, the scope showed a bigger spike….

The reason we see the spike on the scope is because it has nowhere to go. Example: in the SSG if we leave the charge battery off we see a huge spike, when we put the charge battery back on the spike is smaller. This is the battery soaking up the spike. This is a big indicator here of how we can choose a good charge battery, one that will soak up the spike. The same goes for a capacitor. Now the trick is and the hole that many of us fall into including myself, is for the same reasons we can also kill the spike without taking advantage of it at all. Example - Put the spike to a cap and a (bulb/resistor) in parallel, and that is one fantastic way to kill the spike all together. The bulb will light up because of the “back current” not because of the spike

So the hunt to harvest and utilize goes on :-)

So if it's a question of not killing the spike, my mind immediately goes to "what kind of secondary will not affect the primary?" The best fit that I can think of is the series wound bifilar secondary, which as I understand it, does not induce secondary reflection back to the primary. Does this seem like a plausible approach to you?
Bob

Edit: So what I'm talking about then is not so much a secondary, as a pickup coil.

[erfinder]

So if it's a question of not killing the spike, my mind immediately goes to "what kind of secondary will not affect the primary?" The best fit that I can think of is the series wound bifilar secondary, which as I understand it, does not induce secondary reflection back to the primary. Does this seem like a plausible approach to you?
Bob

I don't know where the idea of "killing the spike" comes from, but you cannot. Opposition to change is the mechanism for generating the spike, opposition to change is the inherent characteristic of the coils inductive and capacitive aspects. Therefore killing the inductance or capacitance is the only way to kill the spike.

You do not want a bifilar coil, but you do want the field augmenting aspect that the bifilar configuration brings. So the question would be how to establish those relations, without winding a bifilar coil.

Contrary to popular belief, you want reflection! Impedance becomes the means by and through which reflection becomes practical.

Nature doesn't work like we want it to work, it works how it works, we must observe its ways, comprehend them, and then engineer our systems so as to accommodate Nature.


Regards

[Bob Smith]

I don't know where the idea of "killing the spike" comes from, but you cannot. Opposition to change is the mechanism for generating the spike, opposition to change is the inherent characteristic of the coils inductive and capacitive aspects. Therefore killing the inductance or capacitance is the only way to kill the spike.

You do not want a bifilar coil, but you do want the field augmenting aspect that the bifilar configuration brings. So the question would be how to establish those relations, without winding a bifilar coil.

Contrary to popular belief, you want reflection! Impedance becomes the means by and through which reflection becomes practical.

Nature doesn't work like we want it to work, it works how it works, we must observe its ways, comprehend them, and then engineer our systems so as to accommodate Nature.


Regards

Got it. I slipped into conventional thinking, ignoring what I've seen on my own bench. Thank you for waking me up. Now I'm going to go by what I've seen...

I have found that the right amount of impedance in a simple transistor-inductor circuit creates a very productive stress between a lead acid battery and the aether/dielectric. This raised impedance, at the proper point in the circuit, stresses the dielectric and causes it to respond.

I really have to take some time to shift my horizons a little in order to reconsider Minoly's circuit in this light.

As you say, Steve, we want reflection. Perhaps what needs more consideration here is how and where to raise impedance in order to place a productive stress on the dielectric, and then to capture what it offers.

Again, thanks for the wake up call. I hope I haven't led things off track.
Bob

[OrionLightShip]

@Minoly

Nice work and setup!
So in conventional energy transfer, it's all about impedance matching.
In this case, infinite impedance would be the ideal condition for spike creation and reflection or at least using a capacitor with a low ESR discharging fast enough that the primary coil never reaches the point at which any appreciable current passes through before the kickback. I guess you could call that high impedance in some sense of the word?

I can't help but wonder if the spike hitting the cap is creating a longitudinal displacement wave that is responsible for the power transfer. That said, I would ask that if possible, you might try a "natural" capacitor. Perhaps a simple two plate diy cap, or leyden jar, or even a salt water bottle cap setup? I have to wonder if modern caps don't eat a large portion of what you are searching for?

Just a thought.....and I have to say I know nothing about this.....just something that I would want to try if I had the time.



OrthoParameter lost his email address and password and gained a ninety year old Mother in his house due to neglect in assisted living facility. Too busy to do anything anymore. good luck

[Allen Burgess]

Axilliary flyback coil and LC resonance.

@Minoly,

You maintain that your auxilliary flyback coil is correctly matched to a capacitor value that produces LC resonance. You go on to infer that the resonance is generating a magnetic field in the coil that is doing meaningful work. My personal research and experimentation confirm your theory: First with the "Tesla Coil Builder" bifilar electro-magnet strength test, and again; Measuring a simple rise in Ohmic resistance from ringing a "Series connected solenoid bifilar coil" on a high-perm ferrite rod.

The creation of a magnetic coil field from LC resonance is an "Overunity Effect", the importance of which can't be stressed strongly enough! Very nice test video.

[Allen Burgess]

Resonant LC freqency and primary pulse in hertz.

Resonance occurs when an LC circuit is driven from an external source at a frequency \omega_0 at which the inductive and capacitive reactances are equal in magnitude. The frequency at which this equality holds for the particular circuit is called the resonant frequency. The resonant frequency of the LC circuit is:

\omega_0 = {1 \over \sqrt{LC}}

where L is the inductance in henries, and C is the capacitance in farads. The angular frequency \omega_0\, has units of radians per second.

The equivalent frequency in units of hertz is:

f_0 = { \omega_0 \over 2 \pi } = {1 \over {2 \pi \sqrt{LC}}}.

It's very simple to tailor the frequency of the flyback spike,, controlled by the primary pulse, to the LC resonance of the auxilliary tank. You can see Minoly tune it in with his potentiometer, without the algebra.

[THEminoly]

Thanks Allen and Orion.
Erfinder that was a nice post you put up at OU – I hope you do not mind if I quote you here. It’s a bit out of context here, however, I will also provide the link to your vid that might help others:
https://vimeo.com/148736377

“What you are doing is one of many directions. If you take this to where I have been, you will see that its in harmony with what you have been trying to do.”…

Erfinder, by this might you be suggesting something similar in nature to John Bedini is doing with his Ferris Wheel – if so, now I might have some direction as to what you are talking about…

“ The way I do what you have been demonstrating is a more direct, and all encompassing method. When you get the magnetics in both the inducer and the inducing in the proper relation, you can take advantage of inductive kickback via transformer action. Doing such you can do the same thing you are suggesting, without sacrificing and or rerouting the potential generated at the switch. This translates into...work on the rotor, plus an electrical out, plus the electrical that you recover at the switch.....some would and have called this more out than in....I don't share this view, I humbly say its a step in the right direction.


Always keep in mind that we are not collecting the collapsing magnetic field, we are collecting a potential which is induced by the collapsing magnetic field. Since we are not collecting the field itself, we can position ourselves to take advantage of its inducing power. Proper phase relations must be established, or we cause the system to fight itself in accordance with the well established laws.


In the end, you will learn much from this if you choose to. I found that if you are trying to prove something to someone other than yourself, you end up making too many references to what we already know, this leads to the premature introduction of measurement equipment. I hope you leave the scope out of this one, and just feel your way through this one....its well worth it.


My time with the wave forms you are now beginning to explore have revealed a far superior way of doing things. One of these days I will get around to shooting a video of it in action. Don't hold your breath though....I take my time with these things. That being said....in light of my new direction, I don't recommend you get too comfortable.”

[Allen Burgess]

Axilliary flyback coil and LC magnetic field resonance.

The important thing to understand in Minoly's flyback test video, is that the magnetic field strength of the secondary coil does not come from the small amount of power in the flyback spike. The magnetic field strength comes from the LC tank resonance. This is a "Free Lunch"! The magnetic field is created at perhaps tens of thousands of times per second. The exact resonating frequency is very simple to calculate from the proportion of the capacitance in Farads and the coil inductance in Henries. All the flyback spike does is to drive the oscillation at a harmonic interval, and discharge the capacitor into the coil for the power pulse. The oscillation is what powers the coil's magnetic field, not the energy in the flyback spike. This is an important "Overunity Effect"!

The really exciting aspect of Minoly's test demonstration is that it appears as if it may be feasible to "Daisy Chain" any number of LC resonant flyback pulse coils in series.

I believe we're on the verge of a major breakthrough!

[Allen Burgess]

Oscillation frequency and LC resonance.

The Hertz factor is the oscillation frequency of the primary coil, triggered by the pendulum magnet and controlled by the base resistance potentiometer. The primary backspike must be an A.C. signal that matches the LC tank self resonant frequency for it to power the auxilliary (capacitor-coil) oscillation. The power in the flyback must build the capacitor charge to it's maximum discharge level where it then fires into the inductor. The polarity of the discharge must be controlled by the position of the capacitor electrodes. Therefore a second LC auxilliary (capacitor-coil) should drop the combined pulse frequency by half. Perhaps no overunity here after all!

[erfinder]

The Hertz factor is the oscillation frequency of the primary coil, triggered by the pendulum magnet and controlled by the base resistance potentiometer. The primary backspike must be an A.C. signal that matches the LC tank self resonant frequency for it to power the auxilliary (capacitor-coil) oscillation. The power in the flyback must build the capacitor charge to it's maximum discharge level where it then fires into the inductor. The polarity of the discharge must be controlled by the position of the capacitor electrodes. Therefore a second LC auxilliary (capacitor-coil) should drop the combined pulse frequency by half. Perhaps no overunity here after all!

A tank is a very special circuit in my opinion. In all the years that I have spent in these circles, I have never seen these questions asked. I hope you don't mind my asking you.

What do you think is being exchanged between L and C at resonance? Is it power? Energy? Both? Or Neither?

Via what mechanism is this exchange made possible?


Regards

[THEminoly]

In previous videos, you were able to produce the effect and for brief moments the rotor sped up when you removed the hall/trigger (shut power off) at the same time the voltage on your primary source buffer cap increased. Have you been able to prolong the ring? What “distilling” process are you aiming for?

A tank is a very special circuit in my opinion. In all the years that I have spent in these circles, I have never seen these questions asked. I hope you don't mind my asking you.

What do you think is being exchanged between L and C at resonance? Is it power? Energy? Both? Or Neither?

Via what mechanism is this exchange made possible?


Regards

[erfinder]

In previous videos, you were able to produce the effect and for brief moments the rotor sped up when you removed the hall/trigger (shut power off) at the same time the voltage on your primary source buffer cap increased. Have you been able to prolong the ring? What “distilling” process are you aiming for?

Are you asking me or were you prompted to ask me by someone?

I have no desire to discuss my machines in any detail on these platforms. I have been there, got booed and banned when I refused to share potential profits from selling kits.

I have no desire for my work to be copied by the one who still holds my posts and one of my generation 1 machines hostage on the other forum. I refuse to allow him to profit from my effort.


Regards