The Path to a real Free Energy Device.

[Turion]

Each one of us has a circle of friends. Whether they can all be trusted is really not an issue, because what we need are folks to expand the circle of knowledge. If I can build one small working device, I can build ten or twenty. There are probably at least that many people I could share it with before somebody decided to stab me in the back and try to go around me and patent it. But if in that time, each of them had shared the secret with 10 of their friends, the circles upon circles would continue to grow and expand. Once you have that many working devices out in circulation, it would become difficult to stop. THEN you post it everywhere with the plans and schematics. Yes, the plans might be wiped off the web, but the secret would be out, and the fact that they were taken down would just add fuel to the fire.
Is a world worth one life? I have to believe it is.

[Dog-One]

Simplex

It is far better to die for something than live for nothing.

[Stealth]

It may not be necessary to die for a free energy machine, not if that machine were patented or released as a toy for the masses. It would teach those knowledgable enough to realize its potential in a upscaled model. For those with the understanding and ability to build a larger, more powerful model, they could then, by word of mouth or by show and tell, bring it to more people. And believe me, when people realized what was to be had, then everyone would want one. It would start a worldwide craze to be the first in your neighborhood to have one. Some toys nearly meeting these parameters already exists. There are magnetic toys which can run for hours on very little energy spent. Also gravity toys that are almost capable of self running. I think this is why John Bedini or his group are not bothered much. He doesn't claim free energy and almost all his machines are toy sized and as such is not a treat to the establishment. In this type of pursuit there are going to be sacrifices made at some point, either keep it toy sized and low key or pay a bigger sacrifice for society. I say keep it toy sized and proceed. Good Luck. stealth

[DavidE]

Turion

Is a world worth one life? I have to believe it is.

I am with you.

[Turion]

Reality check

In my opinion, there have probably been a few lives lost to this cause already, and more simply ruined. So it is really one MORE life. The key is to make sure it is expended FOR something. Don't get bumped off BEFORE you have a chance to share. That would be a waste.

Dave

[Matthew Jones]

But What Now?

So all this great... You have community, sacrifice, and participation. Now who is ready to buckle down and take a uniform civil approach to overcoming the problems? Who has money for starters, then equipment, and last enough education on the subject to not fool yourself? And the crowd goes silent, only to find themselves walking out of the room, quickly!!

The inevitable problem is never "The Man". You can empower your life style to overcome or evade anything he does, except outright murder. But how do you get over the fact that no one is willing to sacrifice with you to help peer review the work. How do you keep things on track when life presents itself to the peers you have chosen. How do you make people who are remote to you understand the importance of sticking with a given project and dedicating themselves to the project at hand.

This is the real problem, You Can't!! Because if you could and you could do it reliably there would be more things flowing out of these communities than you could track of.

Groups can raise money. Groups can verify work. Groups can solve problems and bring answers to questions. Groups can protect from outsiders. Groups can support weak links. And most of all Groups can get a lot of work done in a little time. We used to have groups on this forum. There is still some at overunity.com.

But for the most part people just want to talk like experts, contemplate theory and old stories. Raise the so called experts to level they do not belong. Make a good video say pretty words and your now a scholar among men. Ooooh that hurts to hear that, I can hear the negative comments on the way. My ears burn and I still haven't hit submit.

But here me out. How many of ya when you built that first monopole did what you were told. Even if the first one didn't work who read enough to read through what Bedini and Bearden said "NOT to DO". Johns got a lot of "Not to do's". And you being the good and loyal student who someday would excel past John and his current work didn't even question, you just built it and tested it.
Well when I read "Energy from the Vacuum" I heard we were being lied to. If the system was lying why in the hell would I believe these two guys or anyone else for that matter. So I put "Not to DO" on my to do list. Ask yourself "Did I??"

Doing that I got a lot of answers. I found a lot of things, and built a lot of machines. Built one today, start testing tomorrow. When completed will be a viable marketable product. In about 2 years. Cause I am not asking for help. None of you (Excluding David) could give that I am positive.

But maybe you guys start thinking and start working towards a group effort. Make rules for your thread so others can follow and not detract from the work. Actually buckle down, skip a meal and build and TEST something. I would be happy to contribute anything I know to group like that, nothing but positive good basic info. Like info on parts or technique. And I know others who would too. But not theory, people who spew theory are BS. They don't know squat so be careful with them. Set an objective and build.

So what Now?

Still dreaming about hope....
Matt

[BroMikey]

In my opinion, there have probably been a few lives lost to this cause already, and more simply ruined. So it is really one MORE life. The key is to make sure it is expended FOR something. Don't get bumped off BEFORE you have a chance to share. That would be a waste.

Dave

Hello everyone

To market a device you will need people who are together first, showing
a long time track record of consist behavior in a peaceable format. Dave
you mentioned you were over 60 years now, am I correct? Sure I am,
just how long do you think any of your endeavors can last if you follow
the path of making money without mates in the business who can
talk to people? How long?

And don't kid yourself, if they come forward they have it in the back
of their minds that they would like to someday make any kind of a
profit for their work.


And we won't get the money if we don't talk kindly. And we won't get
good participation if we can't speak kindly. In fact the first thing business
people are taught at college level is communication skills and you have
all of those qualities, so this is a plus for you.

On another note: Dying for an invention or getting bought off has been
repeated whenever needed to keep the people from succeeding past our
controllers. This brings me to what I have heard said about using
inventions in a more discrete fashion.

In other words if we have an invention and tried to popularize it like a
Frisbee then we would surely be met with great opposition, on the
other hand the company might sell sealed packaged units that worked
with existing devices being used in our homes today.

This is the foot in the door, so to speak. I have heard many say they
have circuits that give X amount out and are looped, but why won't
they come forward?

Who can they trust? You? Me? Who? They are afraid so they use their
invention among their family and friends and that is it.

If you are planning to patent and market free energy devices you
are going to have to deal with their fears. Fears of breach of contract,
fears of having their invention stolen, fears that if the team is actually
targeted someday by gov/ agencies will the team be able to protect
them.

Whenever you deal with money and the public, you are involved with
winning confidence. "Confidence" has a meaning that people can confide
in you sharing their life with you. This is a delicate process winning
confidence.

It is like a finance company letting a teenager buy a lamp and table
combination on credit, the teen paying $200 for the set and "IF" they
pay it back in a timely manner then their track record allows them
to take more from the bank next time.

The process requires that you slowly build confidence. It doesn't come
over night. People have to look at one leader of the organization for
gaining their confidence and he must do what he says he is going to
do. Then, whoever he puts out front to represent himself must also be
able to win the people confidence. The front man wins the people by
telling them everything that the Leader has laid out as their winning
venture so this takes more than one person saying all the same things.


And then you are on your way. Well first base but you are not home yet
as you must find a way to market a device that could cause the loss
of human life and not all people are willing to do that. Now you just lost
confidence with that class of people.

You may change your mind but there will always be some slight doubt
that the person who steps forward will be required to do so even at the
expense of their lives.

This is a poor way to win confidence.

You are asking them to come forward with their lives.

What the inventor wants is a marketing leader who is smart enough to
keep everyone in one piece after the bills are paid, I mean that leader
would be paid well if he could do that. And let's all face it, money is
the answer to making parts to provide to the consumer. It takes lots
of money.

So dealing with everyone's fears and being able to speak to them on
the basis of equality might get the ball rounding as long as the invention
could be used in a subtle way.

This bit where the inventor came up with a system to replace all natural
gas wells, all oil wells............is not an option. We need discretion.

I know it can be done. Someone has to take control, that person must
be schooled for that position of winning confidence. What strategy you
project out into the public eye will determine your response.

Winning confidence takes time.

[Bob Smith]

Well spoken, Matt. Groups of like-minded researchers getting things done - mutual trust, learning, collaboration, growth and development.

On a side note related to the overall thread theme... One thing that seems to kill a project is an early announcement broadcasting the release of a new, revolutionary technology. Probably better to work as a group and release it with an announcement when it's ready to be released. Notwithstanding what DavidE said, that AI tracks everything online, if we can steer away from grandiose claims and just release things for the right reasons at the right time on as many platforms as possible (forums, FB, Twitter, websites, YT etc), maybe that's the gist of what's required for its successful spread.

A few more thoughts...
I remember one time UFO released some motor winding specs in one of his threads, and publicly stated that this disclosure established itself as prior art, preventing the work to be patented by anyone else. I suppose that someone could come along with a minor mod and patent that, but the altruism behind release into the public domain of a technology has its own rewards to the individual (in terms of inner satisfaction and integrity), and rewards for the wider community who might take and use/develop/apply and derive benefit for their lives from it - especially the poor and struggling.

I suppose there's also the Creative Commons License - I think Turion mentioned this as well.

My 2cents.
Bob

[Dog-One]

Well spoken, Matt. Groups of like-minded researchers getting things done - mutual trust, learning, collaboration, growth and development.

On a side note related to the overall thread theme... One thing that seems to kill a project is an early announcement broadcasting the release of a new, revolutionary technology. Probably better to work as a group and release it with an announcement when it's ready to be released.

I happen to know of a guy by the name of Ronnie Walker that has nearly completed a full replication of the Stan Meyer water powered dune buggy. He formed a team of himself and three other guys that will fully build Stan's entire system and when all four of them are complete, they will release across the globe the results. I don't expect anyone to believe what I'm saying here. I have spent personal time with this gentleman and I will say he is a man of integrity and his results will speak for themselves. Someday you'll all be witness to it.

I questioned the plan at first, but I'm starting to think it truly is the correct approach for this day and age.

[Turion]

Group

There are lots of guys around here who are builders and are smart enough to make great contributions to a group. I will be the very first to admit that I am NOT one of them. I will build, and build, and I will bang my head against the wall. Once in a great while I actually come up with something outside the box that might actually work, and the first thing I do is run to Matt so he can figure out how I can make my goofy idea work.

My knowledge of circuits and how to build them is limited. What I have learned I learned from blowing things up and melting things, and spending money no sane individual would spend to repeat the same mistakes over and over until I got it right.

When I went to Matt a while back with the thought that in the 3BGS circuit we needed to increase the voltage hitting battery 3 he came up with an inexpensive boost circuit schematic using a small boost circuit you can buy off the internet. I posted it on this forum, and nobody paid any attention. I posted it at O.U. and was shouted down as not knowing what I was talking about.

When you use it with the 3BGS setup AND ROTATE THE BATTERIES, you can run your motor for a long time without the batteries losing charge. A really long time. A REALLY, REALLY long time. A REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY long time. I would say more about it, but I'm tired of typing the work "REALLY."

I know Matt has taken that concept a lot farther down the road and he has shared at least one improvement on that boost circuit schematic that I am pretty excited about. But that is for him to share, not me.

What I AM going to post here is a collection of the statements made on the 3BGS thread by John Bedini in reference to the 3BGS setup. His words will be in red. I have taken the liberty of correcting a couple of spelling and punctuation errors that spell-check pointed out when I copied and pasted several of his posts into a work document so I would have all of it together to read through:

The Idea here is to flip all the batteries; by rotation they will all gain a charge. The machine requires a computer to do the switching or a switching circuit with a pic controller. I use to do this by hand to charge dead dry cell batteries when I had no money to buy batteries. They lasted long enough for me to get the job done. Alkaline batteries lasted much longer. Mechanical switches have been made that rotate the batteries through contacts. The original idea I learned from taking my house keys and basically causing brush discharges across the poles to cause them to charge so I could use my radio again. The original circuit still can be found on the internet which I did draw in a paint program, others have changed the information to suit themselves. The Bill and Ray circuit did the same thing using capacitors, this device I talked about on the bill Jenkins show in the early 80’s, that program can still be found in sound clips on the internet. What caused the battery to charge was an energy flip or a magnetic reversal which causes the di-pole to compress and then expand where the energy exceeds the short circuit voltage with a huge spike. This is not Back EMF as back EMF is always lower than the battery voltage. It’s the compression in the magnetic field. When the current is released the gathered radiant surrounding energy in vectors is compressed and released and that energy is much increased in voltage not current. This works like an expanding and contracting balloon. Another analogy is the combustion engine. Think about what I just said to you all.

It appears that this device is becoming over compcated, this is a simple device . To answer the question about the 12 volt battery it is charged at 15 volts anything below that the battery is not charged. You must bring the battery to the end of the charge curve. You need the reserve energy to get the correct Amp Hrs. In the demonstration I gave with the three battery system the balancing of the voltage is important whether we use 3 volts or 24 volts that is not important, it's the difference in potential energy to charge the third battery.
You must chose the load very carefully for this process to work. The load must run and charge the third battery.
I do understand what you’re both saying. I’m just trying to give a little history on the three battery system. The lead acid battery is much different in its makeup. If you study the battery you will find that three currents take place in that battery to move things along. I cannot get into the currents here as it would take forever to explain it. I also have seen batteries develop a semi magnetic fields; this experiment will show that the lead acid battery can be quickly charged with the use of powerful magnets in alignment across the plates. I think you guys are doing great work and I’m not here to interfere with your progress. Peter told me about this and I said I would go look and read everything.
At a different point in time I will discuss what the coil is and how quantum mechanics plays an important part in all of this and how you get the extra energy out of the system. I did write a paper for University of Edinburgh along with Dave Clemons that explained the way the coil works in the system as an energy pump and how the SSG in attraction mode works. This is why I said, the Back EMF is always lower than the battery voltage. If you look at the coil in space it can be viewed with vectors all pointing in but not coupled to form energy. As the coil is pulsed compression and decompression takes place these vectors get sucked in through the Bloch Wall while it is in compression mode forming magnetic poles, North and South. This was never released to the public as it would drive everybody nuts. The Engineers at the school answered me with; we never looked at it this way. But the analyses were correct and explained why some machines work better in different areas of this God forsaken planet. Yes Gravity plays an important part in all of this. It’s only a matter of time when you will tap that Gravity wave for energy as that is where my experiments have led me in my work. I know you will read this many times to understand what I have just said and you all know the meaning of this if you do it. If we take this further you now have discovered the answer to the TPU. Some say that the Shaman resonance is responsible for this but the energy is driven by gravity that permeates everything throughout space it’s just a matter how it’s taped for energy. Solid state devices detect this wave if arranged correctly and then the TPU becomes not complicated anymore with windings and high frequency’s oscillators that is what powered Tesla’s car, the box with many vacuum tubes, so again the term Free Energy is wrong as you must put some form of energy in to start the process of conversion and hope you get more out.
Just remember that the energy cannot be destroyed it can only be converted into another form, for example the last version of the SSG. The unit converts the spikes and then filters it to be used with a Linear Amplifier Regulator. Just something to think about, so keep up your good work at least your group is getting somewhere here with this type of system. Good work all. I’m honored that you all would mention my early work, so thank you all.

[Dog-One]

If you look at the coil in space it can be viewed with vectors all pointing in but not coupled to form energy. As the coil is pulsed compression and decompression takes place these vectors get sucked in through the Bloch Wall while it is in compression mode forming magnetic poles, North and South.

I need to let this soak in a while. Instincts tell me I've been looking right at it and never realizing what I was truly seeing.

[med.3012]

Hello everyone,


most people outside don't know the big game they are within..., knowledge and money are similar while knowledge is easy to replicate, give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime..

mankind face a big environment crisis that will affect us all ... we have the choice to do the best we can do, i think we don't have a lot of time !

[ewizard]

I agree with Turion and UFOPolitics here and while I haven't read this whole thread I'd like to throw in my slight twist on the path to Free Energy. It is largely what Turion has spelled out with a little bit of tweaking. It would involve privately contacting at least a dozen or so of the known 'good-guy' builders that are on the forums here and some on overunity.com. First thing you would do is to tell them to get a Ghostmail account at https://www.ghostmail.com/ and then use that exclusively for communication with the builders. It is heavily encrypted and is the most secure communication available and also has chat. Then give all the builders all the info they need to build a replication. Once everyone has a working unit agree via Ghostmail to release the validations on the same day at the same time and spread them as far and wide as possible. This could be done openly or it could be done covertly. If you choose to do it covertly I would include a heavily encrypted password protected file in the plans that discloses whose discovery it is and those involved. This would include not only a password but a key file (like a picture) to open it so it would not be hackable even by supercomputers.

Once the info has become widespread and accepted as valid you could disclose the password showing the true credit for the discovery. If anyone in the mean time made claim that it was theirs they would be shown to be lying unless they could share the password and keyfile for the discoverers.
If it was chosen to disclose covertly you would also need to upload all info from a public Wifi spot using a laptop or tablet that has not been used by you in any previous way on the Internet. You can buy new tablets with Wifi for under $50 so this should not be a problem. I would suggest using a laptop with an extended range Wifi antenna. Also make sure the spot used has no cameras that can see you. That may sound paranoid but considering the past known lengths that the PTB have gone to in order to suppress FE I think it is a reasonably good idea to insure your peace of mind. That's most of my tweak I've picked up from reading some others thoughts on this and should allow you to sleep well at night.

A bit more about Ghostmail: GhostMail is a new encrypted email, chat and file storage provider based in Switzerland that claims zero knowledge of its users and no log keeping. It even has self-destructing email. Everything is free, the company says this option will always exist. In the future a subscription model with extra features will be introduced to cover expenses. - See more at: Free anonymous email&chat provider GhostMail – Hacker 10 – Security Hacker

[DavidE]

ewizard

Your post is a great example of underestimating those that oppose such efforts.

But if using Ghostmail helps you sleep at night, by all means, nitey nite.

[BroMikey]

In my opinion, there have probably been a few lives lost to this cause already, and more simply ruined. So it is really one MORE life. The key is to make sure it is expended FOR something. Don't get bumped off BEFORE you have a chance to share. That would be a waste.

Dave

I'm sorry guys but posts like these leave me feeling very fortunate
to have gained this mans respect, I can tell you he is an amazing
thinker. He is glad to find the same but will never answer most of
the time. Learning how to talk to a mighty man is a gift.

Most members would never know the difference.






Hey Marc, Dave over to ENERGETICFORUM helped me send HITBY a genset
and has one for you. When you are free come over the the forum.

Turion/Dave has responded that he will donate one of his McCulloch gensets.
Contact me and we can find out what shipping might cost for one of those things.

Last time I checked it was $200 on the high side depending. It aint cheap, C-Ya after
the Holly Jollies.

Mike Rowland (Central Kansas)






Marc Belanger
7:25 AM

+Bro Mikey WOW that would be great. I would be willing to pay for the shipping because I'd like to get the experiment over and done with. I've been looking up and down for one, as a matter of fact, I think i spoke to Dave about this last week or even previous to that because I wanted to complete the project so I could move on to complete the D. Smith generator. I have figured out the key to it's functionality for the most part, I am just having difficulty getting resonance on both sides of the coil, which is the key to match the frequency on both ends. I am not the best at tuning because there isn't any such thing as a tunable HV nF range air capacitor.

Marc Belanger
7:31 AM

+Marc Belanger I would like to get the don smith running, then use my HV transformers to step the Don Smith system back down, using the transformer as it's final piece of equipment, however, the frequency would then have to be adjusted in the HV range which I am not sure is even possible. That is my plan so far, so, I am working as much as I can without my wife getting too ticked off about not spending time with the family. (I wish the projects interested her... It'd be perfect!!) Maybe I could figure out a way to use the McCulloch genset to draw in this energy, then use the principle to cop over to the smith generator.. The energy is supposed to come from the same place.. I have to think about it a bit.. It has to do with synching the transformers without ground, but, Don states his system needs ground. Maybe that's what the whole flaw is and Don's system will fail with a ground, making it completely functional without a ground. I will have to try them both once I get the gen..






http://www.energeticforum.com/283731-post979.html

Bro Mikey
2:38 PM

Yes I told Dave what you said, thanks Marc
the grounds were something I needed to bring up as I have been going over the DonS video's and data again. Repeatedly. He only mentions it on occasion but yes grounding is shown as
a means of filtration on the output side. If memory serves the grounds (2) both are one on the load device and one before of after the
sparkgap? It is something like that where
the energy is probably back tracking through
grounds to smooth to 60hz. Guess who just said that? Good Ole Clarence said that because just this week he finished some testing and has concluded with his years
or cataloging info in the ole knoggin (LOL)
that one ground rod on this side and one ground rod there, well crap I gotta run, check out the Captor Barbosa leal thread he tells you step by step what you need.

It's great to hear from you Marc I always enjoy
your insight.