The Path to a real Free Energy Device.

[CANGAS]

[QUOTE=BroMikey;283667]What is your name in real life and do you realize that your IP can
be tracked and that the site owners can access your records
of personal information?
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CANGAS writes..You find it trivial to destroy my right to privacy?
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Why as a "Christian" are you blessing one man on another thread and
cursing Dave on this thread? Do you know him personally? Why do
you hide your identity?
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CANGAS writes...If you are still able to read a few minutes from now, read my posts and you will discover why I have

praised one man and criticized another.
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Or is this another false flag, setup by a scripting genius? All info
is recoverable, why hide?
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CANGAS writes....I am not concerned about your silly bickering among yourselves. Do not try to drag me into it or bother

me with it. I hide because I am very shy and have the right of privacy.
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CANGAS

[CANGAS]

A Patent is way that Governments have full control over the Patent Owner (Inventor) or Assignee.

They can "turn you off" as a switch...

They can restrict/seize/recover/lock up/ and prohibit Patent Marketing of related Products ANY TIME.

Violators are subject to Inventor's Secrecy Act from the 1950's.

It is a Federal Violation punishable with 10 years in Federal Prison or 10,000 USD "Legal Tender Notes"

The Two major Government Branches that are ABOVE USPTO are: DoD and DoE (Dept. of Defense, Dept. of Energy

They decide if a specific Patent could be detrimental to National Security...which could mean an Economic Collapse of the main Source of Energy:OIL. and ALL related Industries including WAR INDUSTRY.

Ufopolitics

A free energy energy device that really does work and is practical for universal use by poor people who do not own acreage, cannot put up a windmill, etc., would antiquate the petroleum industry in one hour. Very widespread unemployment, bankruptcy for oil companies and their stock becoming instantly worthless, etc.. Worldwide financial chaos overnight. The perp is the inventor who is then arrested as a terrorist of the worst kind. Hang him high, or, put him into lifetime solitary in a black ops jail in Nowhereistan. Better yet do that BEFORE he makes the invention public. All reasons for the inventor to have perfect information about patents and whatever, so he might have a chance to survive and succeed in making the invention and its profits available to help the poorest among us.

CANGAS

[SisMika]

This is an amazing forum! As soon as a person tries to start an intelligent thread the disinformation agents jump right in to try and stop it with their silly babble. It should be obvious (but probably isn't) that CANNED GAS, BIG MOUTH, and UFLOP are only here to disrupt this thread. I wonder why? Maybe Dave was actually posting some good information the disinformation agents don't want out there.

Please ignore them Dave and continue with your ideas and thoughts.

[wrtner]

You do not seem to know what a PROVISIONAL PATENT APPLICATION is in the USPTO. Find out, and then ask me questions that are NOT silly.

CANGAS

Have you actually built anything, Cangas? Do you even own a soldering iron?

[SlickDick]

Have you actually built anything, Cangas? Do you even own a soldering iron?

Don't feed the troll.

http://www.energeticforum.com/283553-post969.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/276222-post508.html

Use the ignore list http://www.energeticforum.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist

While you are there, might as well put BM on it.

[Turion]

I called you a liar because you were describing a USPTO PROVISIONAL PATENT APPLICATION in such a wrong way that it was not possible to believe that you were simply ignorant or confused about it. If a lucky inventor relied on your advice re a USPTO provisional patent application, he could wind up making very serious mistakes that could cause him to lose his invention or his freedom or his life.

Wow! Such drama. You know as well as I do that the ONLY reasons to file a provisional patent application instead of a patent application is to establish a first to file date, because it is cheaper than a patent application to begin the process, and it buys you time to work on your device or secure funding before filing for patent. There is NO SUCH THING as a provisional patent, only a provisional patent application. And since I recommended not filing AT ALL, PERIOD, it makes little difference whether you DON'T file a Provisional Patent Application or DON'T file a Patent Application now does it???? And yes, NOT filing could result in an inventor losing his invention. But I gave my reasons. You don't have to agree with them, but to say it will cost someone their freedom or their life to NOT file is pretty dramatic don't you think? So that's YOUR "expert knowledge" at work, which it seems YOU are allowed to have,but I am not.

I called you a jerk because you acted as if your wrong description was a trifle and you were obviously not concerned about any harm it might do to some innocent soul relying on your self proclaimed "expert" knowledge.

The issue I was trying to bring attention to was whether to file or not to file AT ALL. That is the point of discussion. If you want to continue to argue the differences between what I mentioned, which is a provisional patent application and what I meant, which is a patent application, feel free, but you are missing the point. If the issue is NOT FILING AT ALL, it really doesn't make a difference which kind of application you DON'T FILE now does it???

You have revealed your true character early on, by appealing to the lucky inventor's vanity and greed, ie. make millions as a lecturer, and, be famous as the first real free energy inventor. Those things are your gods and so you appeal to those impulses in others. those things are NOT my gods, and are laughable to me. My ambition is to get lucky and invent the free energy device worth trillions annually or hundreds of trillions over the life of a patent, and GIVE IT ALL TO HELP THE POOREST ON THE PLANET.

You presume to know my motivation for the things that I do. YOUR "expertise" at work again. And you continue to impugn my character, which gives us a pretty clear view of YOURS. I have donated hundreds of dollars behind the scenes to OTHER researchers on these forums with no strings attached. Have YOU? I have also donated parts and equipment to any NUMBER of people, without asking or expecting a thing. Have you? The whole purpose for this entire thread was to discuss a way to bring free energy to the people, and yet you derail it for this ridiculous discussion about my character and the differences between NOT Filing a provisional patent application and NOT FILING a patent application. Are you proud of yourself? What is your goal here, really? To prove to everyone that I made a mistake? I did. Are you happy now? As for helping the poorest on the planet with your free energy device. And I quote "My practical electrical and electronic expertise is very small. I am urgently hoping that somebody who knows their volt from their amp will design a LITTLE demonstration device that might only make 10 watts, or 1, but will do it reliably and undeniably." The forecast for that appears cloudy.

If what you are doing here is to aggravate member's craving for fame and hedonistic use of personal wealth, then, yes, I am opposed to such sad misuse of a precious human lifetime, though I do not waste my precious time trying to oppose your sins. I am trying to use my life and my time to help the poor of the planet. You are just a coincidence.

You have not only wasted YOUR precious time, you have wasted mine and everybody else's who is reading this thread. So far all I have seen from you is negative, negative, negative. Have you contributed one tiny scrap of information to further the cause of free energy for the people on ANY thread on this forum? I find no evidence of that. Have you shared any insights, experiments or discoveries on any thread here? I see no evidence of that. Just exactly WHAT is the contribution you are making to this kind of research, or are you just wasting air that could be used by someone who is REALLY contributing?

[Turion]

MEssage

BroMikey,

There is this thing called freedom of speech. It provides the opportunity for people to jump onto any thread on this forum and do their absolute best to sidetrack it. They raise doubts and questions about the content. They raise doubts and questions about the people contributing. They use name calling and insinuation to stir things up and divert the focus from what it should be. They post countless YouTube videos that are meaningless and contribute nothing. They engage in page long rants evoking their gods and doing their best to show that they stand on the higher moral ground. They posture and threaten and do everything they can to distract and waste the time of people who are here trying to make a difference. They drive GOOD people away, either through intimidation or through the sheer volume of trash that they force us to wade through to get to anything that is meaningful.

I have no control over Matt. I have no control over Cangas. I have no control over you. I have no control over ANYONE, nor do I want any. This is not a dictatorship. Everyone here has the opportunity to do the right thing and contribute in a meaningful way. Some people have less patience with idiots than others. But I do know that until we ALL put this bickering aside and treat each other in a respectful manner, far less will be accomplished than COULD be accomplished. I have just wasted the last hour of my life posting stuff here that is ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS to the research that needs to be done.

Every time I begin a thread, and believe me, I have started a few. In fact, I started THIS one NOT just to share some info, but also to see what would happen. And guess what happened? IMMEDIATELY there is a big attempt to waste my time and sidetrack everything. Why I wonder does this happen? How could someone POSSIBLY take us step by step through the process of building a free energy device when THIS crap happens every time.

But I'm not discouraged about the opportunity, just about THIS particular method of exchanging information in a simple expedient manner. I have three individuals coming over to my shop today, and we are beginning to work together. From things I see on this forum and others and what I see on my bench, I have high expectations for the near future. And I know at least some of what Matt has up his sleeve to share when things slow down for him on the farm. There's a lot to be positive about, and the positives far outweigh the negatives.

[OrionLightShip]

As An Example

We should all strive to be more like this guy.

[Turion]

I absolutely agree.
The Tech Awards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JWQrNIZn8E
is the program my wife worked with when we lived in San Jose. They honor and AWARD these kinds of innovators from all over the world for producing technology that has made tremendous changes in the lives of ordinary people. Everything from the disposable syringe, that allowed for vaccinations of millions to prevent the spread of diseases, to simple devices to light and heat homes.

I have been fortunate enough to go to that conference on several occasions, and because of my wife's position, was able to meet many of the folks involved including some of the inventors. Some of those chance meetings have become lasting relationships, and seeing their selfless devotion to making the world a better place is what keeps me focused when I see some of the things that go on here.
Dave

[BroMikey]

BroMikey,

There is this thing called freedom of speech. It provides the opportunity for people to jump onto any thread on this forum and do their absolute best to sidetrack it. They raise doubts and questions about the content. They raise doubts and questions about the people contributing. They use name calling and insinuation to stir things up and divert the focus from what it should be. They post countless YouTube videos that are meaningless and contribute nothing. They engage in page long rants evoking their gods and doing their best to show that they stand on the higher moral ground. They posture and threaten and do everything they can to distract and waste the time of people who are here trying to make a difference. They drive GOOD people away, either through intimidation or through the sheer volume of trash that they force us to wade through to get to anything that is meaningful.

I have no control over Matt. I have no control over Cangas. I have no control over you. I have no control over ANYONE, nor do I want any. This is not a dictatorship. Everyone here has the opportunity to do the right thing and contribute in a meaningful way. Some people have less patience with idiots than others. But I do know that until we ALL put this bickering aside and treat each other in a respectful manner, far less will be accomplished than COULD be accomplished. I have just wasted the last hour of my life posting stuff here that is ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS to the research that needs to be done.

Every time I begin a thread, and believe me, I have started a few. In fact, I started THIS one NOT just to share some info, but also to see what would happen. And guess what happened? IMMEDIATELY there is a big attempt to waste my time and sidetrack everything. Why I wonder does this happen? How could someone POSSIBLY take us step by step through the process of building a free energy device when THIS crap happens every time.

But I'm not discouraged about the opportunity, just about THIS particular method of exchanging information in a simple expedient manner. I have three individuals coming over to my shop today, and we are beginning to work together. From things I see on this forum and others and what I see on my bench, I have high expectations for the near future. And I know at least some of what Matt has up his sleeve to share when things slow down for him on the farm. There's a lot to be positive about, and the positives far outweigh the negatives.

I agree with what you are saying, You know me by now so let's keep
trying. Each has spoken their mind so let's get it worked out to where
each voice is honored.

[Sputins]

WAD (A good theme for a movie).

There is this thing called freedom of speech. It provides the opportunity for people to jump onto any thread on this forum and do their absolute best to sidetrack it. They raise doubts and questions about the content. They raise doubts and questions about the people contributing. They use name calling and insinuation to stir things up and divert the focus from what it should be. They post countless YouTube videos that are meaningless and contribute nothing. They engage in page long rants evoking their gods and doing their best to show that they stand on the higher moral ground. They posture and threaten and do everything they can to distract and waste the time of people who are here trying to make a difference. They drive GOOD people away, either through intimidation or through the sheer volume of trash that they force us to wade through to get to anything that is meaningful.

Everyone here has the opportunity to do the right thing and contribute in a meaningful way. Some people have less patience with idiots than others. But I do know that until we ALL put this bickering aside and treat each other in a respectful manner, far less will be accomplished than COULD be accomplished. I have just wasted the last hour of my life posting stuff here that is ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS to the research that needs to be done.

Turion, you seem to be 100% spot on with that statement.

I’ve noticed recently with the in majority of threads they start out okay and quickly descend into an argument (about the underlying science, religion, a personality or something). Thus the thread is side tracked or derailed somehow.

I generally don’t contribute to a thread that has pages of rants and arguments.

All I want to see are the experiments, inventions, ideas and the results. Together with the apparatus and methods used to achieve their claimed results. (Assuming those posting here want to share their work and ideas, otherwise you’d just keep the information all to yourself and share nothing).

Most of us have an occult plan, agenda or simply a goal regarding one’s own research.

Most of us want to discover methods to tap into a new kind energy system, or make a World Altering Discovery, for the enhancement or betterment of mankind…

Some want money. Some want fame. Some want nothing.

If via your research you discovered a (reproducible) World Altering Discovery, with all of the complications and ramifications that go along with it then what the hell would you do?

What are your options? All of a sudden you would find yourself with the weight of the planet on upon your shoulders. Perhaps you shouldn’t have even discovered it in the first place? But now that you have, (in theory) what do you do? What can you do? What should you do?

What are you going to do?

Are you really sure you want to find the path to a real free energy device?



Of course!

[OrionLightShip]

What are you going to do?

Are you really sure you want to find the path to a real free energy device?



Of course!

Quoting Konehead about creating a successful free energy device as best I can remember.

"It's going to ruin everything, and I'm ok with that."

[Turion]

Shift

It will definitely shift the balance of power (pun intended) from a very few to the many. Yeah, I can live with that.

And we are so close. I feel like any day someone is going to beat me to the punch and post a working device here before I can get MY act together. But that's ok too. As long as SOMEBODY does it.

[mbrownn]

It will definitely shift the balance of power (pun intended) from a very few to the many. Yeah, I can live with that.

And we are so close. I feel like any day someone is going to beat me to the punch and post a working device here before I can get MY act together. But that's ok too. As long as SOMEBODY does it.

Well said

Changing the game is more important to me than winning the race.

[DavidE]

Turion,

There is this thing called freedom of speech.

If we all step back in America it becomes clear that the "freedoms" that we crow about... exist in a box, heavily censored by those in power over us. So is it really freedom then? Yes and No.

There is this mechanism in this country that actively infiltrates all people and networks that may threaten their structure of power over. All of this from AI, to Lettered Agencies, to a wide range of terrestrial beings that are dovetailed together to accumulate and maintain power over the people.

It is beyond questionable that this system has been deployed for many years. There are countless examples of this force actively engaged at just the right moment - to bury any force that could expand our freedoms beyond where they are today.

So any single inventor declares war on the prevailing authority? THEY have Trillions of dollars of influence behind them. Intellect many times the inventor and can play multiple dimensional chess like breathing air. AI systems are always in the background sweeping up the details and organizing them for authority review. Your mind is like an open book to those with that capacity, and satellites in space can watch you 24/7. Here is the most obvious of all truths - you have no chance singularly, of breaking from your freedom shackles. Unless your resources can match theirs.

The only hope is likely exhibited by the idea of the wily computer virus. For your ideas to penetrate and escape detection, you must broadcast them to the entire planet faster than the infrastructure can stop you. You must come to the conclusion that mankind breaking free from its freedom box is more important than you or your idea. Then others may join this effort and do the same thing, at the same time.

But if you do this be ready... because more likely than not you will pay the ultimate price for challenging the system. You will never survive long enough for Rock Star moments. Your life will flash before you, your essence will depart with but one solace. You gave your life for the sake of others. I believe there is no more worthy cause, than acting for the sake of others.

I don't mean this to sound so grim, but it is just like all life on earth. For everything there is compromise, balance, yin yan. You want to change planet earth? Just be ready to pay the ultimate price - with your life.

So what should you do? Declare that your work is about learning, about discovery, about becoming a more engaged component of your species. Publish your work, share your results, release your ego to participate in this. "Truths discovered are more powerful than truths told."

Like all power over regimes, in time THEY will make a mistake... and in that instant, the future of the planet will shift. Trust that "nature" will level the field over time. It always does...