Earth resonance

[Ernst]

I was wondering if anyone else besides Tesla has verified that the Earth can be thrown into electrical resonance at 11.772822296 Hz (or thereabout ).
(I am NOT referring to the Schumann resonance at 7.83 Hz, 14, 20, 26, 33, 45 Hz etc., those frequencies refer to resonance in the Earth's atmosphere, not in the Earth itself.)

Does anyone know?
Is there a report available on i-net?


Ernst.

[SlickDick]

Is this a trick question my witty Dutchmen?

You're not planning to split the earth now are you?

Anyway... My research turned up inconclusive. You might as well be the first to verify, deny or provide a more accurate value.

Wishing you the best with your endeavours next year!

[Jeff Pearson]

https://www.google.com/patents/US1333095
Charles Harvey Roe
No mention of earth resonance here but he is using earth as a conductor and NOT Schumann cavity. Double ground.
Looks like you just might have to be the first to verify Tesla's claim on earth resonance Ernst.
oh and this patent is transmission of power not radio signals

[Ernst]

Thanks for the answers and your wishes!
Of course, I too wish all of you the very best for this new year

Strange patent, Jeff! Seems utterly useless to me after Tesla's system, which is MUCH more effective. Then he claims to have useful improvements????
Silly Charles....

Well, that is of course if Tesla's claim can be verified. Which is something I am currently working on. It is the final proof that I need concerning Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter.
Then we will have a machine that not only transmits electrical energy, which is as some believe its only function, but also taps a still unused source of energy.
Oh, that reminds me, next we need to verify at what rate we can extract energy from this source. If Tesla is correct on that point too, then we will never need another source again.

First things first. Earth resonance....
It appears much more complicated than one would think at first.
Not to create resonance, but to prove that it is the Earth which resonates.
Anyways....
small proofs are stacking up, the plot thickens....


Ernst.

[Jeff Pearson]

I agree with you on that patent I just posted it because of Earth conduction instead of Schumann cavity. It supports that part of Tesla's claim. I have not been able to find ANYTHING on earth resonance besides Tesla. All it seems you can find is people calling Schumann resonance Earth resonance which are two completely different things. From your post it sounds like you have measured something and are trying to verify it is the Earth you are measuring.

[Ernst]

From your post it sounds like you have measured something and are trying to verify it is the Earth you are measuring.

That is correct.
I have a number of (different) experiments that seem to point in that direction but are not definite proof.
I am not out of ideas, yet. But I thought if someone already had done it, I could learn from his experiment.


Ernst.

[RAMSET]

Ernst
If I may ask a favor ?
I will completely remove this post if inappropriate .

We have a researcher in the UK that did some preliminary testing of
Barbosi type apparatus ,and whilst ringing or sweeping the earth between two ground rods
Did notice more power coming back to his oscilloscope probe than he was
Sending out (,at certain frequencies)
Much more

Would you be adverse to investigating this here or explain ?

The other threads on this topic seem to get very noisy and our friend would just like to take small steps and understand this better.

?

Oh and happy new year to all.

Respectfully
Chet

[Ernst]

@ RAMSET,

OK, let's have a look.
But let's also try to keep the noise at the other thread .
To explain it would be a little premature based on what you write, but a few thoughts come to mind.
Can you first give a more precise description of his experiment.
- what kind of apparatus is he using both for sending and receiving
- at what power levels is he transmitting (also at what voltage)
- at what frequencies or frequency ranges does he get excess power
- how does he measure the received power
- how much power does he measure

A very preliminary explanation could be that his receiving system is also picking up signals from others, such as radio stations and maybe even an occasional Tesla coil or some natural source.


Ernst.

[RAMSET]

Ernst
Very good indeed , I believe Grumage will be redoing the experiments
Shortly ,I will discuss this with him in the AM (will get answers to all your questions) and see if we can
Tighten up the whole experiment so as to give some solid explanation
For this extra power he is seeing.

Thank you

Chet

[Grumage]

Power?

Dear Ernst and Chet.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I fear Chet used the wrong term, I was seeing an increase in received AC Voltage at certain high frequencies between two Copper earth rods about 8 M apart. Voltage, not power.

It was a simple experiment. Two rods sunk to 0.6 M @ 8 M apart send signal was from my 20 V p/p signal generator onto remote rod with Ch 1 looking. Both gnd connections joined, Ch 2 looking at the received signal. Both scope and SG were sat on a fully insulated platform and powered by my fully isolated UPS so as not to get involved with my service providers earth system.

The scope traces matched in amplitude until about 800 kHz when the receiving signal stated to grow in amplitude but as my SG is only able to reach 1.6 MHz I could not pursue the experiment further.

Your comments would be gratefully appreciated.

Cheers Grum.

[Ernst]

Dear Ernst and Chet.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I fear Chet used the wrong term, I was seeing an increase in received AC Voltage at certain high frequencies between two Copper earth rods about 8 M apart. Voltage, not power.

It was a simple experiment. Two rods sunk to 0.6 M @ 8 M apart send signal was from my 20 V p/p signal generator onto remote rod with Ch 1 looking. Both gnd connections joined, Ch 2 looking at the received signal. Both scope and SG were sat on a fully insulated platform and powered by my fully isolated UPS so as not to get involved with my service providers earth system.

The scope traces matched in amplitude until about 800 kHz when the receiving signal stated to grow in amplitude but as my SG is only able to reach 1.6 MHz I could not pursue the experiment further.

Your comments would be gratefully appreciated.

Cheers Grum.

Let's see if I got this right.
I guess I will have to ignore Dragon's diagram?
Two ground rods sunk to 0.6 M @ 8 M apart. Clear. Let's call them R1 and R2.
A 20 V p/p signal (from an isolated generator) connected to R2.
Scope gnd connected to SG gnd.
Scope Ch1 signal connected to R2.
Scope Ch2 signal connected to R1.

The first strange thing is that you get a matching amplitude at low frequencies. That would mean that there is no voltage drop over 8m ground. That is extremely unlikely, especially with such low voltages. There is some resistance of the earth and the ground connections, there is a current flowing, so there MUST be a voltage drop.
I am not saying that you are lying, but there must be something wrong with either the experiment or your measurements. For if it were as you say, you could replace the SG with a battery and the scope with a 12V light bulb and the bulb would light up as if connected directly to the battery. I must admit I have not tried that but I don't think it will work.
You know what, I have ground rods here and batteries and all, I will test and get back later.

Can you describe the voltage rise that you see. Is it a steady rise of let's say 1V / KHz or does the rise increase at higher frequencies. Also, what values did you measure?

It would also be interesting to see what current is drawn from your SG. (at all frequencies)

I'll be back soon.

Meanwhile it looks like I have got my proof for Earth resonance complete!

(ready to split the Earth. Which half do you want Slick?)


Ernst.

[Ernst]

@ Grumage,

mmmm.....

Ok.....

So I was wrong. (my mind is still too much with my own success )
I have 2 ground rods here, one about 17 m deep, one 3 m. roughly 8 m apart.
I measure a voltage of 0.060 V between them, which inhibits a good resistance measurement.
Also I pick up various signals between 400 KHz and 500 KHz between them.
When I put 12V AC on one, I measure almost the same value on the other (one line connected directly, one line going through the Earth). So the resistance of this ground connection is small compared to that of my multimeter (and most likely that of your scope).
You can not light a bulb because that needs more current, obviously.
So having this point cleared up, up to the next...

You know what, could you make a (5 min) video showing this experiment. That would probably be much more effective, so I (we all) can look over your shoulder as it were.

Maybe I can repeat the experiment and see for myself. That is often the most effective anyway. I do not have a good scope, though. But I have SGs that go to 30 MHz.
I won't have time to do this within a few days, but maybe later this week. Meanwhile your video could help.


Ernst.

[Grumage]

Dear Ernst.

Thank you for your prompt reply.

We currently have Mother Nature doing her best to extend N Wales into the Lake District!! Rain is falling relentlessly.

I will try and put something together when things get a little dryer. For the meantime I have linked a couple of videos showing the rough layout of rods, and perhaps another slightly curious effect.

https://youtu.be/x__NQOtrzf0

https://youtu.be/JcPu4Ie47vA

Cheers Grum.

[Grumage]

Hindsight.

Dear Ernst.

I'm one of a few that have had " hands on " experience with earth testing having spent nigh on 2 decades with an Electricity Board ( before privatisation) involved with the commissioning and maintenance of HV substations. Aye many a happy and unhappy hour spent trudging across fields armed with cable drum spike and hammer.

Most tests were done with DC to plot the ground resistance around a point that might, depending on the results be chosen for a future substation.

The hindsight bit, no sight like it !! Having thought a little perhaps a small load resistor across Ch 2 would have been a good idea or even a very low wattage incandescent lamp? Perhaps whilst the deluge continues we can formulate a plan of attack for a concerted effort at some future date?

Cheers Grum.

[Grumage]

Apology.

Dear Dragon.

I'm sure you're well aware that Ernst meant no disrespect regarding your drawing ?

I'm still toddling whilst you're into the marathon !! With not having anything better to pursue this effect I moved on to other topics but it would appear that you have carried this line of research much further? Please PM me.

I realise that I may have inadvertently turned this thread in a different direction, after all Ernst was discussing Earth Resonance so may I convey my sincerest apologies and leave Ernst to his original and first post.

Cheers Grum.