Earth resonance

[Grumage]

Dear Ernst.

Please find attached a possible explanation into the effect I was seeing.

Quote from user member Smudge at OUR.

" Here is my take on Grum's experiment. The isolated SG plus scope plus UPS have significant self capacitance to ground, and since the SG connects to ground it is driving current through that capacitance. It is not driving current into the ground rod. Self capacitance is a queer thing, it exists even when the device is far away from the ground that we know as earth. Its "ground" point is really just a zero potential point. The current I show in the first image below is not going into our earth ground, it is just going into space as Maxwell's displacement current to charge and discharge the self capacitance, or put another way to create the alternating electric field emanating from the scope, SG and UPS chassis as their potentials change relative to ground. That first image is for low frequencies where it is clear that both scope channels see the same voltage. The second image includes the inductance of the wire connecting the SG to ground where it becomes clear that the scope channels now see different voltages. The distant earth rod is not responsible for this effect, as would be evident if the second scope channel were connected to the near earth rod.

Smudge "

Un quote.

In their opinion it is simply a HF tank circuit that I was getting close to it's resonant point.

Kind regards, Grum.

[dragon]

Let's say it is acting as a resonant tank, why wouldn't there be current in the ground? That earth link between the ground rods and connecting wire forms a pseudo loop... isn't that what tesla was essentially doing?

[Ernst]

That Smudge is a smart fellow!
I was having difficulty with the assumed ground current between the rods and this is a perfect way around it. Also the phase shift between in and out signal is way too large to be explained by simple travel time.
This can rather easily be verified.
- using a longer wire to the far ground pin should lower the resonance frequency
- putting in a few loops instead of a straight wire would do that too
- adding capacitance by connecting a large metal object close (but unconnected) to the ground to the combined grounds would also lower the frequency

A ground current should be able to excite a grounded coil tuned to the sender's frequency.
I don't think you will manage to do that with such low voltages.

Maybe it is just still too early (in the morning) for me to try and say something clever but it seems to me that the above explanation can not be applied to the light bulb that you also showed. A full explanation should include that one too.
Give me some more time to wake up and I'll see if I can come up with something.

As to my end-game, that is very much in this direction too.
Currently I am working on a video to show this result, that is Earth resonance.
Next is building the receiver and testing it.
Then talk to my investors to decide upon the next steps.
And then I will do a video explaining the complete system including an overview of the energy involved, where it comes from, how it is captured, converted and made available.


Ernst.

[Ernst]

Had a few moments to think about it now, and I still think Smudge's explanation is sounding very good.
Yet in the case of the light bulb, the situation is very similar, but you can not say that there is no current through the ground, for there obviously is. The light would not shine otherwise.
But it is a matter of quantity. To drive the input of a scope channel to + or - 20V only a minute charge is required. And so a very small current would suffice.
Still worth a few experiments, I think.


Ernst.

[Ernst]

As soon as it is proven that Grumage's resonance does not take place in the Earth then you are right Dragon! You were ahead of us and the two of you should start a new thread!
Why haven't you already?
Posting in this thread is no more difficult than starting your own. There you can and should elaborate on the "new and interesting possibilities" that you see.
I'll be interested to read along and maybe post my ideas there too.

Here is my video on the original subject.


Ernst.

[dragon]

My humble apology again sir...

[SlickDick]

@Ernst

Congratulations Ernst! I am sure this is a milestone achievement and critical to move forward.

mate!

[Grumage]

Dear Ernst.

I too would like to convey my apologies, it has become quite clear that my demonstration was erroneous and has nothing to do with the subject of Earth resonance.

May I take this opportunity to wish you every success with your venture.

Kind regards, Grum.

[Ernst]

apologies???

Is this the apology-thread of the energetic forum?
I have never seen this here before, one apology after another, while really, it is not necessary!
You have interesting things to show, don't you think so?

@ Grumage, I think you are saying that you do not wish to research this any further?
There still are an number of interesting variations on your experiment that would be worth trying. But I understand you are also discussing this elsewhere?
Anyway, thanks for sharing your experiment!

@ SlickDick, Thanks, and yes, it most certainly is!


Ernst.

[Ernst]

Oh okay, sorry for the mix up. And usually you put some reference note with any quotes from Tesla. - So Tesla said 1HP but that reference is yet to be located.

Generally from your observations and the 1Hp value Tesla mentions, a minimal power level for a TMT rig to produce “Earth Pings” would be around 1KW.

I thought I had a more direct quote from Tesla, but here are two which when combined say the same:
1904-03-05: The Transmission of Electrical Energy Without Wires:

The best design of which I know has been adopted, and the transmitter will emit a wave complex of total maximum activity of ten million horse-power, one per cent. of which is amply sufficient to "girdle the globe."

1904-03-27: Cloudborn Electric Wavelets To Encircle The Globe

But in his article he announces that he will transmit from the tower an electric wave of a total maximum activity of ten million horse power. This, he says, will be possible with a plant of but 100 horse power, by the use of a magnifying transmitter of his own invention and certain artifices which he promises to make known in due course.

So with 100 HP a maximum activity of 10,000,000 HP can be created, and 1% of this is "Amply sufficient to girdle the globe". Meaning that 1 HP would do.
But, as stated before, I'm quite sure that he mentions the 1 HP in a more direct way, somewhere.....


Ernst.

[Sputins]

I thought I had a more direct quote from Tesla, but here are two which when combined say the same:
1904-03-05: The Transmission of Electrical Energy Without Wires:

1904-03-27: Cloudborn Electric Wavelets To Encircle The Globe


So with 100 HP a maximum activity of 10,000,000 HP can be created, and 1% of this is "Amply sufficient to girdle the globe". Meaning that 1 HP would do.
But, as stated before, I'm quite sure that he mentions the 1 HP in a more direct way, somewhere.....


Ernst.

Fair enough, we can say 1 HP is reasonably certain and roughly the minimum requirement. (That would be given that one had an adequate grounding system, not just a single rod driven one foot into the ground).

This is good news indeed!

1 HP, that makes it quite practical. A back-yard Tesla engineer could build him or herself a 1 HP (~1KW) TMT or TRT system with minimal cost (relatively) and send and receive signals through the earth...

If it were a minimum of 1MW, (which one might first think) then that wouldn’t be practical to build for most experimenters due to the cost and size of the equipment required for a 1MW system. Let alone any legal issues.

For example, I could engineer a system of a maximum of about 3KW, which should be sufficient.

With your mammoth system, someone on the planet (with the appropriate Tesla equipment) could likely tune in and receive the signals from your system, via the earth... (You’re probably causing havoc with submarines lol).

[mikrovolt]

I relate to the subject of earth resonance personally when there is an unbalance.
528 Hz is my guess but I feel that all the sounds of the spheres have health effect
I find it beneficial to listen to these, and as a soffegio mix it help to tune the mind.
For me listening helps making these sounds more dominant. Or the others less dominant.
It is my intention to bring this subject to help some of the group be more focused.

Regarding electrical energy these resonances show more power and structural definition
as a sphere or circle on a cymatic plate more importantly in gas such as a nitrogen composition.
I would assume then that there would be great benefit on various charge separation mechanism.
I believe that this is the case in nature with an open system. The AC resonant series
on one side of the dielectric and the DC being collected on the other.
Someone had mentioned fractals again, i think that is correct and that the large volume
is facilitated down the concentration gradient. Possibly the inductor's role is better suited
to tuning the capacitor's design as Don Smith said he spent much time on ordering special capacitors
I hope this might help to take this appoach on most of the FE designs.

Sorry about the rambling. another note In the split polarity systems or establishing a feedpoint between two
capacitors the open system might be severly restricted by the dimensions of conventional diodes.