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  • Steele Braden's Electrostatic Motor

    Here is a book that this project is based on
    Electrostatic Motors: Their History, Types and Principles of Operation: Oleg Jefimenko, Thomas Valone, David K. Walker: 9781935023470: Amazon.com: Books

    Here is the video
    https://youtu.be/kZsTI06JHRA


    Information fromSteele:
    Here is the prototype electrostatic motor of the Oleg Jefimenco design running on 10 kv at 0.1 milliamp. (one watt).
    You will see the 8 hacksaw blades I used as the electrodes.
    The teeth on the blades work perfectly for the job as this is where the most HT discharges from.
    Inside the white PVC cylinder drum, is a cylinder of aluminium foil which is unconnected to anything.
    Each alternate blade is +,-.+.-.
    You can hear the hiss of the HT doing its job.
    I turn the motor off for a brief time during the video, as otherwise the motor accelerates to too high a speed and shakes madly, being not properly dynamically balanced.
    It appears that such a motor, if double the length, would have enough torque to run my Electrostatic Alternator, thus powering itself. (two watts).

    I have experimented with one of Oleg Jefimencos electrostatic motor designs with great success!
    This motor I made up is a drum type of white PVC 110 mm in diameter and 160mm long.
    It has 8 pieces of hacksaw blades as the electrodes.
    These work very well with the teeth almost touching the drum.
    You are probably very familiar with this design.
    This motor runs on 10kv at 0.1 milliamp!! (one watt).
    It self starts and if permitted, would run up to very high revs,but because I haven’t got it perfectly dynamically balanced, I can only let it run at a few hundred rpm or it shakes itself violently.
    It looks like a motor twice as long would have enough torque to run the Electrostatic Alternator. (just 2 watts!)

    I suggest that you feed the HT directly to the machine, rather than try odd fancy stuff such as a ball on an electrode to feed the motor.
    Air gaps are totally uneccessary in the input supply and in fact reduce efficiency markedly.
    It doesn’t matter if your supply is higher than 10kv, but this is probably the minimum it will work on.
    Smooth HT DC works best.
    With my 8 electrodes, this consumes one watt (10kv at 0.1 milliamp).
    My electrodes, (hacksaw blade pieces), are 150mm long of active (in close proximity to the drum) length.
    If doubled in length, would consume 2 watts.
    If you increase the voltage much, this doesn’t add much to the speed/torque.
    What decides the speed/torque, is the total length of close proximity blade/electrodes.
    The more you have, the more torque/speed.
    You could also double the diameter of the drum with twice as many electrodes, but the larger diameter it is, the more precise the roundness and dynamic balance needs to be.
    This is why I only used a drum 110mm in diameter.
    Look up Oleg Jefimenco on the net.
    He shows a few designs, including this one which I made.
    “Advances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers.”
    —Bernhard Haisch, Astrophysicist

  • #2
    This reminds me of Steve Dufresne and his work on the Hyde electrostatic motor:
    Help needed with Hyde Generator

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    • #3
      Very nice projects, both, the motor and the generator. I guess, plexiglass rotor may work better as with white PVC but more expensive. I did some experiments with electrostatic propulsion couple years ago and used glass but that was a little different approach -
      - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F56XXUbWRq0
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5LjX4tUKSA

      Thanks Dave for bringing this topic

      V
      'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses -because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened'

      General D.Eisenhower


      http://www.nvtronics.org

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      • #4
        link for book

        [QUOTE=Turion;284573]Here is a book that this project is based on
        Electrostatic Motors: Their History, Types and Principles of Operation: Oleg Jefimenko, Thomas Valone, David K. Walker: 9781935023470: Amazon.com: Books

        Link for pdf file for book
        http://www.shamanicengineering.org/w...-Operation.pdf

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        • #5
          If anyone is interested Lasersaber has 3D printer files for making a motor of this type here:
          AtmoMotor HV Atmospheric Motor | Laser Hacker Alternative Energy
          I like Steele's idea of using hacksaw blades

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jeff Pearson View Post
            If anyone is interested Lasersaber has 3D printer files for making a motor of this type here:
            AtmoMotor HV Atmospheric Motor | Laser Hacker Alternative Energy
            I like Steele's idea of using hacksaw blades
            So do I but the biggest issue is coming up with 10k volt +++ do drive the thing.

            I was looking at several version of a boost converter. But the 4 Stage Cockroft-Walton boost look the best.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vh_kSvA-j8

            Lets come up with plan and build it for sh!ts and giggles... Anybody?
            If you need custom parts I can help.

            Matt

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            • #7
              Does anyone here have a 3D printer. If so what would you charge us to print the parts??
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMK0dEKWJdY

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Matthew Jones View Post
                So do I but the biggest issue is coming up with 10k volt +++ do drive the thing.

                I was looking at several version of a boost converter. But the 4 Stage Cockroft-Walton boost look the best.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vh_kSvA-j8

                Lets come up with plan and build it for sh!ts and giggles... Anybody?
                If you need custom parts I can help.

                Matt

                How about an oil burner transformer they usually are around 10-12 thousand volts, and maybe 1/4 amp or less. Or maybe a neon light transformer.
                Just a thought.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sawt2 View Post
                  How about an oil burner transformer they usually are around 10-12 thousand volts, and maybe 1/4 amp or less. Or maybe a neon light transformer.
                  Just a thought.
                  They would work as well but they are not readily available at a low price, but a 4 Stage Cockroft-Walton is reachable at about 20 dollars worth of parts. The motor might tack on a little more but lets see what we can do.

                  Anybody in?

                  Matt

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                  • #10
                    Hey Matt,

                    Getting 10kV is simple but getting it with smallest amount of power being "invested" is another. I was using LowGlow 9.5kV 30mA transformer and CW multiplier but transformer draws good few watts and it would be an overkill for this project. Another option is ZVS driven modified flyback transformer with or w/o CW (flyback must be w/o built in rectifier) in order to work with CW).
                    ZVS will work from less than 12V as I managed to run from just over 5VDC. This is my favourite way but I don't remember power draw of this combo. There are also inexpensive HV transformers at this site - Transformers - HV Flybacks, HF, Parts, etc.
                    They also have HV modules 12VDC -> 12kV at 80uA and 100uA They draw about 3W.

                    Cheers
                    V
                    'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses -because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened'

                    General D.Eisenhower


                    http://www.nvtronics.org

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                    • #11
                      I have a 20kv capacitor charger I bought from amazing1.....you could feed a capacitor by momentary button pushes every few seconds.

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                      • #12
                        it is a Cockroft-Walton supply run off a wall cube...you could remove a couple of stages if the voltage is too high....bypass the button....modify it any which way you want...it's just sitting in my garage...saw it a few days ago

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by OrionLightShip View Post
                          it is a Cockroft-Walton supply run off a wall cube...you could remove a couple of stages if the voltage is too high....bypass the button....modify it any which way you want...it's just sitting in my garage...saw it a few days ago
                          Thats a good thing Orion. Your building it!!! LOL

                          I'll see ya soon and I'll bring the parts.

                          Matt

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jeff Pearson View Post
                            Does anyone here have a 3D printer. If so what would you charge us to print the parts??
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMK0dEKWJdY
                            At 4:00 in the video you will see a "blade". The larger part that the little one slides into was impossible for me to print. There is a large space or bridge that would not work with PLA....maybe it works with abs or nylon...don't know. I couldn't use abs because of the fumes in the house. PLA smells like your baking cookies!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Matthew Jones View Post
                              Thats a good thing Orion. Your building it!!! LOL

                              I'll see ya soon and I'll bring the parts.

                              Matt
                              okie dokie!

                              maybe I'll show you what it feels like to get bit by the dang thing if you hold it wrong and push the button!

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