Your Basic Coil

[Bob Smith]

Maybe I'm wrong, but what keeps coming to me is that the primary coil should have a high impedance. This can be done with a core, but as Erfinder says, a core is not needed. A higher gauge wire and high number of turns should do it, I would think; shorting the coil also hugely increases its impedance, does it not?

With a high impedance primary, there should be a larger induced voltage spike from the passing magnet, and an accompanying larger CEMF response.

Any thoughts?
Bob

[gotoluc]

Okay, we can stop this now, it's gone far enough.
I must admit the reality of AUL effect is not as good as it looked in my video demo, which I purposely did to demonstrate what many are seeing in their tests and as a learning tool for those who play around with this stuff.
I know better not to use a solid steel rod, a bolt, welding rods, or even for that matter transformer laminations. Unless you want to show or demonstrate this effect just to waste power.

Core Hysteresis is what causes AUL and it comes at a cost to the prime mover.

When you use quality cores like Metglas, 90% or more of AUL goes away.
However, the phase shift you saw in the video by sliding the coil further away on the core still remains and I would suggest this is what needs to be further tested (obviously with the right cores) to see if this has any advantages.

I will post a new video demonstrating the reality of AUL when using Metglas core compared to a solid steel core.
Some of you will be surprised of how drastic the change is.

I'm sorry if this has caused some people grief or trouble. My intention is to bring awareness on the subject which has been highly debated over the years.

Stay tuned for the comparison test

Luc

[Allen Burgess]

Okay, we can stop this now, it's gone far enough.
I must admit the reality of AUL effect is not as good as it looked in my video demo, which I purposely did to demonstrate what many are seeing in their tests and as a learning tool for those who play around with this stuff.
I know better not to use a solid steel rod, a bolt, welding rods, or even for that matter transformer laminations. Unless you want to show or demonstrate this effect just to waste power.

Core Hysteresis is what causes AUL and it comes at a cost to the prime mover.

When you use quality cores like Metglas, 90% or more of AUL goes away.
However, the phase shift you saw in the video by sliding the coil further away on the core still remains and I would suggest this is what needs to be further tested (obviously with the right cores) to see if this has any advantages.




I will post a new video demonstrating the reality of AUL when using Metglas core compared to a solid steel core.
Some of you will be surprised of how drastic the change is.

I'm sorry if this has caused some people grief or trouble. My intention is to bring awareness on the subject which has been highly debated over the years.

Stay tuned for the comparison test

Luc

@Gotoluc,

Quote from you:

"Core Hysteresis is what causes AUL and it comes at a cost to the prime mover".

Here's a quick review of some basic fundamentals:

1.- "The permeability of a material changes with the amount of magnetic flux forced through it".

2.- "The specific relationship of force to flux (field intensity H to flux density B) is graphed in a form called the normal magnetization curve".

3.- "It is possible to apply so much magnetic field force to a ferromagnetic material that no more flux can be crammed into it. This condition is known as magnetic saturation".

4.- "When the retentivity of a ferromagnetic substance interferes with its re-magnetization in the opposite direction, a condition known as hysteresis occurs".

You state that 90% of the AUL goes away with the Metglas core. The Metglas B-H curve describes a proportional relationship between saturation and hysteresis; Therefore, it should be possible to control AUL with an electro-magnetic winding around the Metglas core! Increasing saturation of the Metglas core with an electro-magnetic winding should increase hysteresis and help augment AUL.

This would add negative efficiency to the system with a second power supply to the electro-magnetic core winding; However, a self powering loop from the output coil to the core winding controlled by zener and tunnel type diodes would result in a push; Because the power to dampen the core would come from the increased output from the acceleration, right?

The advantage of this control mechanism would come from the ability to bleed saturation away from the core as the additional rotor accelerated saturation appeared; Balancing the (saturation-hysteresis) level would help keep the wave reflected timing on position, and widen the acceleration window! That's the beauty of the tunnel diode!

Looping output from the pickup coil to the electro-magnetic core winding would saturate the metglas core with a synchronous A.C. current. Testing would require a synchronous A.C. input as well, not D.C. as I initially proposed which would fight the diametric rotor magnet with a static core polarity.

[barbosi]

@Luc

Dude, I think I understand your confusion. You have missed few episodes from the “Free Energy” series. Not only that but you missed all the re-runs. There were with people like Tesla, Naudin, Thane, whoopy, Steorn, and all were excited about AUL (well Tesla was actually kind of aloof).

Then Erfinder comes and tells us “Previously on Free Energy...” and makes a quick review on the old series. He also gives us a quick peek and as it turns out, AUL is not going to be part of the plot anymore. Got it? Got it? Got it I ask ya?
MAN, a new serie is about to begin. New episodes!

And now after few attempts to dry your laundry on the optic fiber cable you come and say “I'm sorry if this has caused some people grief or trouble”?

Good, have a seat and be quiet. I cannot agree with you when you say “Okay, we can stop this now, it's gone far enough.” We cannot stop now, we need more. I heard the new serie is going to be interactive.

[Allen Burgess]

Metglas core saturation.

@Gotoluc,

The simplest and most effective testing approach would be to run the A.C. coil output through an A.C. lighting rheostat into the electro-magnetic Metglas core winding to regulate the (hysteresis-saturation) level. This way, the core polarity will oscillate synchronously with the rotor magnet. The core winding would substitute for the resistor load and could be wound to matching Ohmic resistance for maximum AUL. This basic adaptation should help control and extend the acceleration window!

[blackchisel97]

Maybe I'm wrong, but what keeps coming to me is that the primary coil should have a high impedance. This can be done with a core, but as Erfinder says, a core is not needed. A higher gauge wire and high number of turns should do it, I would think; shorting the coil also hugely increases its impedance, does it not?

With a high impedance primary, there should be a larger induced voltage spike from the passing magnet, and an accompanying larger CEMF response.

Any thoughts?
Bob

Hi Bob,

By primary, you mean the prime mover coil, correct? Just want to make sure we're on the same page. Maybe bi or multifilar? I just finished testing modified coil driver circuit with very good BEMF recovery and my coil has only two windings of 2.85mH each but when connected together it measures 11.15mH. I'm filling 10uF/400V cap and discharging into various larger capacitors (1,500uF and up). When done right (right timing) it doesn't have any effect on the input or speed. There is a lot of power which can be obtained and recycled into the system from that one little coil and it is free.

Regards
V

[Bob Smith]

Hi V,
I think we're on the same page, though I'm only at the stage of conjecture on applying my findings with a high impedance coil in a different pulsed circuit. You've moved much further ahead than I and I admire your work. Thanks for sharing your findings along with the photo.

Perhaps others more knowledgeable and skilled than myself will have more comments or questions.
Bob

[gotoluc]

If anyone is interested in my second video demo, you can join me at my OU forum topic. If you're not a member just register and send me a PM and I'll have you approved faster.
I have moderator privileges there and keep my topics clean.

Study of Generator Coil Acceleration Under Load (moderated)

[blackchisel97]

erfinder,

the more time I spend looking at this, the more I hope I am beginning to understand where you are coming from. I need to get a machine in front of me that is working so I can observe the same things you are observing. That is my goal at present. It may take me a while, as I have a ton on my plate, but I will get there.

Dave

Same here. I managed to put together similar setup. Waiting for magnets and calculating what size and length of wire should I use.

V

[blackchisel97]

What would happen if we have one winding (layer) done in opposite direction to the others?

Just thinking.

V

[blackchisel97]

Jeff Wilson (Bit's-n-Bytes) built what was dubbed "the Wilson coil", it fits the description of coil in your question. Jeff was giving out signed copies (LOL) of schematics of his two cap pulser design at the 2010 conference. Maybe someone here has a copy they can upload for you. I have not been able to locate it here on the forum.

The reason why I post this is because we don't appreciate each other. Many questions which are being asked here and else where have already been answered. Many concepts being revisited, have already been beat to death. I mean no one any disrespect, if my responses come over harsh, the same old same old is taking its toll.

That's a really nice and clean model.

Regards

Yes, that's the one I had in mind. I have built Jeff's TVA and also have his "Pulsinator" device. I have circuits diagrams copies as I kept and archived most relevant posts from Tesla Switch thread. I thought it may be useful. Wrong guess.

One question; when you have mentioned proper geometry, is it about angular offset balancing in order to reduce cogging or something totally different?

Thanks
V

[Allen Burgess]

Moderated thread.

If anyone is interested in my second video demo, you can join me at my OU forum topic. If you're not a member just register and send me a PM and I'll have you approved faster.
I have moderator privileges there and keep my topics clean.

Study of Generator Coil Acceleration Under Load (moderated)

Gotoluc's inviting everyone to join him on his Overunity thread where he has the power to personally delete your comments if he sees fit. He's no longer interested in commenting about the topic on the Energetic forum because he can't act like a Nazi dictator over here.

I was severly sanctioned off Gotoluc's "Moderated OU Thread" and can't even comment on any of the numerous, broadly audienced threads I initiated over the years due to his excessively strict standards! Luc recruited Citfta for first sergeant, and all she's done at OU is chronically defecate on the Energetic forum.

[RAMSET]

Apology's

Perhaps I should have minded my own business ....maybe not.
I read Daves invitation for investigation [his first post]
and knowing what a rabbit hole this can be ,I reached out for Dave and Luc and figured there could be some ground covered so as to make bench time more effective.

we talked about establishing a data base for the community with actual experiments so real experimenters could observe claims of others ...?
and try new things or ??
is this a pipe dream ?
Nah we'll get it done in some fashion even if its just privately or in moderated venues where the noise can be kept down.

I know that Luc likes to type just about as much as he likes having his fingernails pulled out ...very tedious for some of us.

@Erfinder

You are a very brite man , most don't understand a method for making advancements which requires no starting point or benchmark ,I have to admit to being one of them.
and I must add when you speak of the phase flip at a certain point in the cycle ,a very big part of me wants to see this and tune to it...
but tuning or adjusting requires a method for measurement.....?[yes maybe a smarty pants comment but you can see a line needs to be drawn for better understanding ?]

well we are trying to do something here , for clarity it is work together to advance understanding since I also really don't type well it is probably getting lost in "intent"

we are trying to Help the few that actually build do a better job and be more effective at finding or honing an effect ?

yes Barbosi I know its a good show from the chair ....the idea is to make it a good show for the planet.


some really great fellows in these forums .
thanks to all that try to help.
and Allen
the latest movie from Luc is along the lines of trying to teach and save time and resources for the community as a whole ...

nothing to do with "Nancy's" but everything to do with respect , gratitude and understanding ...
where to focus our efforts and where "not so much".



with all respect and good intent

Chet

[Allen Burgess]

Luc's video.

Quote from Ramset:

Allen,

"The latest movie from Luc is along the lines of trying to teach and save time and resources for the community as a whole" ...

I couldn't bear to watch the video in it's entirety because it's too long and disinteresting, even though I'm keenly interested in the subject area! Saving more time that way would result in mass coma.

[RAMSET]

Allen
Observations are made and benchmarks established ,then perhaps a summary
Can be made so as to be of value to future researchers.(the time saving thing)

Luc has spent countless hours experimenting in this area
He Personally wound miles of wire onto all manner of cores at Ottawa university for Thane
Researching many different areas.

To be clear the experiments may seem old news to some however they are good for those unaware
Of what to expect on the bench , which is useful when hunting anomalies.

I personally value his contribution , and am quite currious to see his experiments
(As well as investigations of other paths being mentioned here.

Its all good

Respectfully
Chet