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  • The reason for the 36 strand coil is simple. You should know exactly the length if each strand if they are the same. Put all 36 strands in series. Will the motor speed up under load? Probably. Now put 18 strands in series and a second group of 18 strands in series. Will the motor speed up under load? If it DOES, put 12 strands in series and then two more groups of 12 strands in series. Will the motor speed up under load? If it DOES, put 9 strands in series, and three more groups of 9 strands. Will it speed up still? If so, put 6 strands in series. Then five more groups of six. If it speeds up, try 3 strands. If it speeds up, try 2. At SOME point it will NOT speed up under load. This gives you the minimum number of strands of the length you are using to achieve what you want. Or start with two strands and work your way UP instead of down. Once you know the minimum number of strands, you can figure out the combination that will give you what you want. As many strands as possible in parallel gives you lower voltage but more amps. Adding to the LENGTH of a working minimum gives you more voltage but lower amps.

    if I have a100 strand coil and all the strands are in series so it speeds up under load, my voltage output will be high, but my amperage output so LOW that it won’t run anything, and the voltage will probably be too high to run anything anyway. Understanding how to control the output of your coil is the only way to get its output in a range where it can be manipulated EASILY to run the motor that is turning the generator.

    As for my house remodel. I am shooting a video today to show my sons the progress and what still has to be done. I will post the YouTube link here and you can watch it if you are interested.
    Last edited by Turion; 04-23-2020, 03:57 PM.
    “Advances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers.”
    —Bernhard Haisch, Astrophysicist

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    • Hello Mr. Dave
      It is nice to hear from you, and the progress and achievements with your generator, the new challenges you are facing.

      Good blessings for your driver to recover and continue supporting you.

      All your recommendations illustrate the great progress you have made with your project. And that they also help us, it saves us a lot of research work since you have achieved it, and they also guide us to make a replica of your project.

      In one of his statements he also commented this:
      motor-generators / page30 # 449
      12-22-2019, 02:18 PM

      The second, and the MOST IMPORTANT CHANGE is the coil. My original coil had three 1000 ft. Wires. They would accelerate under load at 2800 RPM. At RPM LESS than that, they act like regular coils. When I went to 6 wires each 500 feet long, with two connected in series, I saw the required RPM drop. When I went to the 12-wire coil, it dropped to 1140 or POSSIBLY LESS. The engine my driver is currently using runs on its 1140 RPM batteries and is accelerating under load. We have not tested it at low revs.

      I have built the 12-wire coil, connect them in 4-wire series, 3 in parallel. By your comment you should accelerate to 1140 rpm, it means you can accelerate to that speed and 2800 rpm.

      I am awaiting speed control for testing.

      What he says about the repulsor magnet to eliminate the magnetic drag nucleo-magnet, if in fact I also tried smaller magnets and could not be repulsed.

      The repulsor magnet also helps to give an inertia to the spin of the extra rotor, a magnetic stop (NN) is also given when returning to meet the other magnet, the inertia and the attraction of the coil core with its magnet make that stop magnetic is overcome, and thus the repulsion (NN) occurs with an extra inertia to the rotation of the rotor.

      So it is required to give an adjustment between the suppressor magnets, just in the repulsion attraction between magnets, that adjusts to the attraction of the coil core and the generator magnet.

      This aspect of the magnetic drag suppressor magnet is very important as Mr. Dave has commented, it helps us lower the motor's current draw, and much more the more coils we connect to the generator. I remember how he comments when he burned several motors when he did not have the magnetic suppression of the drag, and brilliantly found a solution with the guide of the patent that mentions.
      Thank you for your contributions.

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      • Speeding up under load at 2800 RPM or less is NOT just dependent on number of strands on the coil and how many you put in series. The other variables are the length of the strands, the size of the wire, the number of magnets on your rotor as well as the STRENGTH of those magnets. Also the distance between the rotor magnet and the coils. Unless all these things are exactly the same as my machine, your results will be different.
        “Advances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers.”
        —Bernhard Haisch, Astrophysicist

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        • Originally posted by Turion View Post
          Speeding up under load ............... Unless all these things are exactly the same as my machine, your results will be different.
          Originally posted by alexelectric View Post

          What he says about the repulsor magnet to eliminate the magnetic drag nucleo-magnet, if in fact I also tried smaller magnets and could not be repulsed.

          Thank you for your contributions.
          This is where I needed to experiment. Repulsion magnets the SAME size as rotor magnets might be weaker than the attraction side. USE SHIELDING. This will give you a way to ADJUST. It just depends. If you have 20 magnets on your rotor you will definitely need shielding. Of course smaller diameter magnets that are LONGER with shielding control could work also. EXPERIMENT. The goal is to balance out the forces to ZERO COG.

          No cogging= lower drive amps.

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          • Strongly agree with using the tip on the magnets to eliminate the magnetic lateral stop and take advantage of the repulsion from center to center of the magnet,
            Can the toast be the nu metal?

            With bigger magnets I achieved the repulsion, and to reduce the magnetic drag, that I could move the generator shaft by hand, without the suppressor magnet I could not move it
            Last edited by alexelectric; 04-24-2020, 03:18 AM.

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            • Originally posted by Turion View Post
              Speeding up under load at 2800 RPM or less is NOT just dependent on number of strands on the coil and how many you put in series. The other variables are the length of the strands, the size of the wire, the number of magnets on your rotor as well as the STRENGTH of those magnets. Also the distance between the rotor magnet and the coils. Unless all these things are exactly the same as my machine, your results will be different.



              Thank you Mr. Dave, yes, according to you, of course the results will be different, but within certain conditions the effect of repulsion must be taken as well as the construction of the coils, and also the magnets, dimensions, etc. .

              I built a coil with two strands of 19 wire, with the dimensions I used in the bedini motors, I put thicker wire on it, I turned each row more or less it was 328 feet.

              The two-wire series connection of the coil allowed me to have 130 volts, at about 2840 rpm, I fed an incandescent bulb, which consumed 0.55 amps. This consumption is the same that it gives me, if I connect it to the electrical network, the brightness was intense as its normal use, as well as its nominal operating consumption.

              The coil accelerates when I put it under short circuit, but I could not find the acceleration speed under load, I hope I already have the speed control to be able to do more tests and find its acceleration under load.

              I know that having fewer wires and their length, the capacitance is less, we will see what data the tests provide me.

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              • Years of research went into this generator, but it wasn't the ONLY path I was moving along. Several of those paths are parallel, but all of them had stumbling blocks in the way. Just for a moment, I will discuss another, VERY SIMILAR path towards building an efficient generator.
                First... how is electricity generated in the coil? A changing magnetic field causes the electricity, In the case of my generator, magnets on the spinning rotor affect the iron core of the coil, producing a change in magnetic flux in the core material, which causes the wires to generate. So why not just wrap the coil around a magnet? You would have flux, correct? Just no CHANGE in flux. you could move the magnets in and out from each other, but the cost of moving the magnets in and out would be too great compared to what you would produce. How about two coils wrapped on magnets that are secured in very close proximity to each other, so that they are affecting each other's magnetic field. Unless there is a disruption, you get no generation. So you spin an iron disk with slots in it that lets the magnetic core of one coil 'see" the magnetic core of the other coil at different points in rotation. That will do it. But it takes some energy to get that rotor up to speed and of course, DRAG to deal with. What polarity of the magnet would YOU put facing the rotor on each side? This is ONE way of changing flux. Another way is to coat sections of a PLASTIC rotor with a layer of something like Terfenol D powder mixed with epoxy, thick enough to disrupt the magnetic relationship between the two cores, causing the magnets in the cores to "see" each other sometimes, but be blocked at other times so the fields fluctuate. Terfenol D powder is expensive, but so are all the rotor magnets and opposition magnets required for my generator build. I haven't tried this particular magnetorestrictive powder myself, but Bob French has some on order and will be doing this EXACT experiment. I HAVE tried other variations of this idea using OTHER, less effective magnetorestrictive powders with limited success, so I look forward to Bob's experiment. There are MORE than one way to skin this cat.
                “Advances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers.”
                —Bernhard Haisch, Astrophysicist

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                • Coil mounted, worked all night to get it. Beauty like. Still finishing tweaks on the rotor magnets, holders, then spacing. Next is the safety cover. I measured the gap, it is 63-65 thousandths. Or say 1/16th inch. It's gonna be epic. It is fun having a pandemic, so I can get it done fast.

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                  • Bro,
                    You asked about home remodel process and I said I would share the video I made for my boys. Haven’t even sent THEM the link yet. I have been too busy But here it is if you are interested.
                    https://youtu.be/HFLJqBEunJ8
                    “Advances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers.”
                    —Bernhard Haisch, Astrophysicist

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                    • Originally posted by Turion View Post
                      Bro,
                      You asked about home remodel process and I said I would share the video I made for my boys. Haven’t even sent THEM the link yet. I have been too busy But here it is if you are interested.
                      https://youtu.be/HFLJqBEunJ8
                      Okay got it, BRB with a comment

                      Alright I'm back. Gino's Pizza dude you said you had a little remodeling to do on a house but what is really happening is you have a house that someone had before you without a brain in their heads so they made an attempt at building it. My God pipes hanging everywhere, rocks falling OUT of the walls, house drowning at the foundation due to landscape, couldn't get any worse unless if you had a gas explosion or fire. That place was a total Zhit on job by the fool before you got it.

                      Anyway what you are doing shows class. You are an amazing person to have come up with so many replacement, rebuilds, reconstructs, redo's and more. Deck good and walls are done right the way you have it going in.

                      Did you ever track down the drywall monster roaming around your property?
                      Last edited by BroMikey; 04-25-2020, 10:36 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by Turion View Post
                        Bro,
                        You asked about home remodel process and I said I would share the video I made for my boys. Haven’t even sent THEM the link yet. I have been too busy But here it is if you are interested.
                        https://youtu.be/HFLJqBEunJ8
                        Final rotor tweaks. Me progress

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                        • Okay here is what happened tonight. Took it away from the the house finished installing the rotor magnets so all that is left is a guard for now. No opposing magnets, no coil connections for generating any power. Fired it up and took some readings of the free wheeling rotor as follows. 55 vac at 750ma was required vs the approx 32vac at 450ma without the core in place. Right off the bat we have a considerable increase of drive input energy. Actually even the rpm is a tiny bit slower than 1700rpm. The only way I could get it all the way up to full speed was to give it a little bit more juice but the difference is negligible.

                          I was able to dial the volts down to 30vac at 450ma like before with a core but the rpm was way slower around 1200rpm(guessing) and the coil put out 250vac so I powered up a 100 watt equivalent LED bulb and away she went at the 12-14th strand as it should have. The bulb is just a tad big but I'll find Jordan a smaller one.

                          Upon shorting the entire coil the rpm's increase wildly. I shorted the coil in almost every connection and the rpm went up and the amp draw dropped just as expected. Thus far the most fun I had was watching the bulb light up at the 10-12th strand with no change in speed. This means I can make more connections, around 3 separate channels. Also I should add that at less than 1000 rpms the coil still generates and speeds up under the loaded condition with less than 50 strands. What I am learning is just how slow the multifilar coils can reduce the speed. This is important to me for Jordan's sake. This is a teaching aid and I want to be able to turn him loose with it without concerns.

                          Even with the giant bulb running on 25% of the winding I got 100ma at 52vac doing a last minute run. I am not sure on the 100ma come to think of it as a ran out of time and should have clamped it to see.

                          It is a bunch of fun to get success. I think that bulb needs 16-18watts to get full bright but that is not the point.

                          Had i down to a crawl around 6-700rpm and it still sped up under load of course at theses speeds the output is dramatically lower. This is what I expected so very exciting indeed. When the protective cover is done Jordan will begins recording his data and we will let you see. BTW the max volts out at full speed is 282vac
                          Last edited by BroMikey; 04-26-2020, 10:57 AM.

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                            • shield almost done thx to social distancing

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                              • regards BroMikey

                                To remember I am going to mention some already known variables that appear in the generation of energy.
                                how many adjustments do any project require, in any generator if the speed decreases, less induction goes, if you reduce the magnets, less induction, you reduce the rpm rpm the induction is reduced, in the coil it depends on the wires, the size and length of the wire, then we move to the air or metal core, among some others.

                                Then if you make multiple thread coils, you already have another set of combinations.

                                How many variables do you have to operate and see what is best and what you want.
                                Thank you for showing us your project BroMikey , we remain attentive to your progress

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