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  • Winding machine refinements. HDPE bushing and mini washers
    for shimming. Two type of spools are shown. The large case of
    200 spools was only $20 some dollars TO THE DOOR. That is what
    I call a deal.

    The small spools worked and I got 40 of them for really really fine wire.

    Deburirng and polishing of spools for 24 spools was done today, this
    stuff takes time. An additional 24 disks were cut and some got thru
    the finishing process and some not.

    I made a pipe inside a pipe washer cutting device for the HDPE rings
    shown in the picture. The two pipes can be used together or separately
    where you strike the end putting the soft material against paneling.

    Finding hdpe washers is hard and the price plus wait time caused me to
    make my own in an hour.

    I still have a batch of shaft collars to order plus washers as the end is
    in sight to be set up to wind coils. Never done it and getting time to
    put your mind to the job can be pressing for a beginner.

    The heavy duty spools are twice the weight of the tiny ones at
    3.120' X -3/4". Three forms of washering create excellent stability
    as well as having a free turning yet a tension adjustable format.

    These larger spools will allow me to hold up to 150feet of 22awg wire,
    my educated guess. This way i won't have to go thru this all over again
    every time I change AWG (Wire size) and since Turion said he was
    doing some winding this week using a 23awg wire I felt like I should be
    about right with this tooling.

    Each empty spool weights 14 grams and full 75 grams, so 60 grams
    of copper wire or 2-1/8 OZ multiplied by 24 strands =

    60g X 24 = 1440 grams per finished coil on a "C" core of laminated iron.

    28 grams per oz so 1440 divided by 28 = +51 OZ or divide 16 =

    51oz / 16 = 3.2 pounds of copper on core material. One reason coils
    must be long is to produce a delay at low RPM's requires it. Back yard
    inventors do not have all of the latest CNC equipment capable of
    running 10,000 rpm's not to mention the engineering to keep a magnet
    in the rotor at those speeds.

    I will be happy to get results during this first try at 1000-1500 RPM's
    this way no special bearings or super balancing, out of my realm of
    not only finances but ability to tool up is needed.




























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    Last edited by BroMikey; 07-30-2017, 07:11 AM.

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    • Winding table extensions.

      Today I am setting up my winder better and wanted to share my
      trampoline pipe design.



      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBuw4v3Kzxc


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      • Multifilar winder table update finished

        What an awesome day it was, I work outside and the temp was mild.

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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTPvCC5V7XY

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        • WINDER CONTROLS

          A video to show my winder process controls. It takes time and
          money to build machinery, you can't just wake up one day and say
          today I am going to do experimental research without tools.

          However many have ordered their coil built by a job shop, either
          way it has to be done in order to proceed. I like my way best
          because now I can wind my own coils without waiting weeks of
          delay and thousands of dollars for setup.



          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Fa140DeLA

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          • Hey that is an idea, thanks Dave

            I will make a new video soon to show you my new system, come what
            may. Got try something, right? But once it is done, look out here come
            the coils.

            I have been finding out what you have explained the hard way. One spool
            drags the other forward no matter how hard I tried, like making sure
            plenty of washers were in between? Or who knows what I thought, right

            Anyway it took me all of about 10 minutes to figure that one out when my
            wire balled up and spit out a wad some big it looked like spaghetti dinner.

            Easy come easy go. This why I had been using that second hand
            rewound wire knowing anomalies would occur. Before long I had ordered
            collars to put in between each spool that have a thin series of metal and
            HDPE.

            It really works good now. I didn't like the spacing so I went to these.

            These are rubber grommets instead that require a slight amount of force
            to install. Shaft size .0375 or 9.5mm then the grommet is 8mm or 5/16.

            It is much better for spacing. Gonna show ya soon and the serious
            pal's who will come behind me and surpass.


            This rubber grommet is not the exact dimension but you get the idea.

            The metal is to wide to suit me so my grommets are half as thick.

            My collars are 1/2" wide with set screw and my grommets are 6mm wide.








            Last edited by BroMikey; 08-13-2017, 07:04 PM.

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            • A simple solution I found if only winding two wires is to put the spools on the rod with the wire coming off opposite of each other. In other words one spool has the wire coming off the top and the other spool has the wire coming off the bottom. This causes the two spools to rotate in opposite directions and with them touching they each cause the other to keep tension on each other. I haven't tried that with more than two spools but I think it would work with more than two as long as each one turns the opposite direction of the ones next to it.

              I use the same wheel measuring device to measure my wire except I mounted some small clear plastic tubing on the board supporting the wheel to guide the wires onto and off of the wheel.

              Carroll
              Just because someone disagrees with you does NOT make them your enemy. We can disagree without attacking someone.

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              • Lots of good stuff there guys thanks I will think about this.

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                • You are correcting my inaccurate thinking, this is important. I jumped
                  to conclusions from your winding setup, since it did not show room
                  for 24 -60 spools I assumed you no longer needed that many. But
                  after your clarification about how you need +3 volts for charging
                  batteries I see now why that you need your coils to be adjustable.

                  But the biggest mystery (I am sure agree) is that the coils MUST be
                  series connected to work. In other words like Tesla pointed out there
                  must be this bifilar, trifilar, quadfilar, and so on for our coils to properly
                  operate.

                  Even with years of refinements Thane still uses a bifilar coil in his demo's.

                  Others who use a single wire on youtube show that speeding up under
                  load is possible but none of them have any serious inventions and probably
                  are just beginners with a ball of wire.


                  Originally posted by Turion
                  I am using # 23 AWG wire and have pretty much settled on 24 strands. I can fit right at 3,000 feet of # 23
                  ............... those are just guidelines.

                  But you MUST have series connections for these coils to work.

                  Waiting for parts. They will be here in three days.

                  ............ six magnets on the rotor and 12 coils.

                  I have a second machine that has five pairs of coils and six magnets






                  Putting Two and Two Together

                  ........ recommending coils have 2400-3000 feet
                  of wire on them and so using 6 large spools in your video I realized you
                  are using 400-600 feet per strand.

                  Last edited by BroMikey; 08-14-2017, 07:53 PM.

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                  • You are correcting my inaccurate thinking, this is important. I jumped
                    to conclusions from your winding setup, since it did not show room
                    for 24 -60 spools I assumed you no longer needed that many. But
                    after your clarification about how you need +3 volts for charging
                    batteries I see now why that you need your coils to be adjustable.

                    But the biggest mystery (I am sure agree) is that the coils MUST be
                    series connected to work. In other words like Tesla pointed out there
                    must be this bifilar, trifilar, quadfilar, and so on for our coils to properly
                    operate.

                    Even with years of refinements Thane still uses a bifilar coil in his demo's.

                    Others who use a single wire on youtube show that speeding up under
                    load is possible but none of them have any serious inventions and probably
                    are just beginners with a ball of wire.


                    Originally posted by Turion
                    I am using # 23 AWG wire and have pretty much settled on 24 strands. I can fit right at 3,000 feet of # 23
                    ............... those are just guidelines.

                    But you MUST have series connections for these coils to work.

                    Waiting for parts. They will be here in three days.

                    ............ six magnets on the rotor and 12 coils.

                    I have a second machine that has five pairs of coils and six magnets

                    Putting Two and Two Together

                    ........ recommending coils have 2400-3000 feet
                    of wire on them and so using 6 large spools in your video I realized you
                    are using 400-600 feet per strand.

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                    • Hi all, just a quick thought.
                      I wonder if a single strand would be equivalent to multistrands in tesla style, if after each layer is done, we run the wire across the top, back to the beginning again and keep winding and repeat that process.
                      peace love light

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                      • Originally posted by Turion
                        I use 24 strands, that is only 125 feet per
                        strand, not 300-400 per strand.

                        ..............THREE strands of # 23, 800-1000 feet long and those
                        coils would speed up under load above 2800 RPM.

                        I have lots of smaller coils With no strands in series that also sped
                        up under load at SPECIFIC RPM's.

                        But what I have learned is that if you wind in parallel and have AT LEAST
                        one series connection for each strand, you don't have to work nearly
                        as hard to get your coils to speed up under load.

                        Yes i remember your past posts "OPTIONS" options meaning a way to
                        adjust the voltage but most of all the 2 stage coil winding process had
                        to be a given.

                        Speeding up under a load at one frequency or at one RPM is not as
                        good as coils that will be able to run speeding up under load for
                        many many RPM's.

                        What people don't think about til they get there is that when you
                        load your device this alters the RPM and depending on the voltage
                        you may need to raise or lower by adding or taking away 1 strand.

                        It makes sense. Also to answer SKY you mentioned how coils using
                        the series connection pattern more easily speed up under load. To me
                        this has many implications such as we have heard about a coils self
                        capacitance or ability to store more voltage as we are dealing with a
                        delay.

                        Also not storing voltage with the long lengths but the bifilar coil might
                        also do some emf cancelling within it's own field being wound this way.

                        As we have heard before 2 short wires wound to form a bifilar do not
                        respond exactly the same way as 1 single wire of a comparable length.

                        The bifilar has value.

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                        • What I like about this video is that the magnets are practically a mile
                          away from the coil poles which proves a lot of points. Or i think it does.

                          The motor in the middle has a rotor with magnets and 3 coils on bolts.

                          Being so far from the coil poles has little or nearly no drag on the system
                          yet when he engages those great big coils it speeds up a bunch. Naturally
                          the amount of speed up will depend on how much excess energy is being
                          sent to the motor but in this case he is using an ESC controller to tune it
                          so I think maybe this is a good example of coils with high impedance
                          assisting the rotor.

                          I don't know, it just seems like a good example to me. Most other demo
                          do not impress me much. Thane also used a wide gap between magnets
                          and poles in his beginning demo's. The is something to that.

                          Closing the gap comes later.




                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCFak6CYzIQ

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                          • Originally posted by Turion
                            How much flux from a passing magnet can a
                            coil accept? It should have a limit should it not? So slowly move the
                            coil away from the rotor until the output is affected.

                            That's it Dave I agree. I have been trying to wrap my mind around this
                            thought as well. As I move my coil away and then in closer it gains in
                            voltage. This is not a load test only static. This is as far as I am.

                            Saturation is the word I am thinking about. According to small amount of
                            information floating around saturation of magnetic fields in coils has some
                            negative effects in this process and is why Permalloy core material are
                            advocated in some experimentation.

                            It is be perception that there is a tipping point that is reached very
                            quickly with the use of iron cores where Permalloy widens this range
                            of cutoff. It could be that by increasing this area of of variation,
                            saturation VS non-saturation that the builder will find a great
                            window of opportunity for harvesting energy without the process
                            collapsing during operation.

                            For some reason I think saturation is a word for discussion and all those
                            other words like hysteresis and the like are foreign to me. I remember
                            them but don't use them enough. Also tinned wire will help as well as
                            winding coils uniformly.

                            For me the fun begins. Spacing layers during coil winding with clothe.

                            So many questions to be answered. I have a bunch of Bedini spools I
                            want to put up to this rotor with a "C" pattern. I will post data.

                            It is good for me to have someone lead and voice (put into words) the
                            thoughts that across many of our experimental minds.

                            When a very large magnet stays in front of a small coil saturation will
                            occur so this teaches us something. The object of all of our experiments
                            are to keep fields pulsing and so the question is how much?

                            How much on time and how much off time. Some say 1% on time and
                            others say 90% on time for a wide range of pulsing experiments. I don't
                            think that saturation is good for this. I can't talk very well in terms
                            of book smarts, I go by what it feels like. I mean I can sound book
                            smart don't get me wrong, I just think much of what we parrot is
                            showboat empty words.

                            My friend John Bedini taught me that copying the answered got me
                            to pass but didn't give me the right answers. God Bless you John

                            I really love that guy. Especially when he went ballistic on the crowd of
                            numb chucks.

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                            • Hi all, couple interesting videos.
                              peace love light

                              https://youtu.be/4p9feKmnPNU

                              https://youtu.be/GzowSsDaGvE

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                              • Originally posted by SkyWatcher View Post
                                Hi all, couple interesting videos.
                                peace love light

                                https://youtu.be/4p9feKmnPNU

                                https://youtu.be/GzowSsDaGvE
                                I know what the title says Sky but these video's are inconclusive as
                                far as I can tell. Do you understand if Pat is getting more out than in?

                                Pat puts me to sleep with his gentle low tone and I can never get a
                                straight answer from him in text form either, or anyone else. Pat is a nice
                                guy who is unsure of what he has or has not got.

                                Then he will see this post and instead of speaking out where we can
                                understand his boast, he plays the victim card and disappears back onto
                                youtube with more question mark video's.

                                Pat will not speak to me because he knows I won't pet him. Do I pet
                                anyone? No and if I don't like what you say I tell you, don't I Sky? We
                                have had our differences Sky but it has never damaged our relationship
                                as fellow experimenters.

                                I would like for Pat's video demo to prove something but he never tries
                                to prove anything as far as I can tell. It has been years and years of
                                Pat's video's and the only thing I can see changing is that his daughters
                                Piano playing has improved dramatically.

                                Pat parades a hero victim chip on his shoulders that makes it impossible
                                to interact with. He looks down from above in his condescending small
                                world of isolation where he talks and you listen, don't nobody ask
                                no questions because THAT is considered a declared war against his
                                findings.

                                It is a shame that Pat will not humble himself. I hit him a few times and
                                he went into military mode to stay. He is growing up now, who knows
                                what the future holds.

                                I just can't get a straight answer out of the guy and he will do a few
                                video's and then come back and rebut stating in no way are these free
                                energy experiments.

                                He is afraid.

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