Splitting The Positive

[BroMikey]

I am not ready to move to the use of cores
other than iron in my cores just yet, but those of you who are giving
this a try, I look forward to your insights.

My machine still has much to teach me about magnetic drag and
physical construction, and I believe I may have to try several more
rotors before I have learned all it has to share. I have made many
changes that reduce the amp draw of the motor, and getting it to
do the most for the least is my continuing goal.

Hi Dave

I am not as advanced as you are so i do look foreword to your results
as well as others. You have not experimented with ferrite, you have not
tried the 2g hts magnet wire and this is understandable since both run
the price up considerably for another black box to build.

Since I am green my only thing to try is ferrite after I do more iron
ones, then I'll keep the components as a point to refer back to, when
an improvement is discovered.

The only other thoughts that occurred to me were these:

Shielding around the magnets so flux does not reach over to the
next magnet.

How much surface area of magnet to pole facing will work best for
a wide variety of Neo strengths.

Can I control the shape of the wave produced by mechanically arranging
pole size to available magnetic flux?

Thane has shown that the size of the coil can be reduced by using
2g hts wire as both his core material and wire are considered
"SUPER CONDUCTING PARAMAGNETIC"

I don't know what else to try.




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[BroMikey]

BroMikey's Coil Winder LIMITER BOX

Progress report update, the picture is a gear motor but is much
smaller than mine. And that motor sounds like the end of the world when
it is running, mine can barely be heard.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0T2JR2k6Q8

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[BroMikey]

Hi all, i finished building and mounting the motor and neo magnet rotor.
It has four 1" diameter by 1/8" thick neo magnets.
High density fiberboard for rotor disc and many wraps of fiber tape for safety.
Brushless motor from electric rc airplanes, i can use the 12 volt computer power supply for steady input.
And with the speed control, i can raise the rpm if needed, to reach any lenz delay zones for any given coil tested.
Here is video of it running, next step is making and mounting some coils to test.
Forgot to mention, the magnets are north-south-north-south

https://youtu.be/LmbiSoz0hzg

peace love light

John Bedini told us a secret

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtGz4QHJ0e4


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[boguslaw]

John Bedini told us a secret

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtGz4QHJ0e4


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Seems close to what I believe,but it's difficult to understand all John words. I think that the ambient medium is Earth magnetic field, the difference of potential is because of the distance from the ground - the center of magnetic field pole. The radiant energy is spike or kick generated in Earth field, disconnected from the circuit alone...

[BroMikey]

Seems close to what I believe,but it's difficult
to understand all John words. I think that the ambient medium is Earth
magnetic field, the difference of potential is because of the distance
from the ground - the center of magnetic field pole. The radiant energy
is spike or kick generated in Earth field, disconnected from the
circuit alone...

Honestly I did not understand everything in the video either. So much
seems to be hidden but as you watch John's energy from the vac video's
of the past a few times you get an idea of the way he talks eventually.

The earth grounds are not talked about, mostly just how to pump
energy around from 1 battery pack to another so learning of other
forms of splitting the positive helps us all to go further.

Basically what John had hit on many times was a build that would
pulse both the run battery and charge battery and not go down in
voltage, while other builds did not.

He always talked about going bigger like his larger wheels 16 foot high.

All of his work centered around SPLITTING THE POSITIVE and all of the
SSG's did just that.

[BroMikey]

Hello Bromikey
Don't want to get of track on this thread so I sent you a private message.Thanks gsm

Okay I answered you on M. Belanger, he usually answers very few
people and if he does he talks about little fluffy experiments avoiding
his claims of free energy for all stating that he feels that the world is
just not ready for it.

Same ole bullzhit story inventors everywhere feed stock to the public.
Then when they are 70 yrs they can't figure out why know one cares
anymore.

We will work together or it won't get done. It's mine it's all mine?
Don't try to figure out MY invention? It's a secret? It's mine, you
don't deserve it? And on and on we go and in a few short years
they vanish the way of all flesh and no one knows what they knew.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, thanks mike, for sharing the john b. video link about the altitude of a coil and the collapsing voltage being related to that, that is interesting.
I have started testing coils with the setup i built.
Had an air coil already made with 24 awg. magnet wire, 3 strands wound on one of those 3 pack magnet wire white plastic spools from radio shack.
I wired the strands in series, 4.8 ohms total and did not get acceleration when shorted.
Though i am not ramping up the rpm too high, as i'm being cautious.
Wired in parallel was the same.
Then tried another air coil on same diameter plastic spool, just longer with 7 strands of 24awg. magnet wire, 11.4 ohms series resistance.
With the 7 strand coil, it still slows down when shorted, though i notice at faster speeds, it does not slow down as much as the 3 strand air coil at the same faster speed.
I have a large spool of 30awg. magnet wire, i think i will try that gauge wire next.
peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, tried a 30awg. air coil, wound on the same type of white plastic RS spool.
Total resistance is 44.8 ohms.
I did not use ludicrous speeds or anything, though the rpm's are fast, did not observe any speed up.
I tried the coil turned 90 degrees, like the zero force motor coil orientation.
It did not slow down the rotor anywhere near as much, though not sure as much power is created that way.
For another quick test, i placed one of my plain (no coil) ferrite tube cores next to the magnet rotor and it did not slow down the rotor at all.
I use amp meter and my ear for now, to discern any speed up or slow down of rotor.
Hmm, will have to research some more and think about what to try next.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

Good questions, not many people trust each other. I trust you Dave,
I trust Matt but that does not change the way people are. Most
people are lazy and don't trust what others say and this is their easy
out, you want to know why?

Because they don't want to believe it, so they don't try either. Then
guys like Gerard Morin and M. Belanger go about saying they have it
and most people like their delivery rather than yours.

I agree ingratitude is the worst, people are not thankful for all of the
good things given to them. They instead second guess and question the
giver til they are unsure of who to look to for leadership.

What a hidden treasure this is turning out to be. I have collected up the
post #400 and the answers you gave, I am looking at it again.

Love to see you cranked up dude, that's awesome.

There HAVE been people on this forum who
have given away the secrets of free energy, but unfortunately, the
people who were given those secrets didn't listen.

How many people listened closely enough to John B to build machines
that could charge all their batteries and eliminate the need for
solar panels?

How many people took what was shared about running loads between
the positives (3 Battery System) to eliminate the need for those
same solar panels?
And IMPROVED its performance with a boost module that Matt Jones
showed us how to use?

How many people built the Benitez device when Matt Jones walked us
step by step through the process?

How many people built Matt's motor which runs AMAZINGLY well between
the positives?

How many people have built and are using a Zero Force motor, which
I believe is the greatest gift John B gave us because it runs on VOLTAGE
and almost NO amps. Voltage which these kinds of coil collapses we
have shown how to create on these threads produce in ABUNDANCE.

How many people have looked at Tesla's patent on how to wind coils
that speed up under load and the info he shared about how to get ANY
coil to speed up under load? The patent # was given out on THIS forum.

Just the other day, in post # 400 a picture of a coil and rotor
arrangement was shown that "claimed" to cancel out magnetic cogging.
While it did NOT, I immediately posted how it COULD be made to work
not only as a generator but as a motor at the same time, and by using
it as a MOTOR, you eliminate the ONE sticky point of cogging of the
generator function. Add to that machines the coils that speed up under
load, and firing the motor from capacitors charged by the generator
coils THROUGH the motor coil "between the positives" and you
ABSOLUTELY have a working free energy device that is only limited
by your budget to build more and bigger coils and buy more and
bigger magnets.
How many people jumped all over that?

It has ALL been given away here. ALL of it. But how many people
have working systems sitting on their bench? I cannot feel sorry
for ANYONE who does not. Not after investing so much time and
money into building these things and sharing so much I could
have kept to myself.

All the information YOU need to build a working free energy device
is contained in THIS post. Have I given you a working schematic?
No I have not. But I have pointed you to the places you can go to
get the information you need. If you choose NOT to do the work
and the research required, then you have exactly what you deserve.
Those of you who are looking for a free lunch are not going to get
it from me. But I will tell you I have privately reached out to many
people who are building. Not just talking, but actually building, and
given them what help I can.

The arrangement shown in post # 400 WILL work as a free energy
generator IF you do as I suggested. There are only TWO things that
prevent us from running electric generators with electric motors.
Number one is the drag caused by coils under load, and we have
shown how to eliminate that with Tesla's coil design. Number two is
the magnetic drag of the rotor magnets past the coil cores, and thie

arrangement in post # 400 eliminates that in all but ONE coil at a time,
and that is the coil you fire as the motor coil. I pointed this all out
DAYS ago, but nobody paid any attention. Everybody is looking for
everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.

Good luck with that.

If you run the "motor" between the positives" of a coil output and
batteries, you recover almost ALL of the energy expended to run the
system and the COP goes through the roof. If you cannot see this,
then I am wasting my time ever responding to anything on these
threads.

Dave

I didn't bother to go to YouTube to see if this individual actually builds things or just draws pretty pictures and talks a lot.

This drawing is NOT balanced and does NOT neutralize magnetic cogging. I know because I HAVE built it. One of many, many rotor designs. Every magnet in the picture shown has its direct opposite except two. By this I mean that as one magnet is leaving a coil, it has a direct opposite that is approaching a coil at EXACTLY the same distance.

The two exceptions are the magnet at 12:00 and the one at 6:00. When the magnet at 12:00 is locked onto the coil core, the one at 6:00 is exactly between two coilss. This means it is being pulled equally in BOTH directions. This does not counter balance the magnet at 12:00 that is locked onto a coil core

With this arrangement there is always ONE magnet that is aligned to a coil that has NO magnet that balances it. A setup with ANY even number of rotor magnets and an odd number of coils accomplishes the same thing.

So think about this....if you fire the coil at the 12:00 position as the MOTOR, you have canceled out its attraction and everything ELSE is in balance. Then you fire the next coil to the right, then two to the right, then three to the right, etc., continuing around in a circle.

THAT is how you make a perfectly balanced machine. The 12:00 magnet is the only "problem" magnet because the one at 6:00 was perfectly between two coils.

It is ONE of the solutions I came up with, but NOT the one I chose to use. I didn't like all the switching required because I am electronically challenged.

Dave

[BroMikey]

Hi all, thanks mike, for sharing the john b. video link about the altitude of a coil and the collapsing voltage being related to that, that is interesting.
I have started testing coils with the setup i built.
Had an air coil already made with 24 awg. magnet wire, 3 strands wound on one of those 3 pack magnet wire white plastic spools from radio shack.
I wired the strands in series, 4.8 ohms total and did not get acceleration when shorted.
Though i am not ramping up the rpm too high, as i'm being cautious.
Wired in parallel was the same.
Then tried another air coil on same diameter plastic spool, just longer with 7 strands of 24awg. magnet wire, 11.4 ohms series resistance.
With the 7 strand coil, it still slows down when shorted, though i notice at faster speeds, it does not slow down as much as the 3 strand air coil at the same faster speed.
I have a large spool of 30awg. magnet wire, i think i will try that gauge wire next.
peace love light

Sky

Glad you are having fun. Now let me refresh you and everyone here on
what is the number of feet of wire and the number of filaments or strands
needed to build a proper coil.

I could go on and on why but for now I will just say it.

2400-3000 feet in a single coil using 120 feet per strand at approx 24
strands. Multistranded coils that are 12 or 24 or 48 or 60 strands is
what we have been told to have a coil to do tests that prove
conclusively that the right length BIFILAR or QUADFILAR will speed
up underload AT THE RIGHT RPM.

It is always a function of the correct RPM so at lower RPM's you may
have to use a 24 strand coil this way till you shift into medium.

At low speeds put 12 strands of the 24 strand coil of 120 feet per strand
in series. Or maybe you want to inch up slowly so instead of going right
to 12 strands in series you start with 6 or 8 in series than add 1 more
each time your RPM test is made.

We want it to speed up under load so getting the right delay is a matter
of wire length and RPM adjustment.

2400 -3000 feet per coil, is that clear? Especially testing done
under 4000 rpm's you need the extra feet.

I used 6 strands in series at 720 feet just to get near the response I am
looking for, my rotor turns slow. Using air cores requires that you increase
the mass content of your wire to 40% more. This will mean you need
more than 3000 feet of wire say 4200 feet. This = 40% more wire than
iron cores require.

The longer wire is good for the delayed effect but zero cogging does
not mean you have eliminated drag, it just means the flux is spread
around more evenly in the air gap so be prepared to push the same HP.

[BroMikey]

How many people have looked at Tesla's patent on how to wind coils that speed up under load and the info he shared about how to get ANY coil to speed up under load? The patent # was given out on THIS forum.

512,340


To all whom it may concern.-

Beit known that I, NIKOLA TESLA, a`citizen of the United States, residing at New York, in the county and State of New York, have invented certain new and usefull
mprovements in Coils for Electro-Magnets and other Apparatus, of which the following is a specification, reference being had to the drawings accompanying and forming a part of the same.

In electric apparatus or systems in which alternating currents are employed the self induction of the coils or conductors may, and, in fact, in many cases does operate disadvantageously by giving rise to false currents which often reduce what is known as the commercial efficiency of the apparatus' composing the system or operate detrimentally in other respects. The effects of self-induction, above referred to, are known to be neutralized by proportioning to a proper degree the capacity of the circuit with relation to the self-induction and frequency of the currents. This has been accomplished heretofore by the use of condensers constructed and applied as separate instruments.

M present invention has for its object to avoid the employment of condensers which are expensive, cumbersome and difficult to maintain in perfect condition, and to so construct the coils themselves as to accomplish the same ultimate object.

I would here state that by the term coils I desire to include generally helices, solenoids, or, in fact, any conductor the different parts of which by the requirements of its application or use are brought into such relations with each other as to materially increase the self-induction.

l have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction. This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency. It is well known that the higher the frequency or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self induction; hence, in any coil, however small the capacity', it may be sufficient for the purpose stated if the proper conditions in other respects be secured. In the ordinary coils the difference of potential between adjacent turns ror spires is ,very small, so that while they are in a sense condensers, they possess but very small capacity and the relations between the two quantities, self-induction and capacity, are not such as under any ordinary conditions satisfy the requirements herein contemplated, because the capacity relatively to the self-induction is very small.

In order to attain my object and ,to properly increase the capacity of any given coil, I wind it in such way as to secure a greater difference of potential between its adjacent turns or convoiutions, and since the energy stored in the coil-considering the' latter as a condenser, is proportionate to the square of the potential difference between its adjacent convolutions, it is evident that I mayin this way secure by a proper disposition of these convolutions a greatly increased capacity for a given increase in potential dilerence'between the turns. V

I have illustrated diagrammatically in the accompanying drawings the general nature of the plan which I adopt for carrying out this invention.

`Figure l is a diagram of a coil wound in the ordinary manner. Fig. 2 is a diagram of a winding designed to secure the objects of my invention.

Let A, Fig. 1, designate any given coil the spires or convolutions of which arewound upon and insulated from each other. Let it be assumed that the terminals of this coil show a potential difference of one hundred volts, and that there are one thousand convolutions; their considering any two contiguous points on adjacent convolutions let it be assumed that there will exist between them 'a p ptential difference of one-tenth of a volt. If now, as shown in Fig. 2, a conductor B be wound parallel with the conductor A and insulated from it, and the end of A be connected with the starting point of B, the aggregate length of the two conductors being such that the assumed number of convolutions or turns is the same, viz., one thousand, then the po- IOO tential diterencebetween any two adjacent lpoints in Aand B will be fifty volts, and as the capacity effect is proportionate to the square of this difference, the energy stored 5 in the coil asja whole-will now be two hunred and fifty thousand as' 'greatl' Following out this principle, I may wind any'given coil either in Whole or in part, not only in the specic manner herein` illustrated, but 1o in a great variety of ways,well known `in the art, so as to secure between adjacent convolutions such potential dicrence as .will give the proper capacity to neutralize the self-induction for any given current that may be r 5, employed. Capacity secured in this particular way possesses an additional advantage in that it is evenly distributed, a consideration of the greatest importance in many cases, and the results, both as to-eiiiciency and economy, zo are the more readily and easily obtained as the size of the coils, the potential difference,

6r frequency of t'ne currents are increased.

Coils composed of independent strands or l conductors wound side byside and connected 25l in series' are not in themselves new, and I do not regard a more detailed description ofthe same as necessary. l3nt heretofore, so far as I am aware, the objects in view have been essentially diterent from mine, and the results which I obtain even if an incident to such 3o forms of winding have not been appreciated or taken advantage of.

In carrying outmy invention it is to be observed that certain facts are well under-- stood by those skilled in the art, viz: the re lations ot' capacity, self-induction, and the frequency and potential dierence of the current.- What capacity, therefore, in any given case it is desirable to obtain and what special winding will secure it, are readily determinable from the other factors which are known.

What I claim as my invention isn l. A coil for electric apparatus the adjaent convolutions o'f which form parts of the circuit between which there exists a potential difference sufficient to secure in the coil a capacity capable ot neutralizing its self-induction, as hereinbefore described.

2. A coil composed'of contiguous or adjacent insulated conductors electrically con; nected in seriesand having a potential ditference of such value as to give to the coil as a whole, a capacity sufficient to neutralize its self-induction, as set forth.

NIKOLA TESLA.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi mike, thanks for sharing the patent, i have seen it before, but thanks for bringing it to my attention again.
And thanks turion, for all that you share.
Before going to bed last night, i had an idea to try.
So i just tested one of my coils i had already made previously.
It is a 5 strand 24awg. coil, not twisted or anything and tested the strands in parallel.
Parallel resistance is .8 ohms.
Then, i placed the 3 3/8" long ferrite tube core into the center of the air coil.
The ferrite tube is all the way into the coil, with another 1 3/4" sticking out on one side.
So i placed the end that is sticking out, at the rotor magnets spinning at high speed.
There is no speed up when the coil is shorted, though the rotor speed is not affected in any way, meaning it does not slow down either.
There seems to be a critical point, where if the ferrite tube core is not protruding enough from the coil, then the rotor will slow down a bit.
I'm pretty sure N. Tesla also invented a generator like this, with protruding stator core from the coil, though they didn't have ferrite back then, as far as i know.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

So figure out how to wind a coil correctly OR add a capacitor, which, according to Tesla, achieves THE SAME THING as his winding pattern.

ANY coil will speed up under load at the right frequency OR with increased capacitance. It's all right there in black and white in the patent. He clearly states that "condensers" are bulky, expensive and difficult to maintain (in HIS time) so his winding was a method to eliminate their use. That doesn't mean we MUST eliminate them NOW.

You have opened another door as per usual. The first thing I have
finally absorbs is the 2400-3000 feet average for a coil especially for
those starting out looking for the window of AUL
(acceleration under-load) with any number of random builds. My hat is
off to you.

Next I understand that you are an advanced builder who also has other
friends or people who you speak to you privately and share.

I have heard of the use of a capacitor on the multi-filar coils and I am slow
in catching on. I must admit now and for the record that I have been so
spread out working that I feel my effort to understand your lead appears
to be a half hearted one.

Like you mentioned so many good offerings have been given and hardly
a soul on these forums care, but I do care, I have to leave now but am
going to make everybody wait.

This is my love, learning and going beyond.

The door that you opened turned on a bright light. I have been
concentrating on making a many filament coil winding of 24 so
experimenting has not come yet. The door opened as I have been
envisioning the terminal strip of 48 connections, thinking what
patterns will I come up with on this rig.

Now the door opened and capacitors might be something I can
use to adjust AUL values. Great news that I had rejected for now.

Capacitors have evolved since Tesla so critical adjustments made
thru the use of a capacitor should help the COP in the end.

So the coil has it's place, the capacitor has it's place but one can
never replace the other. What this means to me is another fun experiment
to do in the future.

Thanks for making my day better Turion-Man

[Mario]

I thought ve'd been through this, I've mentioned quite a few times what happens if you make make the coil resonant either with it's own capacitance (which is way higher with a bifilar setup), or by adding a cap. I'm not going to repeat it since no one seems to grasp it.
Instead I just suggest to do the experiment and add a capacitor and run the coil at its resonant frequency (resonant rise) and tell me what you see... If your motor can handle it..!

Mario

[BroMikey]

I thought ve'd been
through this, I've mentioned quite a few times
what happens if you make make the coil
resonant either with it's own capacitance
(which is way higher with a bifilar setup),
or by adding a cap. I'm not going to
repeat it since no one seems to grasp
it.
Instead I just suggest to do the
experiment and add a capacitor
and run the coil at its resonant frequency
(resonant rise) and tell me what you see...
If your motor can handle it..!

Mario

Thanks Mario

You have a motor? And setup like this? Tube video?

There are just so many thoughts that over lap and so many voices
saying probably the same thing a different way and like you say some
of us are not as advanced in certain areas.

There is so much to learn. So many ways of learning it and stating it.
You may have said a lot of things that went right over a million heads
and probably someone has done the same thing to you.

Here is why I think this keeps happening. No point of reference or reason
to make a test, just another fun test in the minds of the new guys gives
no credence. What is it for? What does it do? Where does this apply,
when does that apply.

Which random build is he talking about, what will it give in the end? Is it
only another showboat youtube video that the the person just loves to
hear himself talk?

I know you are not one to say much and so the guys on youtube who
like to talk but know very little prevail. This is what makes learning this
new form of science like finding hidden treasure.

Picture a man with a finder probe going around checking for various
metals at all kinds of ranges and depths. Like finding talkers at what
depth of understanding or what are their range of views?

Yeah!

Turion said it a long time ago. He said that nobody has the same build
and coil so it becomes almost impossible to direct someone based on
another system. So many forms of energy available all kinds of ways
everyone with a new opinion.

Shall I go on? I have heard your input, and I listen hoping to use it
if I can but unless there is a frame of reference it is virtually impossible
to pull up hundreds of comments out of a book, then place them all.

Then someone jumps up saying "I already said that" yeah but nobody
heard it because they couldn't make a place where the thought fit.

So now let's takes all of our special talent and the knowledge that comes
with that talent, make a place for it by showing an example of what the
comment applies to. Otherwise only a few will get it after 20 years.

So that brings me to the experimenter with his time and money, if he just
talks and has no time or money or experimental setup, all of the above
hypothetical will pepper the minds til skepticism prevails.

Show me what you are doing or have done or will do so I know what is
being done and or what is the test and what does your comment apply to.


@Turion

Concerning our real world build "Practical application" I see Thane has
solved the problems of magnets staying in their holders by using this
style of core. I think I am going to go this way so to do this I will
make tiny bolt on tips for my "C" core first with a wide air gap say
.25 ? I am not sure yet. Tempted to make it a sliding adjustment,
yeah I think so.

I will show everyone soon. Here are Thane met glass square cores
with a chunk cut out where the magnets pass. It is a great idea.

Thane does not withhold much as he know 99.99 percent of the people
have no time to do any of this work so showing it makes sense from a
sales perspective.


Thanes commercial design allows me more room all around my rotor
to place big fat coils that balance the forces.

Real world ideas "practical application"