Splitting The Positive

[BroMikey]

Still in the planning stages. Frames are going around the outside to fasten
shielding to as protection from possible flying magnets during high
RPM operation.

The base frame is overlaid with 1.5" of wood as will be the
bearing mount to ensure some degree of magnetic isolation between
the test stand and the motor/generator.

Gotta keep thinking it thru.

[BroMikey]

Slight Update

In the past I had asked the question of how much current draw
increase will occur when loading a rotor conventionally verses loading
the same rotor with magnets with regenerative style non-conventional
coil.

The first step of course is to establish a baseline and in my case using
the Matt-Modified-Motor by itself at 12vdc the draw is 1 amp.

After running the modified motor for sometime all by it's lonesome, without
the addition of an added rotor for picking up extra energy, I can say that
the 3 battery recovery system works good to recirculate energy

I am using plain 20awg magnet wire in the modified motor so this
pulsed system should be good for a couple of amps without heating.


Today I got my bushings in the mail that allows me to connect the entire
drive train up from modified scooter motor to my flywheel magnet rotor.

As can be seen in the pictures above this small modified motor has it's
hands full turning that mass. The new reading is 2.5amp draw at 12-14vdc.

I have a tonne of mounting to perform in this next step and after that
the fun will begin. What should be done is that the motor and rotor
arrangement displayed on youtube showing the actual hands on effects
of introducing a variety of coil winds.

This is not to say that Thane or Dave should be doing more but that
someone else could add to the work already offered.

Naturally a true believer would show results that far exceed the data
available today coming from the college level student. That is is not
what we see. Many feel that the reason that good evidence is not
posted to support the premise that the extra energy exists is due to the
idea that most don't think it possible.

Once I am setup I will let you all know since the next phase will be time
spent investigating coil effects at many speeds. I do have some
advantages having listened to Turion (Dave) in the past and beyond that
I have learned the acceleration under a load possibilities from a
youtube user THANE HEINS

My device is replica of Matt Jones MODIFIED MOTOR and rotor with coils
by THANE HEINS. It is my desire as well as many others to combine
technologies.

According to Turion the coil winding search takes much time to find
a length of wire that works best with any given rotor at that RPM.

I agree, however in THANE HEINS video's we find much more than
trial and error to go on. The frequency, the number of magnets, the
RPM and the time constants are all available.

Either way you will see that a standard coil could be 21 ohms while
a regenerative acceleration coil be 200ohms. Coils can be made of
special wire as found in THANE HEINS patents where the tinning process
enhances the skin effect to collect other forms of energy.

Superconductor wire magnet wire type 2 although this is not needed
to experiment. Bifilar, trifilar series connected coils that could also
be altered in other ways to change the capacitance of the coil itself.

[i_ron]

I guess it depends on what you want to achieve with your rotor. All North magnets get you one thing, while N/S/N/S gets you another as far as output goes. I don't know if Thaine is using an aluminum rotor or a STEEL rotor to get that conduction back to the motor on the setup you are talking about.

I can answer that question Dave. In 2009 I made several rotors for Thane and they were steel at that time. Even to a steel cup design for the magnet.



And a video of it running

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USnDxqslfyA

Ron

[BroMikey]

I can answer that question Dave. In 2009 I made several rotors for Thane and they were steel at that time. Even to a steel cup design for the magnet.



And a video of it running

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USnDxqslfyA

Ron

Hooray great work, great looking rig, so professional, highly
accurate. You really did it right. Is that an aluminum rotor or a
steel one?

Again let me stress how much I enjoyed the 1 minute video that
once again proves the concept. Of course each individual setup
running at other speeds would require a coil wind to suit.

What is the reasoning behind the slots? To keep magnetic flux more
separated north to south? I think so.

Nice indexing work, sweet.

[BroMikey]

I also noticed that you ran the motor at 80 volts and I always
knew that this should be the case to run the 120v motor in a weakened
state to more easily show off the REGENX coils ability to pick up RPM's.

With the conventional motor such as that one the design is set to
one fixed parameter in a very narrow range that expends excessive
amounts of energy to maintain.

I really don't know how to explain what I see inside of this work.

Also this is why i like the Matt Mod Motor as an alternative to a
conventional, however both will work.

[i_ron]

Hooray great work, great looking rig, so professional, highly
accurate. You really did it right. Is that an aluminum rotor or a
steel one?

Again let me stress how much I enjoyed the 1 minute video that
once again proves the concept. Of course each individual setup
running at other speeds would require a coil wind to suit.

What is the reasoning behind the slots? To keep magnetic flux more
separated north to south? I think so.

Nice indexing work, sweet.

Steel Bro, the slots and cups were just Ideas Thane had at that time. On the different models I made one for him and one for myself. He was using the Ryobi at that time, hence my getting one for this demonstration. That's my rotor running, his is against the wall. What you don't see in the pic is plexiglass sheet on the rotor to cut down on windage.

Great thread Bro, thanks for all your time and schematics, good work!

Glad you like it.

Ron

[BroMikey]

Steel Bro, the slots and cups were just Ideas Thane had at that time. On the different models I made one for him and one for myself. He was using the Ryobi at that time, hence my getting one for this demonstration. That's my rotor running, his is against the wall. What you don't see in the pic is plexiglass sheet on the rotor to cut down on windage.

Great thread Bro, thanks for all your time and schematics, good work!

Glad you like it.

Ron

Absolutely I like it. All I see on the web are failed attempts to discredit
THANE. He is a gentle soul, very giving and instructive. What a sweet
spirit coming from the man.

There are bunch on youtube debunking the RegenX coils and they
always make the same mistake, they don't follow directions. On the
other hand you do and give credit where credit is due, some many
try to dress up the same coil as something they invented.

people can be dumb dogs at times but I forgive them. I turn 60 years
in May and want to be remembered like Thane, a great guy who was
honest and open.

When you get time please let me stir you if I can to be what you may
consider redundant and go over you thoughts with your applications of
coil size parameters at speeds under test.

If you want. This is a question we here all of the time.

[i_ron]

When you get time please let me stir you if I can to be what you may
consider redundant and go over you thoughts with your applications of
coil size parameters at speeds under test.

If you want. This is a question we here all of the time.

BroMikey,

I like the fact that you do things, build things, it makes for a good list... and in your case seems to attract the right kind of people.

But at 81, I must say, I am here to learn. I don't have the magic coil info. Nor a Razor motor...not that they are that expensive but the exchange rate of only 75% plus shipping to Canada makes it into a gold plated dream. I am sure they are here in toys and scooters but they are either in use or straight into the trash...I have never seen a thing with one in on the side of the road.... and here one can drop things off at the recycle but pain of death if you are caught trying to take something out...weird.

What you need to do is to encourage Dave to continue his coil 101 building here, under these safe conditions. He has the knowledge and experience and wants to share.

Not much time left now bro, I think the whole system will be down by july

Take care,

Ron

[BroMikey]

BroMikey,

I like the fact that you do things, build things, it makes for a good list... and in your case seems to attract the right kind of people.

toys and scooters but they are either in use or straight into the trash...

the recycle but pain of death if you are caught trying to take something out...weird.



Not much time left now bro, I think the whole system will be down by july

Take care,

Ron

Yes I know what you mean on recyclers going absolutely NAZI if you ask
them if you can go shopping. It reminded me of the time I asked someone in
a hotel after hours if I could use their toilet, they called the police on me.

I was way out in the sticks with my wife and baby in the 70's

Same thing at the junk yards happen in many places because of the
new nazi rules of world government, they use the excuse of insurance
premiums.

Thank for your compliment on the system of analysis on this thread.

What I meant earlier when I asked about your regenx coil that works
was HOW DID YOU WIND IT?

[i_ron]

What I meant earlier when I asked about your regenx coil that works
was HOW DID YOU WIND IT?

Hey guy, that was 6 or 7 years ago, I have a hard job remembering what happened last week, LOL

In those days i used my little hand winder, in the vise...Patrick Kelly did a write up, on my Bedini build, see chapter six page 6-9

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter6.pdf

Later coils I sometimes wind on the coil winder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXV4aA0fCws

So for the Thane coil, nothing special, just back and forth winding until the bobbin was full.
Please note that the experiment was coil shorted, not coil under load... never did master that art.

Ron

[BroMikey]

Hey guy, that was 6 or 7 years ago, I have a hard job remembering what happened last week, LOL

In those days i used my little hand winder, in the vise...Patrick Kelly did a write up, on my Bedini build, see chapter six page 6-9

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter6.pdf

Later coils I sometimes wind on the coil winder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXV4aA0fCws

So for the Thane coil, nothing special, just back and forth winding until the bobbin was full.
Please note that the experiment was coil shorted, not coil under load... never did master that art.

Ron

That is good to know Ron, what i mean is even a single wire that is
long enough can give the acceleration. I am guessing by seeing your
coil that it is 200 ohms or better.

Here is a picture out of one of Thanes patents I have changed slightly
adding in words near the Fig.


What we see here are two ways to connect up the wire on a double
coil or 2 wire coil on the same spool. This is a spool or bobbin that
is not just a single wire around the entire area, rather the spool is
filled with a twin set, both going on at the same time side by side
along side of one another not twisted.

Now some have twisted the double strand and found a slight increase
in coil capacitance Vs twin winding without being all twisted up that
contorts the winding job all over the place compared to the non
twisted coils.

Metal tape is used as a shield, copper is what I have seen. Mostly
the shielding is used after the coil is done. I am not sure if the tape
has been or should be connected to one or the other wires on the
coil.

It is also well known to many that Magnet wire wire tinning on the
outside such as with silver (More money) can increase energy
harvesting.

Since the REGENX coil enhances any system by assisting the rotor
of the primary drive we want to also gain as much as possible. Even
if all we got was a ball of wire stuck to a rotor that assisted any
system we are miles ahead of current models.

But the REGENX coil not only assists the primary drive but at the same
time offers energy out in the form of electricity that is diverted back
again to the primary system.

In doing this we want to get as much out of the gen coil as possible
for the least amount of space because a large number of coils is needed
to increase overall efficiency toward infinite.

[BroMikey]

Thank You RON

I watched the video of the man who has a HOMEMADE computerized
coil winder machine. He said he likes to put 2 or 3 layers onto a spool
and then put a piece of paper down next then continue winding.

I read somewhere or heard in video that clothe was used by a well
known inventor of the past. The paper or clothe between layers as
spacer will alter capacitance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXV4aA0fCws

[i_ron]

[SIZE="3"][COLOR="Blue"]Thank You RON

I watched the video of the man who has a HOMEMADE computerized
coil winder machine. He said he likes to put 2 or 3 layers onto a spool
and then put a piece of paper down next then continue winding.

RohnDoe is me, BroMikey... a little play on the anonymous "John Doe"

The paper idea was just to keep the winds level.

I made three different rotor designs for Thane but was not privy to his coils.
Luc is the man who wound coils for Thane, get him on the list or at least look through his videos.
He has some good stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/user/gotoluc

Best bet still is to encourage Dave to post more on here. Don't lose track of that.

Ron

[BroMikey]

RohnDoe is me, BroMikey... a little play on the anonymous "John Doe"

The paper idea was just to keep the winds level.

I made three different rotor designs for Thane but was not privy to his coils.
Luc is the man who wound coils for Thane, get him on the list or at least look through his videos.
He has some good stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/user/gotoluc

Best bet still is to encourage Dave to post more on here. Don't lose track of that.

Ron

Thanks Ron
Some individuals are under agreements and were here long before I was
so I have been winging it. I thought that was you Ron DOE

Anyway the people seem to be so business with their daily lives and
many times board stiff with this project that they lost sight. Denial
creeps in you know? Next thing you know they won't even think
it will work.

Dave is not one of those, he is one of the few who has a working
acceleration under load coil system such as yourself.

Dave has pointed out core material as being vital and that the way
you find the right coil is the way he found it.

Making lots and lots of coils experiments. Wind them up quite long and
begin removing a 10 foot section of wire and retest. So you see Dave
has already made the common deduction and has stated for the record
as any experiment should well know that each setup will require a
different coil.

This is why we hear Dave often comment that nobody has the same
rotor, motor or anything else so nothing can apply.

I will be getting to this point coming up. I have a litzing winder and will
make another non-litzing winder. A reg winder is easier. When I deem a
project worthy I build it up and sometimes run into a road block to
where it fails. In this case I don't see any missing links.

Even a single strand of copper wire works at the right length for the
right RPM for the right resistance value = the proper phase shift so I
don't see why anyone would give up on it. Genius is often accompanied
by a scatter brain tendency. Bless their pea picken little heart
anyway.


What you see here is only a small portion of the whole, the background
or underground groups embedded are not visible to the majority and
though there is much peace and quiet as compared to the open groups
not much creativity is unleashed either. But we can't go on endless
invention schemes, eventually you have to lock in and build.

Few leaders with the rest following and funding, got to do it.

[blackchisel97]

But at 81, I must say, I am here to learn. I don't have the magic coil info. Nor a Razor motor...not that they are that expensive but the exchange rate of only 75% plus shipping to Canada makes it into a gold plated dream. I am sure they are here in toys and scooters but they are either in use or straight into the trash...I have never seen a thing with one in on the side of the road.... and here one can drop things off at the recycle but pain of death if you are caught trying to take something out...weird.

Ron

Hi Ron,

Just watched your YT videos and I admire your craftsmanship
I have couple MY1016 24V 280W and could send you one. The centre part (stator without end plates is about 2-1/4". You may want to replace bearings with better ones but it will give you something to experiment with. It took some time to find them at reasonable price. They can be found very cheap in the US but not here and shipping often costs more than used motor.

Cheers
V