Splitting The Positive

[BroMikey]

You have a given cost in watts to even run your motor. When you add a rotor to the shaft, you have an increase in cost (watts). If this cost can be maintained, you will have a machine with a COP much greater than 1.

How do you control those costs when you are going to put iron cores in front of the rotor magnets that will cause magnetic drag? Well, you make sure that the machine speeds up under load, so as long as you are running loads, that additional cost is almost completely neutralized.

So now you are back to zero, but no gain, so over time those tiny losses will add up. What else can you do to lessen the attraction to the iron cores?

Replace them with ferrite? Move the coil away from the magnets? Change the configuration to reduce magnetic attraction? All of the above.

Yes that is a good way to put it. Measure the energy it takes to rotate
the rotor over and above idling costs, next measure the drag/cost of
bringing the static field of a coil into close proximity of magnets, next see
if shorting the coil returns the rotor to zero drag costs, collect the energy
and return it to the input to get OU?

Then keep adding a coil til high COP is reached.

If more reactive core materials harvest more energy then use them.

Iron is fine for 60hz but what about 300hz? Also tinned wire has been
a known way of collecting extra energy with a little bit higher frequency.

[BroMikey]

The more magnetic drag you eliminate the higher the COP will be.

Then keep adding another coil til high COP is reached.

If more reactive core materials harvest more energy then use them.

Iron is fine for 60hz but what about 300hz? Also tinned wire has been
a known way of collecting extra energy with a little bit higher frequency.

Saturation will cause drag.

Drag is something we could work on to lessen. Placing magnets and
coil poles so that with the motor or generator turned off, the rotor
can free wheel without cogging is one answer.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, Hi mike, i think the idea is that the capacitor causes a phase shift.

This comment by life is illusion from youtube is interesting:
"The capacitor will cause a phase shift. This is exactly what we use in induction motors to shift the phase of second set of coils to kick start the induction motor. Even if you get to shift the phase by 3 degrees, you go around Lenz's law. By adjusting the capacitance of the capacitor, you can create any degree of phase shift that you want. You can go totally 180 degrees out of phase and then the Lenz's law will work for you, not against you. This is very similar to the regenerative acceleration method. Really amazing way of going around the problem of Lenz's law"

I may try a transformer, as i don't have any mechanical generator, set up at the moment.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

Hi all, Hi mike, i think the idea is that the capacitor causes a phase shift.

This comment by life is illusion from youtube is interesting:
"The capacitor will cause a phase shift. This is exactly what we use in induction motors to shift the phase of second set of coils to kick start the induction motor. Even if you get to shift the phase by 3 degrees, you go around Lenz's law. By adjusting the capacitance of the capacitor, you can create any degree of phase shift that you want. You can go totally 180 degrees out of phase and then the Lenz's law will work for you, not against you. This is very similar to the regenerative acceleration method. Really amazing way of going around the problem of Lenz's law"

I may try a transformer, as i don't have any mechanical generator, set up at the moment.
peace love light

Yes there is something to what you are saying, THE ROTOVERTER is the
word I am looking for. Many claim that by using caps to tune a 3 phase
motor a window of opportunity arises to harvest a degree of energy
IF and only IF the load is tuned to the the phase shift.

From what I understand no one to date has successfully used this
idea to develop practical amounts of energy. According to the advanced
experimenters in this field, tuning in a very narrow band is easily thrown
out of wack then retuning must be done.

It is a great thought and I have heard of a couple who hung in there
and played with the tuning long enough and he claimed he used it on
one circuit in his house to start out.

It is possible according to some. The rotor-verter experiment has been
on the books for decades and is what we are talking about.

Good to see you around.

[BroMikey]

I am not suggesting to go full Muller but this video gives us more
than a few lines of text about cogging in visual form.

MOGEN, NEOGEN whatever ya wanta call it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9-oqMcsZGE

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[BroMikey]

Anti cogging ideas. With this approach the huge start up amp
draws are eliminated as well as the run cogging drag while still
getting the magnets past the coils to produce full power outputs.

[BroMikey]

I didn't bother to go to YouTube to see if this individual actually builds things or just draws pretty pictures and talks a lot.

This drawing is NOT balanced and does NOT neutralize magnetic cogging. I know because I HAVE built it. One of many, many rotor designs. Every magnet in the picture shown has its direct opposite except two. By this I mean that as one magnet is leaving a coil, it has a direct opposite that is approaching a coil at EXACTLY the same distance.

The two exceptions are the magnet at 12:00 and the one at 6:00. When the magnet at 12:00 is locked onto the coil core, the one at 6:00 is exactly between two coilss. This means it is being pulled equally in BOTH directions. This does not counter balance the magnet at 12:00 that is locked onto a coil core

With this arrangement there is always ONE magnet that is aligned to a coil that has NO magnet that balances it. A setup with ANY even number of rotor magnets and an odd number of coils accomplishes the same thing.

Thanks Man TURION-MAN

AS usual in my haste I jumpped to conclusions but I do know better
after looking it over. BRB

[BroMikey]

I looked at it again.

It is pretty much what I was thinking should work actually. One magnet
leads and one lags at exactly the right degree to create a balance.

I have not built this one. Just using magnets and steel blanks it seems
like it would be close to balanced except for the 12oc vs the 6oc as
you pointed out. It is like people post stuff that gets put around the
web to throw people off keeping them running in circles.

I got to think about this and draw it out. BRB

PS thanks for keeping me on the straight and narrow path so i don't
have to waste years building other folks wet dream pictures. Makes
me so mad.

[BroMikey]

So think about this....

It is ONE of the solutions I came up with, but NOT the one I chose
to use. I didn't like all the switching required because I am
electronically challenged.

Dave

I feel like the kindergartner who asked what comes after "A"
"electronically challenged"? Who wants more complication than needed?
We could build circuits that function within a very narrow range based on
how the optics are set up, that stuff takes huge amounts of time.

I my case i think the best way is to place one core around the rotor
at a time adding and collecting ideas. I can't even produce another
idea at this moment.

What comes after "A"?

I have been doing some chicken scratch on paper at least?

[BroMikey]

Looks like somebody got the grinder out as one fix.


Anti-Cog Technology

Parker’s anti-cog technology does not use skewed magnets or any
other method that compromises motor efficiency. It uses destructive interference. Additional features are added to the lamination assembly
that produce an opposite and equal cogging pattern. These features
are called anti-cog blocks. Because a fractional winding is used and
the cogging forces from the inner teeth all cancel each other out,
the same size and shape anti-cog blocks can be used regardless of
the length of the lamination assembly. Anti-cog blocks only have
to compensate for the cogging from the leading and trailing edge
of the lamination assembly.




http://www.machinedesign.com/motorsdrives/how-ironcore-motors-defeat-cogging-and-find-new-uses

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[BroMikey]

Anti-Cogging Ideas

He calls Muller designs a "HOAX"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZIiRnncLMQ

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[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, has anyone here tried air coils and achieved zero affect on rotor speed or rotor acceleration when generator coils are loaded.
I seem to recall erfinder saying he had done that.
Air coil would seem the best route to take.
If indeed, bifilar or multifilar coils, with the strands in series can increase the capacitance of the coil and cause a neutralization or speed up under load, sounds like the way to go.
I think i have to set up a simple neo magnet rotor with a single coil and start making some tests myself and i will swipe one of the brushless motors from one of me rc planes with speed control.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

Hi all, has anyone here tried air coils and achieved zero affect on rotor speed or rotor acceleration when generator coils are loaded.
I seem to recall erfinder saying he had done that.
Air coil would seem the best route to take.
If indeed, bifilar or multifilar coils, with the strands in series can increase the capacitance of the coil and cause a neutralization or speed up under load, sounds like the way to go.
I think i have to set up a simple neo magnet rotor with a single coil and start making some tests myself and i will swipe one of the brushless motors from one of me rc planes with speed control.
peace love light

Let me know on what you did test. The cogging is the subject at
the moment that greatly effects COP. Air cores also cog but not as
bad however they don't generate as much current unless the windings
are 10X as long as an iron core model, then your cogging would be
just a strong as before I assume.

Turion went to the patent and made some TESLA coils and said that
is the way to go. I am not sure what they looked like. I'll have to go
read that patent again.

Anytime cogging can be reduced is good as long as you are not trading
it for generated power, that goes without says it.

[BroMikey]

A study on inductors and core material.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b8Wol-X4tE

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6681mgFNomc

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMnpw2UcEHc

[BroMikey]

When we consider core material inductance and saturation as
well as different unorthodox coil impedance designs we can see
how cogging effects are increased and decreased.

As a point of reference when I wound my first large quad filar
spool of 7lbs, I learned that as an air core the frequency was
high for a simple oscillator circuit such as JOHN BEDINI had shown
us in the 70's.

The amp draw is also something to note. When using bolts, welding
rods, coat hanger wire and misc the amps will increase dramatically
as compared to the air core. Also when using the large coil at a
productive output of 1-3 amps 12-24vdc input the iron cores will
heat up slightly.

Heat is loss of energy. It worked well for pushing the envelop getting
lots of high end spikes at the increased output just the core itself will
induce into the system without changing resistors.

Then something great happens when you switch to ferrite. If you use
cylindrical hollow beads 1" long stacking them up 5 or 6 at a time having
(In my case) a diameter of 3/4", you can replace your iron core.


RESPONSE

You are in for a good RESPONSE. Your same inductor will output the same
amount of energy for far less input and that makes it worthwhile. For some
strange reason, all the little dust particles of a wide variety of exotic
metals, including iron dust will out perform a chunk of iron with a little
sand in it, any day.

Performance means response time. Response time improves the fields
ability to reverse without lagging behind which is waste and does cause
small amounts of undetectable heat losses. I say undetectable because
the average guy will feel the core material and say he does not feel
any heat.

Whatever the case and regardless the amount that tiny bit of energy
is translated directly into output therefore raising the operational
efficiency of the black box.

At the same time cogging is reduced at the poles because the raw iron
is not there to create a response lag anymore. The output in greater and
the cogging is brought way down.

One of John Bedini's latest videos shows an air core motor. It has tiny
amounts of torque, huge coils using infinitesimal amounts of energy to
run with limited cogging.

John taught us everything we need and he demonstrated each effect
separately stating that we should learn each one and then add them
together if possible to evolve any design.

No single effect holds the answer.

I posted those engineering video's for your pleasure and I have been
looking for an American who is capable as only the Indian people are
generally doing this work that is nearly impossible to understand.