Splitting The Positive

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, made another video showing how the protruding ferrite tube core does not slow down the neo magnet rotor when the coil is shorted.
You can hear the rotor slowing down at the start, with just the air coil close to the rotor.
I can't seem to find anything about the N. Tesla generator device that may have used similar principals.
Seem to recall it was built for the model T of ford company.
I already checked with amp meter previously, to confirm the amps do not increase, when testing with protruding core.
Also, if the rotor is slowed down too much, then when using the protruding core method, i can hear it slow down slightly.
So the rotor does need a threshold speed, even with this method, though does not need a mile of copper.

https://youtu.be/QNMp9PDwEeg

peace love light

Oh and nice coil cores mike, did you make those.

[BroMikey]

if you make make the coil resonant either with it's own capacitance

(which is way higher with a bifilar setup), or by adding a cap.

Okay I reread your comment the next day and putting aside all of the
tough talk(My favorite) here is what I got

"The coil type and size has one effect"

"The same coil with cap has another range of effects"

"One can not replace the other"

The new information is that just using a coil without a cap to get the
effects operate in a much higher freq range so this gives us all options
when push comes to shove in the real world experiment and we need to
fine tune or even find the window.

Thanks Mario, I will consider it a fact for use on this system.

And btw someone is sitting in the background saying "I knew it, all of
this time I have been telling everyone all you need is a tank circuit"

No, that is not what was said here so this message is for those who are
unaware that large (Non conventional windings) must be part of this
process.




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[BroMikey]

Spooling Up for my first big winding!!!

I have most of the things I need to spool up. Here are a few shots
of my materials plus a diagram of my "C" Core changes.

Thank you to all of my helpers who see my desire to do this work.
I couldn't do this without you.



















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[BroMikey]

Spooling Setup Completed

I finally did it.

[Mario]

Bro, no that's not what I meant. One thing is the delayed lenz effect which we 're after, or call it Kromrey effect or G-field or whatever you wish. The other thing is a resonant tank circuit
.
The delayed Lenz effect is induced when the following interconnected criteria are met: High enough coil inductance, speed (how fast the magnet passes in front of the core), core material and load resistance.
These 4 variables decide at what rpm a given setup will not slow down the motor (neutral point) or even speed up. This effect shifts the phase of the response (CEMF) of the magnetic core in relation with the passing magnet (inducer) to a point where the response (which normally would counteract the passing magnet) occurs at a delayed point in time where it can't slow down the magnet, or even assist in motoring. This needs tuning the variables, but has nothing to do with a resonant tank circuit, although both involve phase shifting.

Now, let's talk about what happens if you want marry this delayed Lenz effect with resonance. To achieve resonance in a tank circuit you need to calculate a given cap size for a given coil inductance at a given speed. If you add a tuning cap to your coil (let's skip the load for now) you will notice that it's almost impossible to run the rotor at resonance, you if can do it your motor will see the highest possible amp draw and soon burn out! Don't believe me... try it for yourself! Put a cap in parallel with your coil and try running it at resonance...It's the biggest brake you can put on your rotor. You can add a cap or if you have enough capacitance thanks to a bifilar setup you can simply use that, it doesn't matter as long as you know the resonant frequency. To measure the capacitance of you bifilar coil as you would with a cap, simply put your meter across it but disconnect the series connection for the time you are measuring it. It behaves just like a cap.

Ok, let's say you are running your setup with cap or bifilar capacitance a bit under but close to the resonant point ( at which you see a huge voltage increase). Now add your load and you will see your rotor take off like crazy and say: I did it! Wow, it accelerates under load! Ok, let it accelerate until its top speed. Now remove the cap while running, you will see that it will stay pretty much at the same speed... with or without cap, it also depends on your load resistance, the lower the resistance the more it will eliminate resonance. Of course this is much easier to see if you use a cap which can be removed instead of the bifilar because you can't turn of the bifilar capacity...

My point is, although it accelerates when you add a load to a resonant setup, it's an illusion that it is a benefit. It's just that resonance was braking it heavily before you added the load, then the load nullifies resonance depending on its resistance, and once up to speed the result with or without cap is the same. It's not that the bifilar does some kind of magic here. It is very handy to have many bifilar strands to find the right coil wire length as Dave is doing.
But remember, if you have a bifilar with very high inductance and capacitance, the resonant point gets lower, meaning that you maybe running close to a resonant point without knowing it and are convinced you have achieved the delayed Lenz effect already...
I have also done another test to see if the bifilar on it's own would be a benefit. I made a coil with one wire and another coil with the exact same wire length but cut in half and wound bifilar series connected. The two coils had basically the same total number of turns and the same inductance, the bifilar had more capacitance, but its self resonant point was way too high to be of any influence in the test. The result was that they behaved exactly the same, meaning they show the neutral point (where the load doesn't slow down the rotor) at the same frequency.

I know this is not very easy to understand so read it again until you get it, but most of all don't believe me, do the tests yourself which is the only way to learn something. What I described I learned from my tests, but if someone else sees something else I'm always open to learn something new...

Mario

[Mario]

Mario,
Here is what leads me to believe I have SUUL.

When I run my motor turning the rotor with no coil in place I get a specific amp draw and a specific RPM. I have placed a weight on the shaft that is the same weight as the rotor, and the amp draw and RPM's with that weight in place are the same as with the rotor in place, which leads me to believe that turning a rotor creates no phenomenon that I am not accounting for. When a coil pair is placed near the rotor, the amp draw of the motor goes up and the RPM's go down because of what I call "magnetic drag" which is not the proper term, but it is caused by trying to turn the magnets on the rotor past an iron core to which they are attracted and want to "lock" onto. With one coil pair. the "drag is not that great, but with six coil pair it is so great that without compensation, the motor is incapable of starting the rotor turning, and even if you break the lock and get it started, the amp draw far exceeds the recommended amp draw of the motor.

By adjusting the relationship between the coil pair and passing rotor I can get the amp draw to go back down to almost exactly where it was and the RPM to go up to almost where it was before the coil was added.

Now I add a load to the coil and the amp draw goes down to below what it was with no coil in place and the RPM goes up higher than what it was with no coil in place. Whether the load is a light bulb or an electric motor does not matter. And when the load is removed the amp draw goes back up and the RPM goes back down to the previous level.

The additional RPM's of the generator "under load" produce additional power. To see if this is significant I measure the output of the coil and then reduce the voltage input to achieve the same RPM's as I had before adding the coil. The coil output is GREATER at the higher RPM, obviously.

In summary, with these coils I can get more generated output for the same input or the same output for a reduced input. But to say they are of no use makes no sense to me. But I have an open mind so if you can point out the error in my testing method, I would SINCERELY appreciate it.

Hi Dave,

I don't think there's any error in your testing method at all. You are describing what you get with the delayed Lenz effect which I totally understand, including cogging (or magnetic drag) and everything. All I'm saying is that I don't think a bifilar coil has any advantage over a "normal" coil, other than providing a handy means for finding the right wire length / size through parallel-series strand combinations. I say this based on what I've seen, but maybe you can prove me wrong.

I'm also saying that if you have many strands in series the capacitance of the coil is much higher compared to an equal coil with same amount of turns but one continuous wire. This additional capacitance, if high enough, could mislead someone into believing he's seeing delayed Lenz effect, when in reality there's also resonance at play because of the way lower resonant frequency, like I've explained in my earlier post.

Mario

[Akinator888]

leverMotor

Hi all,
now i find a video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6urptmitfY

that where a system (electric motor + load) is shown.
In which the advantageous principle of the levers is applied, saving force at the same mechanical moment.
What do you think about??

[BroMikey]

Bro, no that's not what I meant. One thing is the delayed lenz effect which we 're after, or call it Kromrey effect or G-field or whatever you wish. The other thing is a resonant tank circuit
.
The delayed Lenz effect is induced when the following interconnected criteria are met: High enough coil inductance, speed (how fast the magnet passes in front of the core), core material and load resistance.
These 4 variables decide at what rpm a given setup will not slow down the motor (neutral point) or even speed up. This effect shifts the phase of the response (CEMF) of the magnetic core in relation with the passing magnet (inducer) to a point where the response (which normally would counteract the passing magnet) occurs at a delayed point in time where it can't slow down the magnet, or even assist in motoring. This needs tuning the variables, but has nothing to do with a resonant tank circuit, although both involve phase shifting.

Now, let's talk about what happens if you want marry this delayed Lenz effect with resonance. To achieve resonance in a tank circuit you need to calculate a given cap size for a given coil inductance at a given speed. If you add a tuning cap to your coil (let's skip the load for now) you will notice that it's almost impossible to run the rotor at resonance, you if can do it your motor will see the highest possible amp draw and soon burn out! Don't believe me... try it for yourself! Put a cap in parallel with your coil and try running it at resonance...It's the biggest brake you can put on your rotor. You can add a cap or if you have enough capacitance thanks to a bifilar setup you can simply use that, it doesn't matter as long as you know the resonant frequency. To measure the capacitance of you bifilar coil as you would with a cap, simply put your meter across it but disconnect the series connection for the time you are measuring it. It behaves just like a cap.

Ok, let's say you are running your setup with cap or bifilar capacitance a bit under but close to the resonant point ( at which you see a huge voltage increase). Now add your load and you will see your rotor take off like crazy and say: I did it! Wow, it accelerates under load! Ok, let it accelerate until its top speed. Now remove the cap while running, you will see that it will stay pretty much at the same speed... with or without cap, it also depends on your load resistance, the lower the resistance the more it will eliminate resonance. Of course this is much easier to see if you use a cap which can be removed instead of the bifilar because you can't turn of the bifilar capacity...

My point is, although it accelerates when you add a load to a resonant setup, it's an illusion that it is a benefit. It's just that resonance was braking it heavily before you added the load, then the load nullifies resonance depending on its resistance, and once up to speed the result with or without cap is the same. It's not that the bifilar does some kind of magic here. It is very handy to have many bifilar strands to find the right coil wire length as Dave is doing.
But remember, if you have a bifilar with very high inductance and capacitance, the resonant point gets lower, meaning that you maybe running close to a resonant point without knowing it and are convinced you have achieved the delayed Lenz effect already...
I have also done another test to see if the bifilar on it's own would be a benefit. I made a coil with one wire and another coil with the exact same wire length but cut in half and wound bifilar series connected. The two coils had basically the same total number of turns and the same inductance, the bifilar had more capacitance, but its self resonant point was way too high to be of any influence in the test. The result was that they behaved exactly the same, meaning they show the neutral point (where the load doesn't slow down the rotor) at the same frequency.

I know this is not very easy to understand so read it again until you get it, but most of all don't believe me, do the tests yourself which is the only way to learn something. What I described I learned from my tests, but if someone else sees something else I'm always open to learn something new...

Mario

@Mario

Thanks Mario, this post should be taken note of by all and I am reading
it now. I will comment after I absorb it all. There is alot here. I hope
this mean we can work together from now on and I'll try not to ask you
a million questions. I have seen your responses in the past and you can
keep up with the advanced builders so I realize the value of your entries.

Let me think about this.I just took your picture.

[BroMikey]

What an awesome and open friendly exchange, this is an expression
well worth documenting. On one hand we have one point of view by
and experienced audio engineer (Like John Bedini) and on the other
side a man who is not book smart at all but follows the experiment.

One not better than the other, just open and honest with their separate
points of view based on the experiments they have conducted. I am
honored by you both and this is the right way to proceed in our
communications.

Let us show the world our talents together just like this.

Thank you for keeping me stirred up guys and for gracing my thread
with your presences.

Now having said that i am off to the winder, gonna wind this bad boy
up. 24 strands in all.

BTW I just took both of your picture.

Mario,
Here is what leads me to believe I have SUUL.

When I run my motor turning the rotor with no coil in place I get a specific amp draw and a specific RPM. I have placed a weight on the shaft that is the same weight as the rotor, and the amp draw and RPM's with that weight in place are the same as with the rotor in place, which leads me to believe that turning a rotor creates no phenomenon that I am not accounting for. When a coil pair is placed near the rotor, the amp draw of the motor goes up and the RPM's go down because of what I call "magnetic drag" which is not the proper term, but it is caused by trying to turn the magnets on the rotor past an iron core to which they are attracted and want to "lock" onto. With one coil pair. the "drag is not that great, but with six coil pair it is so great that without compensation, the motor is incapable of starting the rotor turning, and even if you break the lock and get it started, the amp draw far exceeds the recommended amp draw of the motor.

By adjusting the relationship between the coil pair and passing rotor I can get the amp draw to go back down to almost exactly where it was and the RPM to go up to almost where it was before the coil was added.

Now I add a load to the coil and the amp draw goes down to below what it was with no coil in place and the RPM goes up higher than what it was with no coil in place. Whether the load is a light bulb or an electric motor does not matter. And when the load is removed the amp draw goes back up and the RPM goes back down to the previous level.

The additional RPM's of the generator "under load" produce additional power. To see if this is significant I measure the output of the coil and then reduce the voltage input to achieve the same RPM's as I had before adding the coil. The coil output is GREATER at the higher RPM, obviously.

In summary, with these coils I can get more generated output for the same input or the same output for a reduced input. But to say they are of no use makes no sense to me. But I have an open mind so if you can point out the error in my testing method, I would SINCERELY appreciate it.

Hi Dave,

I don't think there's any error in your testing method at all. You are describing what you get with the delayed Lenz effect which I totally understand, including cogging (or magnetic drag) and everything. All I'm saying is that I don't think a bifilar coil has any advantage over a "normal" coil, other than providing a handy means for finding the right wire length / size through parallel-series strand combinations. I say this based on what I've seen, but maybe you can prove me wrong.

I'm also saying that if you have many strands in series the capacitance of the coil is much higher compared to an equal coil with same amount of turns but one continuous wire. This additional capacitance, if high enough, could mislead someone into believing he's seeing delayed Lenz effect, when in reality there's also resonance at play because of the way lower resonant frequency, like I've explained in my earlier post.

Mario

Mario,

Just let me throw out a couple things I have seen as I have worked on my generator over the last few years.

I've gotten nearly every coil I have built to speed up under load, but as you said, it depends on the frequency. As an example, one of my early coils was simply 3 strands of #23 each 800 ft long on a 3" diameter by 3 2/4 bobbin with a 3/4 " iron core. So three stands in parallel. Above 2800 rpm the pair of coils would cause speed up under load, but only if you matched the load to the coils. For instance, it would light one 300 watt bulb, but would not speed up under load. Connected to two bulbs it still would not, but when a 3rd bulb was added as load, it would. Now the coil pair did not put out enough voltage and amperage toget ANY light out of the three bulbs, but at least the motor would speed up.

Now take that exact same 2400 feet of wire and wind that same bobbin with 12 strands in parallel and connect six to six in series. NOW that same coil will speed up under load when connected to ANY load I put on it. THAT is the advantage I see of the parallel windings connected in series.

These are just my observations and may not be worth anything, but this is what I have seen.

[BroMikey]

There HAVE been people on this forum who have
given away the secrets of free energy, but unfortunately, the people who
were given those secrets didn't listen.

How many people listened closely enough to John B to build machines
that could charge all their batteries and eliminate the need for solar panels?

Dave

I can't put my finger on that but i do remember when John B was doing
video of his harbor freight panels and he was talking about hook ups.

Can you give me a few search words so I can find this? I have had so
many things on my mind that I can't find those video's right now.

Thanks Dave, I know there was at least one video I watched like what
you are talking about and at the time it went over my head in some
aspects mainly because his talk was not solely about that subject.

I remember the impulse technology pumping action where each time
you move power for one place to another you run it thru a load? Is
that what you are referring?

[BroMikey]

EFTV # 25 shows SIMPLE method of using coil collapse to charge batteries...................


Luckily I have ten more coils I can add in when they are correctly wound.

Oh yeah I have #25 E.nergy F.rom T.he V.acuum


I'll rerun that tonight I think I have #24 & #25

PS thought I was ready to wind but forgot about my guides still working
on set up.

[Wistiti]

Now take that exact same 2400 feet of wire and wind that same bobbin with 12 strands in parallel and connect six to six in series. NOW that same coil will speed up under load when connected to ANY load I put on it. THAT is the advantage I see of the parallel windings connected in series.

Dave, im pretty sure you know doing that (connecting parallel coils in serie) is one of the way to have as a result bucking (POC) coils...

Thanks for sharing it!

[Mario]

Mario,

Just let me throw out a couple things I have seen as I have worked on my generator over the last few years.

I've gotten nearly every coil I have built to speed up under load, but as you said, it depends on the frequency. As an example, one of my early coils was simply 3 strands of #23 each 800 ft long on a 3" diameter by 3 1/4 bobbin with a 3/4 " iron core. So three stands in parallel. Above 2800 rpm the pair of coils would cause speed up under load, but only if you matched the load to the coils. For instance, it would light one 300 watt bulb, but would not speed up under load. Connected to two bulbs it still would not, but when a 3rd bulb was added as load, it would. Now the coil pair did not put out enough voltage and amperage toget ANY light out of the three bulbs, but at least the motor would speed up.

Now take that exact same 2400 feet of wire and wind that same bobbin with 12 strands in parallel and connect six to six in series. NOW that same coil will speed up under load when connected to ANY load I put on it. THAT is the advantage I see of the parallel windings connected in series.

These are just my observations and may not be worth anything, but this is what I have seen.

Hi Dave,

if with six to six in series you mean six strands in series, in parallel with another six to six in series, then the result sounds very reasonable.
In your early coils the 2400 feet were divided into 3 parallel strands.
In your latest version the 2400 are divided into a setup which is equal to having 2400 divided into 2 parallel strands. This has a higher inductance compared to the first one, meaning the neutral point or even speed up happens at a lower speed, or at the same speed like before but allows for loads with higher resistance.

Mario

Mario

[Mario]

Hi all, made another video showing how the protruding ferrite tube core does not slow down the neo magnet rotor when the coil is shorted.
You can hear the rotor slowing down at the start, with just the air coil close to the rotor.
I can't seem to find anything about the N. Tesla generator device that may have used similar principals.
Seem to recall it was built for the model T of ford company.
I already checked with amp meter previously, to confirm the amps do not increase, when testing with protruding core.
Also, if the rotor is slowed down too much, then when using the protruding core method, i can hear it slow down slightly.
So the rotor does need a threshold speed, even with this method, though does not need a mile of copper.

https://youtu.be/QNMp9PDwEeg

peace love light

Oh and nice coil cores mike, did you make those.

Hi Skywatcher,

about the protruding end, I think this is what you meant:

https://www.google.ch/patents/US5244...7XBdYQ6AEIJjAA

As Erfinder pointed out a long time ago, a protruding end helps in shifting the phase of the response in the core with regards to the passing magnet, achieving the neutral point at even lower speeds, you loose a bit of power in the coil though, since it is farther away from the passing magnet. I find that all in all, having a protruding end that's not exaggerated helps.

Mario

[BroMikey]

24 Strand "C" Core Coil Winding Job


For your viewing pleasure. One 60 OZ Coil.

MIKEY STRIKES AGAIN

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