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  • And you are still the best that we have up, but no working example
    available. I learned much from you and am thankful. You must remember
    now and in the future that I want my 14 year to show everything and I
    won't subject him and others to belittling behavior

    Not everyone is as strong as us and besides is a bad example.

    It is time someone shows a working unit that goes with all of the blah
    blah blah. People want to see it working first, then you will get some
    investors. Jordan is barely a teenager, he don't care about investors.

    There are motors all over the web that use internal magnets added
    to cancel magnet pole locking. Been around 150 years. Not many will
    come right on and show you what they did inside that motor. Same
    thing with all free energy on the web, nobody gives. But of course
    they want to save the world.PLZ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Just a line of bull

    On the other hand you gave more than most. AAA+++ like I said
    you are the best so far.

    Now on to a working example. I am working on a teaching aid that shows
    the possibilities for magnetic alignment of composite iron oxide with
    additives. This aid helps to teach the lesser to get them up to speed
    before they reach 70 yrs of age. An aluminum mold will press composite
    as it is heated. magnets are placed to align the material.

    Hypothetical ideas are without meaning unless practical designs are
    shared. This is how to do it. It's all pie in the sky.

    What and how is quite different than "JUST DO IT" We can not expect
    everyone to be a mechanic and scientist, and a Chemist and an inventor
    plus a master rigger, these are talents possessed by the collective.

    Everyone must share their gift or nothing gets off the ground.

    .................................................. .....

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    • Hi all, Hi Bromikey, I feel compelled to respond, because that was a relatively fair and balanced observation of the situation mike.
      I can't really knock turion, because compared to the rest of humanity, etc., he has shared a good amount of information, that many would not share without something in return and for that I am grateful.

      I think I figured out that saying, ' No good deed goes unpunished'.
      I thnik that is said, because the systems of this matrix reality, do not like good deeds or do gooders.
      It likes people that think only of themselves and maybe their immediate family.
      These matrix systems celebrate when we refuse to share freely and when we are in fear of not having enough of what we need in the next moment.
      Which is precisely why things are set up the way they are, to prevent the giving, the selfless giving that would neutralize those systems in the blink of an eye or like a thief in the night, wink wink.
      I'm fairly familiar with the teachings of jesus and at this point in my life, I see exactly why certain wisdom was shared.
      He was able to forsee these days of division, that have been fostered by this matrix system around us.

      The original Willy Wonka movie, truly was trying to show us to let go and have faith and the keys to the higher worlds of creation will be given, places where these matrix systems of division are not allowed to be created.
      peace love light

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      • Glad you young guys are still there and I am sorry I was ever part
        of being a task master, driving folks to work projects. People are
        what they are and just need to offer what they can without being
        slaughtered for their views.

        better times ahead.

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        • I can see why Turion uses a conventional motor to run his generator
          heads. The significant part of this video is in the showing of the running
          temp of the motor casing.

          Jordan has not done any runs yet with the modified motor which burns
          up a bunch of energy in lots and lots of heat.

          [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbnyCIaGUns[/VIDEO]

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          • Jordan's school work = 3 battery generator systems


            [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ81ODSrV1M[/VIDEO]

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            • Jordan does 4 more runs but using 2 motors in parallel to increase
              the amp draw a little bit. I have some tiny pumps so maybe we might
              see if we could use some of this wasted mechanical. Not sure yet.

              [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE3J1ZnEABs[/VIDEO]
              Last edited by BroMikey; 10-10-2018, 06:13 AM.

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              • Faithful Turion

                Glad you pop in now and again. I don't have anyone to rattle their
                chain. I mean nobody, I mean nobody looks at this stuff with much
                understanding as to what it is. I always say they are like a calf staring
                at a new fence the farmer just put up.

                What is amazing to me is how little you can find on the subject, like
                say on youtube or anywhere else. You da man Mister Turion. You got
                me in a good mood today>

                Now, lets get down to business, if you don't mind. I was thinking that
                wouldn't it be nice for Jordan to just leave his motor the way it is for
                now while he is doing runs, I don't want to blow his mind just yet. Soooo...
                I was thinking about my small pumps to see how much water we could
                move for one experiment.

                It might be easier to mount 1 generator coil and then use the opposing
                magnet patent approach to see if we could sponge off small amounts
                of power WITHOUT dragging down his slow moving rig. We not much.

                The modified motor burned up boo-koo amounts of heat, this drains
                the batteries down, I mean it gets hot hot. So much heat is lost that
                I had to drill holes in it just so I don't burn my hand. It acts as a good
                heater for the room, if you want to count that?

                I burnt the zhit out of brushes more than once so it does not give
                Jordan a controlled environment so he can have stable results. We
                will be doing that, don't get me wrong, it's just not on the rush menu.

                The magnetic cancellation experiment are more appealing to me for
                Jordan at this time.

                Here are some thoughts.

                My rotors at all hand drilled, no CNC accuracy of 1 tens of 1 thousandths
                or anything close. Some of the holes are drilled as much as 1mm off.
                The little rotor is still just sitting here with magnets that can be forced
                in and out of their sockets, if you work hard. I like the way they sit and
                how we can set them all north on one side and all south poles on the
                other. This would allow Jordan to use one coil to generator and then
                play with opposing or counteractive magnets on the other side. What I
                was about to say when I talked about holes being drilled with low accuracy
                was that the opposing magnets could be bigger around, more powerful
                and then much much further away leaving more flexibility for adjustment.

                Safer too, just something fun to try.

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                • Yes I agree, there is much to be learned about magnetic neutralization
                  that has captivated my thoughts. Using just the neutralization approach
                  should be enough to go over 1 on the cop. Great testing. Thx so much
                  for all your help. I could never have done any of this without you.

                  I'll be back. I stole the terminator's line.

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                  • Plz read carefully and do some mental cataloging. Core material
                    science is not a new subject. It came about in the early 1900's
                    other or additional finding that came later are often processes that
                    make the core for a lower cost. For our projects there is a target
                    frequency so look below to find the mix. Let me help you, look for
                    the word PERMALLOY. What is posted below is out of the web collection
                    of facts given to us by the A.I.

                    One thing is certain, iron composite core material does not qualify as a
                    functioning part for transformers. YOU MUST USE OTHER METALS

                    Further in order to get the particulate close together you should know
                    that more than one idea exists. Heat, pressure, yes but lets not forget
                    about the oxide coating on each and every particle just sitting around in
                    a bag. Also different amounts of oxides might form on each individual
                    piece, randomly. We can not allow this

                    The core material must be controlled.

                    ACIDS ETCH

                    Diluted acids clean the oxides OFF. Magnet alignment is a must.

                    If you look deep enough magnet alignment can be achieved and is in
                    many different ways. You must get all the pieces of the puzzle first
                    and then use small amounts to create your samples, say a 1/4" dia
                    rod by 1" long.

                    Each tiny rod can be wound with 42awg wire using a cordless drill, then
                    you can view your success or failure on a scope.












                    Vitreous metal

                    Amorphous metal is a variety of alloys (e.g. Metglas) that are non-crystalline or glassy. These are being used to create high-efficiency transformers. The materials can be highly responsive to magnetic fields for low hysteresis losses, and they can also have lower conductivity to reduce eddy current losses. China is currently making widespread industrial and power grid usage of these transformers for new installations.
                    Powdered metals

                    Powder cores consist of metal grains mixed with a suitable organic or inorganic binder, and pressed to desired density. Higher density is achieved with higher pressure and lower amount of binder. Higher density cores have higher permeability, but lower resistance and therefore higher losses due to eddy currents. Finer particles allow operation at higher frequencies, as the eddy currents are mostly restricted to within the individual grains. Coating of the particles with an insulating layer, or their separation with a thin layer of a binder, lowers the eddy current losses. Presence of larger particles can degrade high-frequency performance. Permeability is influenced by the spacing between the grains, which form distributed air gap; the less gap, the higher permeability and the less-soft saturation. Due to large difference of densities, even a small amount of binder, weight-wise, can significantly increase the volume and therefore intergrain spacing.

                    Lower permeability materials are better suited for higher frequencies, due to balancing of core and winding losses.

                    The surface of the particles is often oxidized and coated with a phosphate layer, to provide them with mutual electrical insulation.
                    Iron

                    Powdered iron is the cheapest material. It has higher core loss than the more advanced alloys, but this can be compensated for by making the core bigger; it is advantageous where cost is more important than mass and size. Saturation flux of about 1 to 1.5 tesla. Relatively high hysteresis and eddy current loss, operation limited to lower frequencies (approx. below 100 kHz). Used in energy storage inductors, DC output chokes, differential mode chokes, triac regulator chokes, chokes for power factor correction, resonant inductors, and pulse and flyback transformers.[4]

                    The binder used is usually epoxy or other organic resin, susceptible to thermal aging. At higher temperatures, typically above 125 °C, the binder degrades and the core magnetic properties may change. With more heat-resistant binders the cores can be used up to 200 °C.[5]

                    Iron powder cores are most commonly available as toroids. Sometimes as E, EI, and rods or blocks, used primarily in high-power and high-current parts.

                    Carbonyl iron is significantly more expensive than hydrogen-reduced iron.
                    Carbonyl iron
                    Main article: carbonyl iron

                    Powdered cores made of carbonyl iron, a highly pure iron, have high stability of parameters across a wide range of temperatures and magnetic flux levels, with excellent Q factors between 50 kHz and 200 MHz. Carbonyl iron powders are basically constituted of micrometer-size spheres of iron coated in a thin layer of electrical insulation. This is equivalent to a microscopic laminated magnetic circuit (see silicon steel, above), hence reducing the eddy currents, particularly at very high frequencies. Carbonyl iron has lower losses than hydrogen-reduced iron, but also lower permeability.

                    A popular application of carbonyl iron-based magnetic cores is in high-frequency and broadband inductors and transformers, especially higher power ones.

                    Carbonyl iron cores are often called "RF cores".

                    The as-prepared particles, "E-type"and have onion-like skin, with concentric shells separated with a gap. They contain significant amount of carbon. They behave as much smaller than what their outer size would suggest. The "C-type" particles can be prepared by heating the E-type ones in hydrogen atmosphere at 400 °C for prolonged time, resulting in carbon-free powders.[6]
                    Hydrogen-reduced iron

                    Powdered cores made of hydrogen reduced iron have higher permeability but lower Q than carbonyl iron. They are used mostly for electromagnetic interference filters and low-frequency chokes, mainly in switched-mode power supplies.

                    Hydrogen-reduced iron cores are often called "power cores".
                    MPP (molypermalloy)

                    An alloy of about 2% molybdenum, 81% nickel, and 17% iron. Very low core loss, low hysteresis and therefore low signal distortion. Very good temperature stability. High cost. Maximum saturation flux of about 0.8 tesla. Used in high-Q filters, resonant circuits, loading coils, transformers, chokes, etc.[4]


                    The material was first introduced in 1940, used in loading coils to compensate capacitance in long telephone lines. It is usable up to about 200 kHz to 1 MHz, depending on vendor.[5] It is still used in above-ground telephone lines, due to its temperature stability. Underground lines, where temperature is more stable, tend to use ferrite cores due to their lower cost.[6]
                    High-flux (Ni-Fe)

                    An alloy of about 50%-50% of nickel and iron. High energy storage, saturation flux density of about 1.5 tesla. Residual flux density near zero. Used in applications with high DC current bias (line noise filters, or inductors in switching regulators) or where low residual flux density is needed (e.g. pulse and flyback transformers, the high saturation is suitable for unipolar drive), especially where space is constrained. The material is usable up to about 200 kHz.[4]
                    Last edited by BroMikey; 10-13-2018, 10:14 PM.

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                    • Contamination of Iron Oxide

                      Read here about uncontrolled iron oxide soil contaminates.

                      https://scitechdaily.com/direct-obse...in-iron-oxide/

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                      • Custom Magnetite/Ferrite Experiments?


                        Hello
                        I am really interested in knowing what your results were with the magnetite/ferrite testing in your awesome thread posts...
                        Splitting The Positive

                        It seems that is where a lot of people are hung up right now for long term use, their stuff is overheating and if it overheats too much as Turion said it will melt the enameling and ruin the results, but at what ratio, nobody seems to know.

                        I've contacted 15+ different providers of ferrite and nobody makes 3/4" diamater x 3 1/4" length cores so it will have to be made. I saw a guide on youtube where he pours it into a silicon shell and it comes out great. So I am stuck on the formula now and ingredients.

                        I did a lot of digging and research on this topic online and there is a thread post where one person said...
                        Magnetite transformer cores.

                        "I've tried using magnetite in a transformer configuration once. I had very poor results. Its permeability is too low in my opinion."

                        And someone responded with a link to two posts...
                        http://www.energeticforum.com/191767-post4638.html
                        http://www.energeticforum.com/191769-post4639.html

                        "Hey guys, I have some experience with Magnetite,black sand, Fe304, Pure Fe304, the deco stuff, just about all versions. If you get the right stuff it has some very good characteristics, It is an AMORPHOUS, which basically means that is magnetic but not conductive, so there are no eddy currents and very low losses. It can switch a very high freq. well into the Mhz.
                        and works well at low freq. It is not as permeable as ferrite or iron, but it much better than air. It can molded into any size or shape, it is very cheap and easy to find. The stuff you want is Prospecting black sand that has already been "pulled" for gold. They separate the gold from the sand with magnet tools, so the left over sand is purely magnetic with small traces of other magnetic material. You can get this from Ebay, DONT confuse with sand with gold that you buy to prospect yourself."

                        "Pure Fe304 that is produced for pigments and ink is does not work work at all. It is gound to fine and losses its randomness and permeability drops. The deco stuff is not worth your effort."


                        So I am wondering if that brand version of it you bought worked well as I read it was very fine particles. If so that would be great because it's more easily attainable on places like Amazon as well.

                        I saw online there are online calculators on ferrite versus number of turns and how there is all this science behind having the right core and I think eventually this is something I need to learn and figure out.

                        There is a post by Allen Burgess in a thread where he shares something interesting, not sure if he is being truthful but nobody is paying attention to his long thread where he posts by himself non-stop. He is making it sound like based on his ferrite ratio, it's like getting more coil on his machine in output...
                        Mechanical Magnetic Torque Amplifier

                        "The finished coil and high perm ferrite core measures .121 Henrys. The air core was 73 mH.

                        I emptied the two bags of equal weight Iron powder and Magnatite powder in the large section of a three section Tupperware tray and blended them; I then emptied the entire two tubes of metal epoxy (Locktite) in a second tray and mixed them in a third, then packed the dry slurry into the coil core. Everything came out perfect. I then threw everything in the trash including two metal dining spoons.

                        The increase in inductance equals 48 mH. That's a 66% or a 2/3 increase in inductance. That equals a lot of wire!"

                        Sorry for the long post but all this stuff is very interesting to me. I hope your day is going well with your research and experiments.

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                        • Hi BroMikey,

                          Have you seen these offers here? they do not have the exact sizes you need but you may be able to make trade offs in bobbin sizes:
                          (903) 383-7047 Stormwise Ferrite Rods Core permeabilities are included.

                          Another possibility would be to stack several smaller sized ferrite rods, like shown here:
                          Loop Ferrite Rod Antenna for MW

                          At ebay you can find many choices for ferrite rods with known permeability values too so you could assemble your cores by stacking them both next to each other (radially) and also place length wise the stacked ones close to each other.
                          No problem magnetically that you would not have a solid continuous single core but a multiple stacked one.
                          See such offer from a random search https://www.ebay.com/itm/253602531263
                          that would approach your size by stacking 3 or 4 in their radial direction and then place two more such stackings length wise to get near to the needed 3 inch long core and near to the 3/4 inch OD.

                          Gyula

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                          • thx Gyula

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                            • Low temp composite Nickel Ferrites


                              https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...=1&oi=scholart

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                              • Metglas ribbon for winding transformer cores.

                                I just need to find the right one for 20khz somewhere in the audio
                                range might work. This way for about $70 - $100 I can custom
                                make a "C" core the way I want it.

                                Al I need is the approx. mix in tape form.

                                https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/amo...s-2605sa1.html

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