100W capacitive wireless power transfer with Tesla coil

[BSpg]

"When is connected the incandescent bulb 60W instead of the motor, I got an interesting result - max 80.6W (260V and 0.31A)".

Was it lighting up as bright as a grid powered 60w bulb, when drawing 80W?

I can not tell you exactly, it seems to me that the lights a little brighter. In any case, I will once again make a test and let you know the result.

I can only say that I am at a presentation intentionally set maximum power. 40W incandescent bulbs is so strongly glowed brilliant white light that people asked me to cut the power. I wondered that the bulb is not burned out. It was obvious that the bulb glows stronger than a 100-watt bulb at normal load.

[Nick_Z]

BSpg:
It would help to place a normal 60 or 100w bulb that is lit by the grid, next to the one lit by on your device, and make a new video showing that.

What I've always seen is that it's not easy to light a 100w bulb full brightness, by wireless, at any use able distance from the source.
Nor is it more economical to do so, compared to the grid. So, what's the point?

Tesla was not trying to light a bulb a couple of feet away. He was trying to use the ground to transmit electricity miles away. This without any diminishing of the energy received due to distance.
So far, I've neither seen nor heard of any one making or showing any such thing. Again, for more that a few feet away from the source.
I know that people have to start somewhere, but, that is usually where it ends, also. With no further progress towards what Tesla was really trying to accomplish, to electrify the world. Nor even to be able to make their device self run, either.

[SlickDick]

What I've always seen is that it's not easy to light a 100w bulb full brightness, by wireless, at any use able distance from the source.
Nor is it more economical to do so, compared to the grid. So, what's the point?

The point is to understand. Reading papers or writings on the web only lead to assumption while practice gives true knowledge.

Tesla was not trying to light a bulb a couple of feet away. He was trying to use the ground to transmit electricity miles away. This without any diminishing of the energy received due to distance.
So far, I've neither seen nor heard of any one making or showing any such thing. Again, for more that a few feet away from the source.
I know that people have to start somewhere, but, that is usually where it ends, also. With no further progress towards what Tesla was really trying to accomplish, to electrify the world. Nor even to be able to make their device self run, either.

The main problem is funding. Tesla's idea's where grand, hence why he needed grand checks from investors to realize them.

Check out the work of Ernst:

Wardenclyffe 2b - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzT4pG0Bnyo
Earth Resonance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJylD7xpEiU
Ground Transmission and Vacuum tubes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxbWLCetqg

Also see this thread http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ions-pass.html
And this movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBhVDcZwAls

Now you have heard of a man making and showing such a thing.

[Nick_Z]

I'm aware of what Tesla did, or last least tried to do, but was never able to finish. But, I'm not aware of anyone else, replicating his results.
Not just lighting bulbs a near distance away, in what looks like a rather lossy Tesla coil system. Showing no input to output measurements.
Who else has been able to send power to a remote area, by using wireless.
Or even to the house next door?
What I've seen are just guys replications drawing more power from a Tesla coil type set up, than they are able to output to a load. Other than this device, (below). Which can also self run.
It does look like a Tesla contraption, or Kapanadze type of device, to me.
Using a simple Kacher as the only input source, with up to 4000W output.
If true...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrvAvp_dmlU

[BSpg]

The point is to understand. Reading papers or writings on the web only lead to assumption while practice gives true knowledge.



The main problem is funding. Tesla's idea's where grand, hence why he needed grand checks from investors to realize them.

Check out the work of Ernst:

Wardenclyffe 2b - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzT4pG0Bnyo
Earth Resonance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJylD7xpEiU
Ground Transmission and Vacuum tubes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxbWLCetqg

Also see this thread http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ions-pass.html
And this movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBhVDcZwAls

Now you have heard of a man making and showing such a thing.

Hi SlickDick,

Thank you for this. These links I find very useful.



Spigel

[BSpg]

Hi Ernst,

I'm wery surprised with your great work.

Finally someone is doing the correct replica of Tesla Magnifying Transmitter. Thanks for the detailed description.
In any case, I will take enough time to study it all, because I think that you through the work gained useful knowledge and experience.


Good luck and thanks,

Spigel

[Ernst]

Thanks Slick and BSpg!

Though perhaps not immediately applicable here, you may also like this one on the generation of >1MV high voltages.


Ernst.

[Nick_Z]

Ernst:
And were you able to transmit anything (through the ground) at a distance, of more than just a few feet?
What are your input to output readings.

[BSpg]

Thanks Slick and BSpg!

Though perhaps not immediately applicable here, you may also like this one on the generation of >1MV high voltages.

Ernst.

Hi, Ernst

You have a very impressive result, which I find very interesting.

I am also interested in Tesla's works, which I already studying for quite a while.
I did a lot of attention to Tesla extra coil, which Tesla demanded to freely oscillate in order to achieve maximum results. I see you were so executed.
Free oscillations of extra coil is clearly one of the most important elements of amplification in Tesla's wireless transmission.


I began to study your work and some details I especially like. I begin to draw some parallels with my work and experience.


An interesting question that you asked:

--quote

The problem that we are now facing is that the resonance in the secondary is disturbed by
the coupling to the primary, which makes the energy move back and forth between these
coils. There are two ways to solve this.

• by making the secondary in a conical or flat spiral shape, reducing the coupling with
most of the coil
• by adding an extra coil that is not magnetically coupled

--end quote

I would only add that the capacitive coupling due to the high voltage can have enormous influence even much higher than inductive coupling.
Basic Tesla’s Experiments (Part 2) – Capacitive Coupling Wireless Power Transmission – SpigelLab


In my experiments L3 is not coupled inductive nor capacitive.
Basic Tesla’s Experiments (Part 1) – 100W Wireless Transmission without Ground Connection – SpigelLab

It can be considered something like the extra coil at Tesla's system. It oscillates freely and thus achieve very good results especially if the coil has a good Q.
L3 is excited only by the standing wave. Frequency of wave is matched to the resonant frequency of the coil L3.

I noticed that the moving distance between L1 and L3 happening different cases that can be very interesting. By changing the distance is changed mutual influence (coupling) which is mainly capacitive. Also happening different cases when changing top load capacity. Everything depends on the standing wave. That's what I now study.

In some cases, it gets the impression that most of the energy is concentrated in the L3 or that extra energy comes from outside.

My circuit (3CT) is similar to the circuit - Resonant circuit with open capacitor - from Prof. Dr.-Ing. Konstantin Meyl

http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliter...alar-Waves.pdf

Perhaps a test result that I perform serve as confirmation of his conclusion:

- Quote - Dr. Meyl
The measured degree of effectiveness lies despite the exchange at 1000 percent. If
the law of conservation of energy should not be violated, then only one
interpretation is left:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The open capacitor withdraws field energy from its environment.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Without consideration of this circumstance does the error deviation of
every conventional model calculation lie at more than 90 percent. There one rather
should do without the calculation.
- End of quote

Ah .. I wanted to write something short but ...



Spigel

[Ernst]

Ernst:
And were you able to transmit anything (through the ground) at a distance, of more than just a few feet?
What are your input to output readings.

Yes, almost 50 meters. Perhaps it would be possible to increase the distance even further, but I do not have so many ground pins (15-17 m deep).
The signal strength input/output ratio is extremely high: input pulses of a couple of MW result in output pulses of less than 1 W. It only proves that it is possible, contrary to what is commonly believed.
To make this system efficient, you need to create a standing wave in the Earth and to do that I need more power. Which is being arranged BTW.

BSpg, I will respond to you later, but I can say one thing already: Be very careful with the work of Meyl, it contains numerous errors and false assumptions. (as mentioned on this forum a number of times already)


Ernst

[Ernst]

@ BSpg,

The addition of L3 in your experiment improves your results for exactly the reasons that you write about first, the standing wave and the free L3.
If you replace L3 by just a ground you'll get weaker effects because the ground does not respond in the same rhythm as your receiver coil. So L3 enhances the effect.
This is not extra energy coming from space, it is just resonant action.

Mmm, I thought this was going to be a much longer response .



Ernst.

[BSpg]

@ BSpg,

The addition of L3 in your experiment improves your results for exactly the reasons that you write about first, the standing wave and the free L3.
If you replace L3 by just a ground you'll get weaker effects because the ground does not respond in the same rhythm as your receiver coil. So L3 enhances the effect.
This is not extra energy coming from space, it is just resonant action.

Mmm, I thought this was going to be a much longer response .



Ernst.

Hi Ernst,

Thank regarding Dr. Meyl.


I thought the answer would be simple. After testing the device, I could not bring a clear conclusion.

As the load I used incandescent bulb.
With bulb I wanted to compare these two examples (with L3 or connection to the ground), but it is not so easy. The reason is impedance matching.

If instead of L3 connect to ground, significantly changing relationships. This means that it is now a different impedance matching and can easily bring the wrong conclusion.

If the lamp is lit stronger, does not mean that it was a large influx of energy, but it may be that this is a good impedance matching. And vice-versa.
It is possible to see in my last video :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ7J04Tr80A

In addition I intend to compare the current coil L3 (thin wires) with new L3 (thick wire - the same L - higher Q).



Spigel

[Nick_Z]

I don't know if you've seen my last video, just in case, I'll post it below.

The idea was to just use the Kacher circuit to test the interaction of the receiving coil, which becomes an inductor, that also transfers the pulses to the output coil and bulbs. I'm using 24v, 10amp PS, for theses tests.
The Kacher circuit is using about 2 amps of the 10 amps from the PS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpS7noQZ7DQ

[BSpg]

I don't know if you've seen my last video, just in case, I'll post it below.

The idea was to just use the Kacher circuit to test the interaction of the receiving coil, which becomes an inductor, that also transfers the pulses to the output coil and bulbs. I'm using 24v, 10amp PS, for theses tests.
The Kacher circuit is using about 2 amps of the 10 amps from the PS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpS7noQZ7DQ

Hi Nik_Z,

Very interesting video. However circuit seems quite complicated and I do not know the logic of the device.

Thanks,
Spigel

[Nick_Z]

Hi Nik_Z,

Very interesting video. However circuit seems quite complicated and I do not know the logic of the device.

Thanks,
Spigel

The circuit in the video is part of the Akula/Ruslan replication. My version of it, so far. But, I'm testing to see if I can manage to see something special by just using the Kacher crt as the only input source, to see what it can do by itself. At that point it's just a test. There was no induction circuit connected along with the Kacher circuit, on that video. Just the Kacher circuit working to partially light a 100w bulb.
I'm also trying to see how Roma does it in his video, (that I posted previously), by trying combining something similar on my own set up.
The idea is a self running system. Or at least trying to find how Roma has done it. Roma's previous video, (prior to his self runner video) shows 4000 kWs of output. So, about 24w input to the Kacher crt, and showing about 4000w output, from a 12v car battery/Kacher circuit. We don't know if the car battery will be discharged, or how long it will take. But, that's not important once he got it self running with no battery, shown on his last video.
That Poma circuit(s) are much simpler to replicate than anything that Don Smith ever came up with, and it has higher output, as well.