Split Positive Boost Charger

[BroMikey]

Here is the compressed version of what I learned from John Bedini
by watching many videos many times.

Clean cell add ALUM = Nothing ZEERO Well you might get a little
something in a blue moon.

Discharge the battery down to "0" no volts and reverse the charge to
release the sulfation. This reverse charge is very small.

If you and others have never heard of reverse charging I can refer you
to John's Video's of the TESLA CHARGERS. His machines do it all.

What is all? They load test the battery and if the battery fails that test
machine puts a load on the pack and drains it out and then reverse charges
for only a few minutes at a very small amount of power.

Then the machine waits. Next the pure DC (in your case) is applied at a
constant current to form the plates with the NEW solution. Now the machines use the warm DC pulses to do bulk charging and at the end
a spiking of very low power keeps the battery floated and clean.

In our case the ALUM forming process requires many charges and
discharges. Powerful discharges also can help to shed the old lattice
network when acid dominated the battery but do not go over board.

In one episode John showed two pieces of sheet lead cut from like
lead roofing and stuck the strips down into solutions. One bath made
of ALUM and the other ACID.

The material created on the surface reveals the secret of why the ALUM
process under the influence of the pulse charging is a far superior way
of making batteries. High density is the word for plates that are a much
finer etched pathways to harbor the stored energy.

If large battery chargers using raw DC are dumped into the battery the
plates that were pulse charged will lose their surface slowly. But you are
not at that point yet. First form the battery and discharge it way down
and then up again using a substantial load bank.

Trickle charge for 20 hours then discharge the first time using a 4 amp
car headlamp. Then put 2 or 3 head lamps on it for 1 minute stop for
3 minutes and do it again. Do your discharging in high med and low loading
in segments. Make sure the battery is down to 10volts then trickle
charge for 20 hours.

Once you have done 4 or 5 cycles you are in a new world. THEN you can
cap dump it or GenMode warm pulse it or spike mode the battery to lower
the internal resistance.

You can not go back to raw DC. Keep hitting that battery with pulses
and if it falls back down go back to a trickle of DC and continue forming
again. You are in a fight to keep the battery voltage up without using
a 30amp car charger to do it.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi mike, thanks for sharing.
I'm curious if you have tried the 3 battery system with salt batteries and if so, what kind of results did you get.

My 3 batteries are still charging in parallel, i have them on a schumacher at 2 amp setting overnight, each is around 13.7 volts so far.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

Hi mike, thanks for sharing.
I'm curious if you have tried the 3 battery system with salt batteries and if so, what kind of results did you get.

My 3 batteries are still charging in parallel, i have them on a schumacher at 2 amp setting overnight, each is around 13.7 volts so far.
peace love light

That is what ALUM is, it is a double salt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alum


Here is an ALUM salt chunk



You can make a battery many ways but if you don't get that battery
voltage up over 15v very soon the acid sulfates will creep and your
brand new battery will be a 5ah battery very soon.

Mine all went "UP IN SMOKE" Cheech and Chong would have been proud.

These salt batteries sulfate much less. Yes I use salts not acid and it
works better for recovering a battery that has lost charge over night.

To give you an idea of my confusion here it how I started. The auto
parts store (Back in the 90's) was having a battery clear out. A full size
battery for an auto was only $20 so I bought a bunch.

Next I pulled out my inverter and connected two 60watt light bulbs and
this was the light that I used at night to read by for 5 nights in a row
each night 5 hrs.

After that I charged the brand new batteries back up again. When the
alarm went off I charged the batteries back again and I did this 3 times.

I noticed I wasn't able to run my light as long the 3rd time so I charged it
for 2 days. Next I ran the lights and the alarm went off the second night.

So now I really charged up this battery (no more trickle) going to the
shop and getting the 30 amp unit. Nothing I did restored that battery
it was totally ruined never to work again so I figured that one bad plate
or maybe a bad batch so I got more.

3 discharges and my batteries were scrap and my buddies were raising hell
with me when I told them that I wanted to borrow THEIR batteries to test
with. They of course wanted to know what I did with the $150 worth
of clearance I had told them about. After I told them I lost them they
would not lend me their's

Good thing because I was ruining a battery in a few days. Then I went
to marine batteries and they lasted a tiny bit longer. Any time you run
down a start battery to say 12 volts you will damage the insides, those
batteries are designed to only offer the user 3 percent of their power
right off the top instantaneously with one big blast of current.

After that the battery must be charged up again or damage with occur.
This 3 percent figure is given in battery design data sheets from the
companies who make them.

The cold cranking amps of 1000amps over a several minute period of
time is how the calculation is made so I think you get the idea. Up next
to a deep cycle battery I wouldn't give you a nickel for a start battery
when used as a back up power source.

Now IF you buy a $250 battery that starts cars and runs boat trolling
motors that is a different type of battery called a marine battery also
but you pay dearly for it and you must go to a special store.

Yes I like salt batteries they are far more user friendly than ACID.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi mike, thanks for sharing.
So, did you use your successful salt batteries on a 3 battery system, that is my question, i'm not questioning if salt batteries in general work, i have seen they do.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

Hi mike, thanks for sharing.
So, did you use your successful salt batteries on a 3 battery system,
that is my question, i'm not questioning if salt batteries in general work,
i have seen they do.
peace love light

Oh

Yes last night I set up 4 more batteries of a different flavor, these babies
float right up to 15.5v without a 250amp roll around. These
batteries are the good ones. So I ran into the back and got my 3M
(Modified Matt Motor)

First you should know that I have upgraded my cables to 50 amp lead
wires and I am now using 4 batteries as was specified as a beginning
test. Each battery terminal has a 50 amp wire leading up to a panel with
8 bolts and nuts so there jumpers can be used to rotate batteries.

It is a long slow process taking 3-5 minutes.

The system result has improved in that the motor turned for several hours
and the battery voltages went up a tiny bit. So I will finish the treadmill
motor and decide on some form of generator section to finish this small
test. Maybe a gear reduced printer stepper motor.

But i would rather go Thane Heins way so I am contemplating using the
serpentine belt that goes on this treadmill motor flywheel and set it up to
quickly change out a number of motors/generators.

I only went on a 3-4 hr run last night at which point I had an upset
stomach from the faint order it produces. I am turning into a sissy in my
old age. I ran the inverter off the charge battery for a few and the ending voltage is still higher than when i began.

You'll be the first to hear the coming reports

[SkyWatcher]

Hi mike, thanks for sharing the information.
That sounds like a good idea, big thick cables to reduce losses and the posts for easier rotating.
15.5 volts floating, is that too high a charging voltage, then again they are salt batteries, so maybe not.
My batteries are all equalized and are sitting at 13.03 volts after 6 hours, they have not had that high of a standing voltage that i have seen before.
I wonder if daves and my previous circuit helped boost their standing voltages.

I look forward to your motor/generator experimenting results, wherever you post them.
I changed my oscillator circuit a little bit.
I am using non-modified 6 watt ecosmart led bulbs in parallel across the collector and emitter of transistor.(boost converter style)
This way, the energy flowing through the primary coil, goes to the charge battery as normal and the coil spike is also going through the led bulbs and into the charge battery, yet again.
A large difference can be seen in the charging of charge battery, compared to running modified led bulbs off the secondary of oscillator.
And yet, the primary series batteries can be seen to lose the same rate of voltage, compared to secondary use, so more efficient.
Of course, now that each battery is just about fully charged, the charge battery shoots up to 15 or more volts quickly.
What do you think is the highest voltage one should charge these flooded 12 volt tractor batteries to.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

15.5 volts floating, is that too high a charging voltage, then again they are salt batteries, so maybe not.
My batteries are all equalized and are sitting at 13.03 volts after 6 hours

Absolute superior battery and yes 15.5v is great compared to the
average person charging up to 14v if that. At about 16v you can run
only a short time and you will be boiling but some boil at 15.2v.

It is the cold boil that the pulsed spike gives that will increase surface
area and thus capacity in AH. All that means is you will need to put more
energy into the battery in the form of joules. Takes longer to charge.

Yes yes the pulsing of all kinds offer spikes when coils are present.

Sounds like your battery is way past what I thought

On the generator section I think I'll take some of these "C" Ferite cores
off of a bunch of fly-backs I have and wind a very thin very long bi-filar
winding say .04" at 800 feet all across the core. Then get some magnets
drilled into a rotor spaced to match the two ends of the "C" core.

To do that I will have to gear up to get the RPM's so that is a long shot.

Hummm... maybe just an axial flux type flat plate? I don't
know for sure yet. I need to buy an RPM meter so I know what my motors
are running first.


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[SkyWatcher]

Hi mike, thanks for sharing.
The axial flat plate sounds interesting, i made an air core coil axial motor, with 2 magnet rotors on each side previously.
That motor was very efficient, maybe it would be good as a generator.

I made a drawing of the circuit i am testing now, it is based on the circuit you shared from daves guidance.
Though the charge battery is climbing way too fast, being fully charged already.
Another boost converter connected to charge battery back to series batteries, as mat and dave have shown might be needed.
Just not sure if discharging and charging the series primaries is good for them or not.
peace love light

Edit: revised circuit, removed base capacitor and added diode off collector, this reduced heat in transistor, more bifilar turns may be needed, depending on amp rating of transistor, to prevent excess heating.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, i decided to switch back to the dual battery setup, even though the 3 battery system has promising results, i looked back at the numbers of the dragon circuit and it appears better with the parts i am using.
So, the difference is, i am using the circuitry on the left in last circuit drawing i posted and only 2 batteries, an input battery and a charge battery.
Already, i can see much better charging at a similar input as previously.
The difference between the last dual battery circuit, is this one is taking the coil spike and routing it directly through led bulbs, into charge battery.
Which should make this version more efficient.
I will post the circuit sometime today.
peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, here is the circuit i'm working with at the moment.
peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, i've been working with this circuit, currently topping up batteries for a fresh round of test runs, since the batteries were low from previous tests.
I feel compelled to post this for your consideration, i am not religious, though people i know have told me this story and i think it is worthy of sharing.

The Parable of the Rich Fool

13 Someone in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.”
14 Jesus replied, “Man, who appointed me a judge or an arbiter between you?” 15 Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.”
16 And he told them this parable: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest. 17 He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’
18 “Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. 19 And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.”’
20 “But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’
21 “This is how it will be with whoever stores up things for themselves but is not rich toward God.”

peace love light

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, im getting pretty decent results so far.
Running circuit for 1 hour, then rotating batteries in this dual battery system.
Circuit is drawing 12.5 watts and i'm only losing between .04-.06 volts total, both batteries combined, each hour of runtime.
I've ran the circuit for 4 hours so far, i'll have to look at the 3 battery data i have and see how it compares.
I will continue running tests with this dual battery system.
comments appreciated.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

Hi folks, i've been working with this circuit, currently topping up batteries for a fresh round of test runs, since the batteries were low from previous tests.
I feel compelled to post this for your consideration, i am not religious, though people i know have told me this story and i think it is worthy of sharing.



peace love light

Hey Sky
The Rich man parable is a very interesting thought and Abraham was very
RICH but he shared his wealth creating a system of equality based on the
work ethic. That is different from the other type of RICH man who could be
simply a young person. Youth is considered RICHES. But in one case the RICH YOUNG RULER was unwilling to give up or share and in another case left a beggar for dead right at his front door watching the dogs have more compassion for him by licking his open wounds for lack of proper supplies
for hygiene.

Equality can only come when each person lends themselves as a working to
the effort at hand. A helping hand as an initial kindness to see if sincerity is
present, after that the scripture is clear. YOU DON"T WORK? YOU DON'T EAT!

Each man is promised that his portion within his vain lifetime is GOD's gift to
him based on his own works. Other sit around and won't work and this is
the nature of a fool.
(Vain meaning volatile)

Enjoy the evaporating.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi mike, thanks for the reply.
I've got one for you, YOU DON'T LOVE WITHOUT CONDITION, YOU DON'T EAT.
That would put a twist on things, certainly a different world would be created with that logic, lol.
Anyway, The results from this dual battery testing are very promising, i still want to somehow verify how it compares to daves circuit type, with the 3 batteries.
peace love light

[BroMikey]

Hi mike, thanks for the reply.
I've got one for you, YOU DON'T LOVE WITHOUT CONDITION, YOU DON'T EAT.
That would put a twist on things, certainly a different world would be created with that logic, lol.
Anyway, The results from this dual battery testing are very promising, i still want to somehow verify how it compares to daves circuit type, with the 3 batteries.
peace love light

I can feel your frustration so patience is the word of the day. GOD made
man to eat of both the good and the bad. You can't make him drink even
tho he is lead to the water. That is to say YOU and I can not force the
timing of learning the right and the wrong for other men.

RICHES as I said are often related to youth in the scripture. YOUTH is
self-willed and stingy the young man has his whole life ahead of him and
rails constantly on others to give him more.

So we have two items THE WILL others have and THE WILL you have.

And then the WILL OF GOD.

GOD gave the RICH, like all men, a BEAST nature and the lust feels really
good if it is a proper one. Improper lusts are violations. Good lusts are
like eating of the fruit of your own labor. No where is scripture are we told
to command others to give us the fruit of their work. You and I are charged
to work with our OWN hands, do our OWN business.

And when you consider that God made man to sin and to eat of evil fruits
in order to give man an opportunity to make his choice, then you will
realize man is in trouble almost all of his life. Common law is what this
one and only Nation around the world was built on and comes directly
out of the books of the law.

As sad as it seems this is the WILL OF GOD.

All of that talk of utopia and everyone living as one big happy family
is not set to take place in our time.We are in birth pains,
SHE is travailing in pain to bring forth.

When men live their entire lives operating only in their beast nature
they find out over time which action is good and which is bad and if they
ever say inside of themselves that they have found an action they have
performed that they hate the results of and say inside of themselves that
they will seek to first stop the action (Even tho they may fail every time)
they have reached a place in the spirit "CALLED REPENTANCE"

All of heaven will rejoice at this change of thought process. That is the
purpose under heaven 4 mankind. That he be in trouble, beaten with
many strips to the end nothing of man is found. Go look at the grave yard.

They are all forgotten of other men.

That may take 50 years or 80 years but that is all that we are here for
to judge between the good and the bad and repent of the bad stuff once
we have learned the hard way.

It is a bitter cup.

What we have been given is enough to do what Peter just did and I will
open up a few of these simple things that you may have over looked.

After I am thru spelling it all out again just as is seen in TURIONS thread
it may go right over your head but I wouldn't be surprised if you already
know what I will say.

I felt like death warmed over this week but I will be back to show you
all my 3 batteries being zapped by the Matt Mod Mtr and the booster
with all of it's losses still far exceeds any experiment you have quite
probably done. The primaries just sit there and the charge battery goes
up while I waste 100 percent of the motors mechanical energy.

It has taken me time to gather this idea from what is posted but now
that I have it I will share it with you and then we will see who is rich.

Remember this moment and when you have it all then share it with your
buddies.

Thank you for opening the door so i may speak of things I see.