BEMF current reversal.

[bistander]

Lol, surely you jest

You say the regulators are irrelevant; ignore those. Capacitors should have negligible leakage; ignore those. Where's the current?

[Dave45]

You say the regulators are irrelevant; ignore those. Capacitors should have negligible leakage; ignore those. Where's the current?

This is a dual rail power supply both legs carry current.

[bistander]

This is a dual rail power supply both legs carry current.

To where? There's no circuit. No loop. How can there be current?

[Sputins]

Hi Ufo,

All my time with drills, mills and lathes, I've never noticed this. So I just tried it again. Nothing magnetic. I didn't see a single iron particle stick to the drill bit or iron workpiece or together at all.

Oh well,

bi

It actually happens on occasions in my experience, but not every time.

Swarf particles magnetically adhere to the drill bit. It can occur indeed.

I’m pretty sure it’s the drill bit that becomes magnetised rather than the swarf particles themselves.

[aljhoa]

In physics and materials science, the Curie temperature (TC), or Curie point,
is the temperature at which certain materials lose their permanent magnetic properties,
to be replaced by induced magnetism. The Curie temperature is named after Pierre Curie,
who showed that magnetism was lost at a critical temperature.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curie_...gnetic_moments




Al

[Ufopolitics]

Current=closed circuit only

This is a dual rail power supply both legs carry current.

To where? There's no circuit. No loop. How can there be current?

Dave,

All this classic theories defenders ONLY recognize there is current in any given circuit terminals whenever they are CLOSED, LOOPED etc,etc.

So, say that we have two terminals, a Neutral and a Line of 20,000V and 50 Amps...well...until they don't actually touch these two terminals, then feel the current burning their bodies...only then they would say (if they survive) : Oh!...there was current on those terminals!!!...

Amps Meters actually need to be set by closing the circuit...only then amps are measured...it is not their fault...they were taught like that.

However, Voltage could be measured between two open terminals.

The reality is other than whatever they have taught us all...and it is NOT our fault that electrical engineered instruments are not capable to measure current, but only in a closed circuit.

And it is an easy misconception to realize it is just BS...previously measure (by closing them with amp meter) two terminals...measure current, obtain reading...then open terminals...no current now?...absolutely not...zero current


Current is nothing more than Electron Population at any given cross section of the conducting circuit.

Therefore, it would be understood that at the V Negative Terminal, the Electron Population would be greater than at the V Positive Terminal...so then it could be "concluded" of a "current flow" from Low end to High end...so we say that current is "flowing" (it does not flow at all)...from Positive to Negative...conceiving from low electron population to high populated sections.

And of course...this is a DC circuit...not pulsed, not AC...as even in normal operating spec's ALL this parameters vary.

It is just a Convention...not real.


That is it.


Regards


Ufopolitics

EDIT 1:

Yes, I know there are Amp Meters based on Clamps...that make an "Internal Calculation" based on the Magnetic Field around conductor ...However, still, circuit must be closed.

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,

Perhaps you missed the point of my analogy. I used it to illustrate the use of the word "collapse", not to explain magnetic curly que spirals speeding through the universe.

Regards,

bi

Bistander,

And I also can guess you did not catch my point either...

I say Magnetic Fields do not collapse...they only transform.

By the way, what religion was that collapsed church?...I believe it is an important point to establish the kind of collapse...


Just kidding...


Regards



Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Collapse

I say Magnetic Fields do not collapse...they only transform.

Ufo,

In this case, most people, use, or understand the use of collapse to mean transform. That is to transform from a recognizable form into another form which is different and may not be recognized or visible to them at all.

bi

[bistander]

Zero current

Current is nothing more than Electron Population at any given cross section of the conducting circuit.

There is no "conducting circuit" therefore zero current.

[Ufopolitics]

There is no "conducting circuit" therefore zero current.

See what I mean Dave?

You would not be able to get them out of that "Looped Theory"...no matter what you do...

I could understand there would not be consumption of energy if circuit is open...

I could understand that an electronic flow would not exist if circuit is not closed...

But Current? which is one of the two main parameters to determine Power.?..So, it is "not present", "zero" at the Open terminals which We know have Power previously?

Can't be that square friend...


No matter what I like you still...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Allen Burgess]

Magnetostatics.

Here's a diagram of a form of magnetic attraction:

[Ufopolitics]

Here's a diagram of a form of magnetic attraction:

Yes...and below is some more about this spatial interactions from charged particles and magnetic fields under view film...

[IMG][/IMG]

1-Two opposite charged particles above...and below two opposite magnets attract sequence under view film:

[IMG][/IMG]

Any similarity between both?

Now Spatial Repulsions...

[IMG][/IMG]

2-Two like charged particles above...and below a Repulse sequence between like magnetic poles under view film...:

[IMG][/IMG]

Any similarities?

And below some more interactions of charged particles...the colors and charges type don't really matter at all...is just to establish some graphic difference so the animal human scratching their heads can digest it...

[IMG][/IMG]

[IMG][/IMG]

And the Author of the site writes:

Above: potential energy plots for arrangements of 4 charges - 2 positive charges (red centres) and 2
negative charges (blue centres) of equal magnitude. On this scale green represents zero potential, such
as the points at which the negative and positive charge potentials cancel.

Here is a Dual Stator DC Motor...understand having an N-S facing polarization at inner spatial center(where armature/rotor spins)...

[IMG][/IMG]


And below... my dear friends...under view film:

[IMG][/IMG]

Charged Particles Images taken from : http://cronodon.com/SpaceTech/Particle_Paths.html


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Dave45]

Dave,

All this classic theories defenders ONLY recognize there is current in any given circuit terminals whenever they are CLOSED, LOOPED etc,etc.
Ufopolitics

EDIT 1:

Yes, I know there are Amp Meters based on Clamps...that make an "Internal Calculation" based on the Magnetic Field around conductor ...However, still, circuit must be closed.

Yes kind of ridiculous i could alter the sch. to include the loads but if they cant figure that out then im wasting my time.

[Ufopolitics]

Ok, Dave, now we have current(s)

Yes kind of ridiculous i could alter the sch. to include the loads but if they cant figure that out then im wasting my time.

[IMG][/IMG]

This is the way I picture the output possible hookup...

Main +15V and -15V will output DC 15V...Simple.

Now, I believe if we use the T1 Neutral versus both DC outputs we will read approx(it could read above and below) 12.6 V...

Maybe I have the current directions wrong (Red Arrows)...so, Bistander or anyone else could correct me if am wrong above.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

By the way Dave45...

Hey Dave...

By the way, when I enter your Photobucket to download your circuit IMG...I found this:

[IMG][/IMG]


I like that idea!...and I have tried it in many different possibilities...and yes it works, the reversed energy (BEMF), once each independent coil is disconnected from brushes is transferred to the incoming contact coil ...except that almost all Diodes tested end up burnt at full Motor speed, due to the extremely high reverse peak currents...and I have used the NTE576 (150A IFSM)and greater than (NTE577/200A IFSM)...which have 150 -200 Amps Peak Forward Surge Current...with no luck.

[IMG][/IMG]

[IMG][/IMG]

I will be honest though...I have not tried with the All North Asymmetrical...only the N-S Type.


Sorry Allen, I know this may be kind off topic here...but I can delete it if you want me to.


Regards


Ufopolitics