Reproducing the Don Smith Effect

[tswift]

For now, I am moving back to the main goal of reproducing the output from the Don Smith device instead of focusing on the self-charging effect at the input.

Here are some shots of my current rig. I am taking the Zilano approach of using a single-stage step-down resonant transformer. I have measured the voltage around a traditional step-up CW/CCW dual coil rig I made and it didn't seem any more impressive than the voltage around the step-down rig.

The primary is 158 turns of 16 gauge magnet wire (scavenged from a defunct generator) wound around a 1-1/2" (nominal) PVC pipe core. The pipe is filled with about 20 little ferrite toroids of a high permeability type. When combined with the 10 nF cap bank seen in the photos, the resonant frequency is 62.5 KHz as can be determined from the ringdown in the scope shots. The PVM12 can be adjusted from about 48 KHz to about 68 KHz, so this combination works well and can be adjusted for resonance. The purpose of the cap array is to increase the voltage rating, there are 9x 10 nF caps (but only rated for 2 KV), to give 10 nF but rated for 6 KV. Good engineering practice for Tesla coils would be to put a high-value drain resistor across each one for safety but I haven't done this here.

The secondary is just a single turn for measurement purposes. As the scope shot shows, I am getting about 22 volts per turn, giving approximately 3500V across the primary at spark gap breakdown (assuming very close coupling here). The spark repetition rate is slightly erratic but averages about 100 per second. With a primary cap bank of 10 nF, this is 0.061J per spark, or about 6 watts of power into the primary. Next I will wind a secondary of probably about 12 turns to charge the ambient receiver cap to around 250V. Then a 250V GDT on the cap to pulse the primary of the "isolation transformer", where the overunity is supposed to happen. I'm still not convinced that the split/dual secondary coil is necessary but I will try both configurations.

[med.3012]

Well, thanks for the vote of confidence, Paul. This was my first "successful" test, in that I'm pretty sure I was seeing actual overunity briefly. But as so often happens with experimenting in this field, it's a case of three steps forward and two steps back. Now neither battery will actually self-run and gain voltage. They appear to hold steady if you only watch for a short amount of time but over hours they actually run down slowly. The rig may still be running overunity because I know it takes several hundred milliamps minimum to run the PVM12 with minimal load, and when the battery is starting off at 9.5 volts or so it shouldn't be able to support even this load for very long, and yet it will run for hours. But I can't get it to gain voltage, and I very definitely did at first with both batteries.

I think what must have happened is that my previous experiments on these batteries with a pulse charger (think Bedini machine, or the ufopolitics mosfet/flyback circuit) must have been somewhat successful in getting at least a little scalar characteristic into the battery, so that it self-ran when used in the Don Smith configuration. And I also quite clearly saw a proximity effect: with the battery a foot away it was running at like 7 volts instead of 9-9.5. As I moved the battery closer up it went. With the second battery, the first time I ran it on this rig it started at something like 12.1 volts, dropped progressively down to the low 9's, and then the self-charging kicked in and ZOOM in about 10 seconds or so went up back above 10 and held steady there.

The observation with the voltage really soaring is probably just a measurement error from a cheap meter. If I attach the scope probes to the battery, I don't see the scope trace do this. If I power the meter off and back on it quits doing this for a while but eventually comes back. Is it a weird effect due to the presumably cold electricity within the battery making the meter go wild? I can't say, but of course weird and wild meter readings are well known to be associated with real overunity. I don't currently have another voltmeter to compare against other than the scope, this kind of experimenting is hard on meters as I assume many of you know all too well....

And yes, I am sharing everything I know so far, the good, the bad, and the ugly. If we are to succeed in replicating this world-changing technology it will be because we each share and can build on each other's successes. I certainly have; I have taken everything Don said, and everything Zilano said, and everything anyone said who claimed to have a successful replication and studied the heck out of them and I would not be where I am now without all that to go on.

For those who might have missed it the first time because it got buried in the often-overlooked Don Smith megathread, here is my document summarizing basically everything I know and understand at this point in time about radiant energy and how the Don Smith device works. Unfortunately I already need to update it because I now know from this one positive experiment that the overunity only happens in the first transformer in the chain, not in the subsequent ones also as I more or less imply in the document. In other words, a transformer fed with "cold" electricity will run overunity due to the reduced Lenz's law BEMF, but the output from the transformer secondary will not itself be "cold" electricity that you can then put into another transformer to see another increase.

http://www.free-energy-info.com/Radiant1.pdf

just a quick observation about cold electricity in Don Smith device, this device as i understand produce useful radiant energy, in 1996 video he show parts from his commercial device, two high voltage high current diodes with heat sink ! if the produced electricity was cold in this stage ( which is an early stage) the heat sink isn't needed ...




his device is based on space varying magnetic field ( something like a permanent magnet ..) not a time varying magnetic field.

[tswift]

Yes, I have thought about it too, how can a neon sign transformer, even a big one, put out current enough to need diodes that big? Of course, it could be a red herring and not meaningful at all. But based on what I know now, it could make sense if the NST was itself operating overunity. Remember that the power gain only becomes visible in a transformer. We call it "cold" electricity not because it is cold itself, it will certainly make resistors hot just like "normal" electricity. But transformers and coils fed with "cold" electricity become cold when power is being pulled from them due to the negentropic effect manifesting in the core region.

Cold electricity acts like phase-conjugate electricity. It acts as if it's moving backwards in time to the way we normally see things. Bedini said it propagates from the output of the circuit backwards to the source. Normally we have to generate electricity in an entropic process, and the energy is then stored or transmitted and then used, dissipated in the load ultimately as heat. With phase-conjugate energy it's the reverse. It's like getting an energy loan first and then paying it off later, instead of earning energy and then spending it. Even establishment physicists will admit that the known laws of physics are symmetric with respect to time and the universe would work perfectly well if time ran backwards. Just google "CPT symmetry" if you're not familiar with this. Overunity makes use of phase-conjugate electricity.

So, to make a long story short, it seems to me that the big NST Don showed in the commercial device is probably itself running overunity so it can source far more current than normal. In operation it would get cold. How that's happening is something Don isn't making clear. I'm fairly sure at this point that the "tabletop" device is itself two overunity devices in series, as I described above. If the NST in the commercial device is running overunity too then it would be, in practice, very much like the tabletop device. Also Don is not showing the huge transformer that must be fed from the output of that very large power factor correction cap that's acting as the receiver in the second stage. As usual, Don only showed part of the picture. Enough to get us all fascinated but not enough to just go out and build it.

[med.3012]

Quantum sciences is fascinating, learn it and use it but never trust it !! the following is a quote from http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapt7.html :


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Moray’s equipment is said to have contained a germanium diode which he built himself in the days before solid-state devices became readily available. * The equipment was examined and tested many times. * On dozens of occasions, he demonstrated the equipment driving a bank of twenty 150W bulbs, plus a 600W heater, plus a 575W iron (a total of 4.175 kW). * The power picked up by this device needed only small diameter wires and had characteristics different from conventional electricity. * One demonstration which was repeated many times, was to show that the output power circuit could be broken and a sheet of ordinary glass placed between the severed ends of the wire, without disrupting the supply. * This type of power is called “Cold electricity” because thin wires carrying major power loads, do not overheat. * This form of energy is said to flow in waves which surround the wires of a circuit and not actually through the wires at all. * Unlike conventional electricity, it does not use electrons for transmission and that is why it can continue through a sheet of glass which would stop conventional electricity dead in its tracks
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Don Smith never mentioned cold electricity in his discussion, at least what i know, if you have a source where he talk about it please let me know, the following photo from the same commercial device show a large wire connected to the capacitor banks, if it's cold electricity thin wire will do the job perfectly ...

[tswift]

Yes, a good catch by someone who has also studied a great deal! No, Don never used the term "cold electricity" that I am aware of. To the best of my knowledge, it comes from Ed Gray. I use it in this context because, after much study, it appears to me that a number of the historical overunity devices we are familiar with share so many characteristics that it seems likely they are tapping into the same source of energy. These are: Moray, Gray, Sweet, and Smith. All had compact devices which produced very high power output. I don't know if it was ever reported that Moray's device got cold, or parts of it did, but certainly it was reported by the others that this was true of their own devices. Not just circuits failing to heat up, but genuine cooling below ambient as if some kind of endothermic effect was at work. Sweet reported that frost could form on the output wires, and from following the "cold electricity" thread that's active right now, apparently other researchers such as Bob Boyce may have reproduced this effect. Marc Belanger mentioned that he had seen it also.

After much study, I have reached the conclusion that the Don Smith device (at least the famous tabletop device) is the functional equivalent of the Ed Gray device. First a battery charges by being pulsed in a high-voltage field, which stores unbalanced cold/radiant/scalar energy in the battery along with the electrons. Then the stored energy from the battery is pulsed through a coil to reach high voltages, and used to charge a capacitor which is within the displacement field around the coil. This does the same thing as happens in the battery, only now the energy is stored in a high voltage cap or cap bank. Then the energy is pulsed into the load, which is the repulsion motor coils in the case of Gray, or the output transformer in the case of Smith, and massive overunity gain at high power is seen. Both of their devices are two-stage overunity machines making use of the "Don Smith Effect", which is that when you pulse charge a cap or a battery in the presence of a surrounding electric field, the nonzero scalar component of that field is captured and stored as well. Obviously Gray was using this effect well before Don came along and explicitly described it and named it. This is the same thing that happens with a Bedini machine or any pulse charger using very short high voltage pulses to charge a battery. Just place a scope probe near the battery under charge and see the "ambient" voltage in the space near the battery spike with every pulse. In Don's terminology, it "disturbs ambient". The stored electrons that go in during the accompanying current pulse pick up this scalar field. It's all one and the same effect, and it's what causes overunity when the same electrons then get sent through a transformer because the scalar component isn't subject to Lenz's law.

This is why I have spent so much time trying to understand the Don Smith Effect, not just the Don Smith devices. It's the same effect at work in very many overunity devices, pretty much all of them that use high voltage and/or pulses. There appears to be another distinct overunity effect that is purely magnetic using bucking coils, which can be seen in the works of inventors like Sweet and Leedskalnin. I haven't spent as much time trying to understand this, it appears harder to reproduce. But as can be seen from Floyd Sweet's famous VTA, the results are more or less the same. It produces massive overunity and it runs cold. Somehow a disconnected, disembodied dipole is produced that doesn't have a source impedance and isn't married to a battery or cap. It taps into pure negentropic, phase-conjugate energy arising directly from spacetime itself, "energy from the vacuum" as Bearden would say. This of course is the big payoff we're all looking for.

(Med, I know you probably know all this already.... I write this for the benefit of the others reading the thread that might not)

[med.3012]

i also try to learn something here, in my opinion Smith System is analogous to Floyd sweet device, the VTA depend on a special conditioned permanent magnet, Don Smith refer this to the potential power that present in a bar magnet ... imagine your coil like a permanent magnet and you try to divide it to several parts :



the resulted bar magnet has the same character like the original one, now if you continue dividing these parts you will end up with a single magnetic domain in this case you have a single electron behave like a tiny magnet ... the coil resemble Don Smith system must have this unique condition, the electrons have to stay in their place and only spin, Smith refer this when he say In alternating current the electron don't move from point A to point B as commonly envisioned !!!

The permanent magnet take the power from all the surrounded space and return it to the same origin across a single zone known as Bloch wall, this operation PUSH and ATTRACT make the magnet work in a perfect harmony with the surrounded ambient power, finally you have a magnetic field present and able to do work all the time and for free...( not for free in our conventional electrical generator because we still need to learn from the nature ... the permanent magnet has the secret !! )

in my opinion cold electricity if referred to negative energy is the half of the resonance energy device , this is the PUSH section in his device, you need the ATTRACTION section also so you are in harmony with the ambient natural power that surround us, attraction and repulsion can be used in different stage if we know how.

[tswift]

Paging Marc Belanger

Paging Marc Belanger.... Paging Marc Belanger.... Is Marc in the house? Mr. Belanger, please pick up the white courtesy phone....

Seriously, if you're reading this, can you add something to the discussion here? You're the only active experimenter I know who has reproduced the self-charging and the output power gain.

[BroMikey]

Paging Marc Belanger.... Paging Marc Belanger.... Is Marc in the house? Mr. Belanger, please pick up the white courtesy phone....

Seriously, if you're reading this, can you add something to the discussion here? You're the only active experimenter I know who has reproduced the self-charging and the output power gain.

Good luck with getting Marc to answer you back. He needed a $500 genset
one time at HIS request, we were trying to send it to him but I think he
is over loaded and afraid to show all of his work. Getting locked into
an agreement requires that you follow thru and Marc didn't do that.

He came back in a few months after he had been given the green light
on the package and he acted like he couldn't read the posts here and when
he was told he could have the genset twice after requesting it twice never
replied to our response.

Down right insulting. He is smart I guess and will respond someday but
remember how he treated us. To me this is a double mind and I will handle
him accordingly.

Not at all a man of his word you could say. He replies when he wants and
plays the little guessing game year after year making all of the sounds
of the validation of proof and we are still waiting for his answer.

He doesn't answer. He talks and you listen and that is all you are going
to get out of Marc and I guess that is good enough for those on the
web.

Not good enough for me. I am still waiting and if he changes his mind
he just ignores you. Marc has been out of circulation for many months
now with only a small experiment here and there on youtube and then
you never hear from him.

Like I said twice 2 guys have entered into an agreement with Marc to
give Marc a $500 genset for testing purposes, he accepted twice and
each time we tried to send it he vanished for months.

Now I would be afraid to agree on anything with Marc. Like I said he
is way to busy to honor his commitments with us. We don't matter.

Everyone has a character flaw and I don't hold any grudges against
Marc for his conduct but there is no way I would ever expect any
other interaction than the one i just mentioned. I wouldn't be able to
trust what he says either, not anymore.

Now if he has gone underground was bought off or whatever I can
understand that, or maybe someone threatened his in a private
email, people are very skiddish when it comes to begin held accountable
for an invention that knocks out the power companies so maybe he
was scared away.

To bad too because he has what looked like an experiment or two that
might get the extra. He is gone, that is the best I can tell you.

Same with Gerard, these guys only chime in once a year and have
grown cold with their impractical experiments.

Again i don't hold it against him but i wouldn't be able to trust what
he says either.

[tswift]

BroMikey,

Thanks for your input. I have followed your posts for years on this forum and value your opinion. It's incredibly frustrating when people who do make discoveries won't share, either from fear or greed. I think about all the people around the world who suffer in extreme poverty. I think about all the innocent people who are caught in the middle of wars over resources, that they have no personal stake in. If you had a genuine free energy device that could help people and stop wars, don't you have a responsibility to your fellow man to share it? Do you really want that on your conscience that you won't or didn't?

Hopefully I am showing the path as to how it can be done and yet remain anonymous, even if someone else succeeds in doing it and not me. I don't have all the answers yet although at this point I have learned a lot that I think is useful and hopefully it's only a matter of time before I have the full breakthrough. I had my 15 minutes of fame once in my youth and I mostly didn't enjoy it. Even if it weren't for the suppression cartel to consider, I don't know if the world will consider the person who finally brings this technology out of the darkness into the light a hero or a villain. Much better to simply remain behind the scenes and walk the path of Satoshi Nakamoto. It's also foolish to think I can win a game like this for very long against people with state-level resources, but all I have to do is play successfully long enough to get plans for a real working device out to the world. Ultimately it's not about what happens to me, it's about what happens to all the suffering people in the world if people like us don't solve this problem.

[ewizard]

Thank you again for your true Altruism


The world could be so much better if more people had your mindset.

[tswift]

Well, Gandhi once said that "you must be the change you want to see in the world". Fundamentally, I would rather be a poor man in a rich world where everyone has at least sufficient energy, water, and food, and no conflict over these, than a rich man in poor world. However, I haven't yet given away anything truly valuable although I have shared what I know up until now.

Don Smith has been my friend and more-or-less constant companion for something like three years now, never far from my mind regardless of whatever else I am doing. As I said before, it's tremendously frustrating to feel like I understand so much and yet not be able to produce real results. I am beginning to think the missing piece is something so simple that people like Don and Zelina didn't even think to mention it. As near as I can tell now, I have the whole puzzle assembled and yet no mysterious extra power. I have on my bench right now a complete tuned rig. It sparks, the coils ring, the cap charges, the output GDT sparks and goes through the transformer, and it lights a small light bulb. Barely. Note that there is no tuning cap on the paired step-down coils, I have tried configurations with and without and seemed to get better power transfer without. The ferrites in the core help increase the primary-secondary coupling coefficient and this increases the power transfer markedly versus air-core. There are 13 turns on each side of the secondary, which raises the voltage on the 0.86 uF cap just enough to spark the 230V GDT once with each pulse of the primary spark gap. Spark in, spark out. Only, the output pulse is supposed to be "cold electricity" because, as you can see in the picture the cap is being charged close to the hot end of the coil. I have the second channel (blue trace) scope probe attached to the metal case of the cap and it illustrates about 80V on the case of the cap (actually would be somewhat more, the capacitance of the scope probe itself will load it down slightly) as the pulse arrived (yellow trace is the voltage across the cap).

I have not yet investigated all possible combinations of polarity and phasing. As Don said, there are two ways to arrange the diodes. I tried merely reversing them (we're talking about the diodes on the secondary) and of course the cap charged negative and was being charged on the negative-going half of the E-field around the secondary. This produced similar results, just induction power through the machine and no overunity. The bulb lights equally bright whether attached to the secondary of the output transformer or with the transformer disconnected and directly into the light bulb instead. Once I have the effect right, this is where the power gain should show up. Don said basically that "amps do not enter the equation until the isolation transformer". The next step will be to reverse the primary-secondary phasing, which should be easy to achieve by just swapping the two oppositely wound secondaries. The alternative would be to rewind either the secondaries or the primary coil in the opposite winding sense. Then I will again try both configurations of diodes. Perhaps it's the positive current pulse with the negative E-field that is the magic combination?

And then there's also the ever mysterious location of the spark gap. Is it series or parallel? I have it in the standard Tesla coil configuration, sparking at about 100 Hz. I have done plenty of experimenting and you can get some power transfer from the configuration where NST->(coil and cap in parallel)->gap->ground. Power to light up a bulb just a little, but no magic overunity.

And there's also grounding to investigate. Does it work any different with two separate earth grounds? Some people say this matters, others say it doesn't. I'm using the utility ground from the third prong of a regular plug, just like Don did during the suitcase demo. I also have the battery close to the coil to try and replicate the self-charging effect with this rig as well. So much work yet to do, and I still hope at some point that bulb will go full brightness. I know I have to be close, unless I'm missing something really fundamental or my understanding of the Don Smith Effect and how this is supposed to work is flawed. Short of Zelina magically showing back up and dispensing more wisdom, I'm just going to have to keep going on with painstaking trial and error.

[tswift]

Well, Gandhi once said that "you must be the change you want to see in the world". Fundamentally, I would rather be a poor man in a rich world where everyone has at least sufficient energy, water, and food, and no conflict over these, than a rich man in poor world. However, I haven't yet given away anything truly valuable although I have shared what I know up until now.

Don Smith has been my friend and more-or-less constant companion for something like three years now, never far from my mind regardless of whatever else I am doing. As I said before, it's tremendously frustrating to feel like I understand so much and yet not be able to produce real results. I am beginning to think the missing piece is something so simple that people like Don and Zelina didn't even think to mention it. As near as I can tell now, I have the whole puzzle assembled and yet no mysterious extra power. I have on my bench right now a complete tuned rig. It sparks, the coils ring, the cap charges, the output GDT sparks and goes through the transformer, and it lights a small light bulb. Barely. Note that there is no tuning cap on the paired step-down coils, I have tried configurations with and without and seemed to get better power transfer without. The ferrites in the core help increase the primary-secondary coupling coefficient and this increases the power transfer markedly versus air-core. There are 13 turns on each side of the secondary, which raises the voltage on the 0.86 uF cap just enough to spark the 230V GDT once with each pulse of the primary spark gap. Spark in, spark out. Only, the output pulse is supposed to be "cold electricity" because, as you can see in the picture the cap is being charged close to the hot end of the coil. I have the second channel (blue trace) scope probe attached to the metal case of the cap and it illustrates about 80V on the case of the cap (actually would be somewhat more, the capacitance of the scope probe itself will load it down slightly) as the pulse arrived (yellow trace is the voltage across the cap).

I have not yet investigated all possible combinations of polarity and phasing. As Don said, there are two ways to arrange the diodes. I tried merely reversing them (we're talking about the diodes on the secondary) and of course the cap charged negative and was being charged on the negative-going half of the E-field around the secondary. This produced similar results, just induction power through the machine and no overunity. The bulb lights equally bright whether attached to the secondary of the output transformer or with the transformer disconnected and directly into the light bulb instead. Once I have the effect right, this is where the power gain should show up. Don said basically that "amps do not enter the equation until the isolation transformer". The next step will be to reverse the primary-secondary phasing, which should be easy to achieve by just swapping the two oppositely wound secondaries. The alternative would be to rewind either the secondaries or the primary coil in the opposite winding sense. Then I will again try both configurations of diodes. Perhaps it's the positive current pulse with the negative E-field that is the magic combination?

And then there's also the ever mysterious location of the spark gap. Is it series or parallel? I have it in the standard Tesla coil configuration, sparking at about 100 Hz. I have done plenty of experimenting and you can get some power transfer from the configuration where NST->(coil and cap in parallel)->gap->ground. Power to light up a bulb just a little, but no magic overunity.

And there's also grounding to investigate. Does it work any different with two separate earth grounds? Some people say this matters, others say it doesn't. I'm using the utility ground from the third prong of a regular plug, just like Don did during the suitcase demo. I also have the battery close to the coil to try and replicate the self-charging effect with this rig as well. So much work yet to do, and I still hope at some point that bulb will go full brightness. I know I have to be close, unless I'm missing something really fundamental or my understanding of the Don Smith Effect and how this is supposed to work is flawed. Short of Zilano magically showing back up and dispensing more wisdom, I'm just going to have to keep going on with painstaking trial and error.

[wayne.ct]

PVM12 Flyback

Thanks for disclosing your build. Can you provide details on the PVM12 Flyback and possible substitutes? My initial web search was not productive.

[wayne.ct]

PVM12 Flyback

Are you using the one from amazing1.com?

[ricards]

Hi tom,

I thought we have lost all the people like you, its rare to meet folks like you nowadays.

@ topic

I really do not believe there is such thing as "Overunity" I think its just a term we use to describe more power out than in. I believe the source is just not Identified well. in Case of Don Smith device the source was clearly defined. the Ambient Medium.
Since don smith device is something like "Harnessing Ambient Energy" this topic might help you a little..
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ions-pass.html
this man's (Ernst) research is about Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter and how (theoretically) its been used. I believe the concept is the same just not with the transmission part. The Idea is to Create a sink hole of energy.

You stated that your battery is self charging, that means you already have a sink hole of energy, but not enough power to light that bulb correct?.
Have you ever tried changing the load?, or adding more load?. it seems to me you really wanted to light that bulb to full brightness and keep changing your rig, different setup etc. just to power that load.
I assume you are using a bucking coil configuration right? try adding more load It will help your oscillation without Increasing your Input. I have tried and verified this myself on a small device (bucking coils helping oscillation). and besides, A video of don smith shows a Test where in an Array of Incandescent bulb was plugged into his device, It started dim but brightens little by little, I even remember don smith saying "It will correct itself... Are you Impressed.."

I'm still in the process of creating my own Inverter still a long way to try your theory. I only experiment on weekends nothing to share yet but my opinion.