Reproducing the Don Smith Effect

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@wayne.ct - yes, the PVM12 is from amazing1.com. It's a handy little device, mainly because it's tunable. Inside it has an SG3524 chip driving two MOSFETs in a push-pull configuration into the HV transformer. Also seems pretty robust, at least my experimenting has not damaged this one so far.

@ricards - no, I hadn't seen that thread, thanks. I'm pretty sure at this point that Tesla knew a lot more than he ever stated publicly, and you really have to study the designs themselves. The more you understand yourself the more it becomes clear how advanced he really was. I'm fairly sure the magnifying transmitter was intended to produce the same kind of effects the Don Smith device is. The wireless transmission through the earth has certainly been demonstrated, and if you're sending power with a radiant characteristic then the receivers should operate overunity and it would be possible to tap arbitrarily large amounts of power from any point. Essentially the normal electricity just acts as a carrier wave for the radiant part, which apparently Tesla had also figured out how to use for broadcasting voice and data!

And yes, the current output configuration is with bucking coils, wound CW/CCW. I have tested and verified that just the dual partnered bucking coil configuration doesn't seem to make any difference over a single coil. When I briefly had the battery self-charging working, it did seem to exhibit the self-correcting behavior Don talked about, I wondered if anyone would bring this up. I could increase the load by changing the frequency on the PVM12, the battery voltage would dip a little, then go back up nearly to where it was in just a few seconds. It acted exactly like Don's system on the video, so I was excited about this.

[med.3012]

Hello everyone;



The most interesting video Don Smith ever made is the following :

https://youtu.be/cQkYAh8Qgb4

in that video a very interesting statement about his device, his device is similar to a normal electrical generator but it produce the power in Radio frequency speed, something i didn't understand until recently in other hand it appear to be an absent electrical science where you can't find a good sources because the magnetic resonance secrets is absent intentionally !!


how does this generator resemble our electrical generator but work in radio frequency speed ?! i think the whole trick is here, as i said before any permanent magnet can be divided to small parts that form another magnets as described :




the problem is ordinary coil is still the symmetry because it can't be arranged perfectly to make this condition possible, the condition is to make something similar to a permanent magnet where you have a space varying magnetic field, and this imply the presence of magnetic resonating system where you have only the magnetic field as the primary source of radio frequency oscillation...

more clearly the coil must keep the electrons in stationary position so we have only spin difference.. in this case when each side change the spin direction we have something similar to permanent magnet rotate in radio frequency speed .. !! the idea is awesome and very very nice ... something really amazing !

The ETBC show this behavior, because it's a magnetic resonating system, there's no electric current there at least as we know it only electrons spin, this coil show double frequency behavior, here the induced electric field charge the capacitive side instantly and this mean there's no moving electrons in this system, it's a space varying magnetic field, where the electrons change the spin direction you have something similar to a permanent magnet rotate in radio frequency speed , something like a quantum motor !!

the following photo show a 40W 220v light bulb bright in every 3 s in a system use only 3W as input, this is another enhancement known as the serial ETBC :





the theory is still under development but i am working in the theory of the secondary, it appear there's something can be done in L2 also so we could have what we want easily .. in brief the idea consist of changing the voltage electrons to be a current electrons, so we could manage the output electric current to the desired amount, in radio frequency the magnetic electrons that responsible for the production of current face a serious problem... i hope to have the time to explain this more.

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OK, I just had something very strange happen. I was operating the circuit shown in the recent pictures, experimenting with the coil phasing and diode polarity as previously described. A few seconds after shutting off the power, I was reaching around the circuit and my hand accidentally brushed the center tap of the transformer primary and I got a significant shock. This was with the circuit OFF, and I waited some seconds for the cap to drain, as verified on the scope. This part of the circuit should have been at ground potential. None of my ground wires were loose, as verified by a visual check and then by operating the circuit again. I put the scope probe on this point of the circuit and verified that indeed it stays at ground potential except very briefly during each output pulse when the GDT fires. I have tried to see if it will happen again and I can't reproduce it either.

BUT I AM QUITE SURE I GOT A SHOCK, and from a part of the circuit at GROUND POTENTIAL.... Has this ever happened to anyone else? Maybe there really is something to this voltage electron vs. current electron duality. I noticed that the part where I got the shock is geometrically in line with the Bloch wall plane of the dual output coils, so I experimented with putting the capacitor there too instead of close to the hot end of the coil. I still haven't observed any detectable difference in the (meager) output in any configuration I have tried so far.

[med.3012]

@wayne.ct - yes, the PVM12 is from amazing1.com. It's a handy little device, mainly because it's tunable. Inside it has an SG3524 chip driving two MOSFETs in a push-pull configuration into the HV transformer. Also seems pretty robust, at least my experimenting has not damaged this one so far.

@ricards - no, I hadn't seen that thread, thanks. I'm pretty sure at this point that Tesla knew a lot more than he ever stated publicly, and you really have to study the designs themselves. The more you understand yourself the more it becomes clear how advanced he really was. I'm fairly sure the magnifying transmitter was intended to produce the same kind of effects the Don Smith device is. The wireless transmission through the earth has certainly been demonstrated, and if you're sending power with a radiant characteristic then the receivers should operate overunity and it would be possible to tap arbitrarily large amounts of power from any point. Essentially the normal electricity just acts as a carrier wave for the radiant part, which apparently Tesla had also figured out how to use for broadcasting voice and data!

And yes, the current output configuration is with bucking coils, wound CW/CCW. I have tested and verified that just the dual partnered bucking coil configuration doesn't seem to make any difference over a single coil. When I briefly had the battery self-charging working, it did seem to exhibit the self-correcting behavior Don talked about, I wondered if anyone would bring this up. I could increase the load by changing the frequency on the PVM12, the battery voltage would dip a little, then go back up nearly to where it was in just a few seconds. It acted exactly like Don's system on the video, so I was excited about this.

i didn't arrived to this point yet ! still working with the charging capacitor speed, the reason for this is Don Smith himself talk about the explosion came from short circuited capacitors bank ( very big and dangerous ... ) , i don't expect any significant output unless the capacitor banks has it, this is my opinion .

but in some strange test i got a self charged capacitor, a capacitor (4700UF/50V) was self charged to 20V, shorting the leg isn't enough to discharge it !!! i repeated the discharge operation but no way ! after that i connected two LED and they was lighted, in some condition the discharge of radiant energy create something very special in the capacitor make it self power ! this capacitor stay in this condition around 30 min but the phenomena cease when i tried to recharge the capa again !

[tswift]

Well, I'm glad to know some other experimenters have also seen strange effects that are hard to reproduce. After having some time away from the workbench to think about what happened at length, my theory is a shock from some kind of "neutral" energy that isn't polarized is hopefully a sign that I am on the right track, since unpolarized scalar energy is what is supposed to be collected by the cap from "ambient". It either discharged through the spark gap after the cap was supposedly drained (more likely) or was somehow stored in the mass of the grounded coil (less likely).

I am still not observing an obvious overunity gain in the bulb, but some configurations of coil phasing do seem to light the bulb slightly more bright than others. Once I swapped the secondary coils from my initial configuration I could just barely get the bulb to light up at all. Reversing the diodes makes no noticeable difference. So if scalar energy is getting into the coil and I'm still not observing the large power gain expected, then presumably everything is working as designed up to that point and I need to experiment more with the the output coil configuration. There is this whole mysterious "pulling down the frequency" business that is never adequately explained. I have tried putting a parallel resistor across the output transformer primary and it only made the pulse shorter and reduced the power transfer into the secondary. Next I suppose is trying a parallel cap (the "power factor correction" cap in Don's parlance) to resonate the transformer primary at the desired frequency. I will post more when I have time to run some more experiments.

[med.3012]

Hello

In my opinion the diodes work only in one position, from high pressure to low or from anti node to node, this is the reason why DS used only two diodes instead of 4 that form a bridge, this will increase the output...
But 4 diodes can't be used for unknown reason!!
this look like if the power flow in one direction to this system... More diodes will just close the door we are taking power from.

[deggers]

PVM12 Circuit

Thanks for disclosing your build. Can you provide details on the PVM12 Flyback and possible substitutes? My initial web search was not productive.

Here's a link to the PVM12 predecessor if you would like to build your own:
Plasmatron High Voltage Supply - Nu Energy ™ Research Archive


Great thread guys, keep it up!


Duane

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OK, good find. It seems from the construction that the PVM12 can probably be pushed well beyond 12V input for more wattage, but I haven't been anxious to really find out by frying it. Having a tunable power supply reduces one of the essential difficulties of replicating the Don Smith device, which is trying to match resonance from the NST, then the primary, then the secondary of the coils. Also, using the step-down configuration I have had the best power transfer using it with a non-resonant secondary (no tuning cap). So now it's very easy to get it in tune: just make sure that the primary inductance and cap bank give a resonant frequency somewhere in the tuning range of the NST. The capacitance of the primary cap bank will determine the spark frequency in combination with the gap width and the wattage supplied by the NST, since the cap bank has to charge up to the breakdown point of the spark gap every time (apply 1/2*c*v^2 to calculate the spark energy).

I still haven't yet completely ruled out that the resonant caps on the transformer secondary might be necessary for overunity results, however. The greater the step-down ratio, the bigger those caps would need to be (in microfarads), but at least they won't have to be very high voltage specialty film caps like the primary. Since I am seeing some difference in output depending in which order the secondary coils are placed (CW/CCW vs. CCW/CW) I may already be seeing a tiny amount of power gain happening in the output transformer. For normal inductive power transfer the coil phasing should not matter, but it should for the Don Smith effect. The trick now appears to be how to maximize it. I am using a huge metglas core (AMCC 400) which is drastic overkill and has large power handling capabilities at high frequencies. It also has high inductance, which is beneficial here. With every output pulse of the GDT, the transformer rings for one-quarter AC cycle at a frequency determined by the storage cap (0.86 uF in this case) and the inductance of the transformer. For best operation, I think I need to redesign the transformer winding with a lot more turns to give higher inductance. Right now the ring frequency I am getting is about 1 KHz. If the ring frequency of the output circuit matched the spark frequency then it would be a lot more obvious if some actual overunity was happening. There are a lot of design parameters to consider and match, it is obvious why it's such a challenge to replicate the Don Smith device even if the physics is actually real. Is there anyone out there who has dusted off their old gear and is working on active experiments?

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I have changed configurations again and for now, have decided to use an inverter output. This has some definite advantages: it's easier to buy an off the shelf inverter than to try and essentially make one. I don't doubt that it's possible to come up with an output transformer and capacitor combination that can get the resonant frequency down to 50 or 60 hertz, but it's easier to just make DC and hook up an external inverter. It's also far easier to make power measurements at DC. There are some possible disadvantages to using an external inverter too: if the overunity is happening in the inverter transformer, it will run cold. If its temperature drops below the dewpoint of the surrounding air it will begin to condense moisture or even frost. Obviously this is not a condition that regular electronics are designed to cope with.

The main problem with 12V output is the difficulty of reducing the high voltage from the resonant transformer stage down enough. I did a test where I wound two single-turn output coils (paired CW/CCW) and measured the power throughput. It was absolutely lousy. Only about 0.1W into a 100 ohm load (at DC after rectification). It appears that the smaller the size of the output coils, the worse the coupling coefficient with the transformer and thus lower power transfer. The resonant transformer stage is not intended to show an overunity gain and in fact it appears to be fairly inefficient. So the best approach for now appears to be to use larger secondary coils and then add an additional step-down stage to reach a voltage that will be compatible with a standard 12V inverter. The storage cap in this case will be a big low-voltage type, and the overunity should appear in the inverter itself. We still have to supply enough wattage to the inverter input to run its control logic and switching circuitry, this is at least several watts even on a small inverter. On a big inverter 2A at 12V might be more typical.

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OK, I hope everyone will forgive me for using the forums as a lab notebook. It's good for a permanent record and this way everyone else can learn what I'm learning as I go along, and understand some of the engineering. In addition to the nonstandard overunity scalar electrodynamics happening in this device, there is plenty of good-old-fashioned Ohm's law engineering. Don's devices were efficient enough to run from a low power NST in most cases, probably just 10 or 20 watts of input. I think I would already have a working device if I had a really powerful NST to run it from, but one of my main goals for this project is to have a device that doesn't require specialty or expensive parts, materials, tools, or test equipment to build. A great many things can be scavenged: old TV's and microwaves are a plentiful source of donor parts for high voltage experiments.

Here is my latest test for power transfer. Back to the 13 turn coils, then rectified into a storage/smoothing cap bank (4000 uF in this case, but value not critical) then into a resistive load. Measured voltage across the load was 60V. The load was 2000 ohms, two 1K resistors in series. It takes a good 20 seconds for the voltage to climb and stabilize. I don't have any power resistors with this high a resistance and those little ones get good and warm in this brief time, so I can't leave this running very long or they will cook. Measured power is thus (applying V^2/R) about 1.8W. It is possible to get slightly more power from the PVM12 at lower frequencies, I'm running it here in sync with the coils at 62.5 KHz. Spreading the spark gap slightly also increases power input and thus power output. I used an 80mm computer fan housing for the spark gap, and it is possible to use one hand to squeeze it slightly while in operation to adjust the gap (without zapping yourself if you're careful).

I also tested spreading out the turns of the secondary coils to cover more of the coil form, but not only did this not help, it actually reduced power transfer slightly. Next test will be to wind some bigger secondary coils. To have some hope of running an inverter from the output, I need to have at least 4 or 5 watts from the secondary. Once I see that, I will begin designing the step-down stage.

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Well, it appears I can just barely reach 4 watts with this configuration. Secondary coils are 30 turns each, which brought a small improvement on its own. Load resistance now 4000 ohms to try and get a reasonable impedance match for maximum power transfer. By turning the PVM12 to a lower frequency once spark was established, I was able to reach 128V DC into the load, which is just over 4 watts. The spark gap won't light up initially unless the PVM12 is close to resonance, but once it's going it can be adjusted considerably. There is a limit beyond which the gap quits sparking and you have to return it to resonance to work again. The power from the PVM12 appears to be greater at lower frequencies, not sure why this is exactly.

Also, I did try a resonant cap on the previous secondary (13 turns), and the approximate capacitance to resonate it at 62.5 KHz was 400 nF, which I actually had a cap for. This produced a very slight but noticeable improvement in power transfer, so I need to try it with the 30 turn coil as well. Capacitance will probably be 100-150 nF, the tuning on the secondary is not sharp at all due to the load resistance. The Q is very low so the tuning is very broad, unlike the primary.

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i don't have too much suggestions for this build but don't worry about the lab note book you are making here, i am listening carefully, the NST power will help but not too much because DS talked about Milliwatts power as input !! not even one watt ..

[tswift]

Yes, that's another good Don quote, and after thinking about it quite a while I think it's a big clue that the NST itself is running overunity as well. If the battery is self-charging as he describes then it should be charging with cold electricity, and that should cause the NST to run with no or reduced Lenz's law, and the input power requirement should be correspondingly reduced exactly as Don said. The same thing is evident in Floyd Sweet's VTA where he had milliwatts in and kilowatts out. Once the overunity effect takes hold the input power drops remarkably because the transformer should only see the primary coil resistance and reactance and not the whole secondary circuit. So the transformer "magnetizing current" would still apply, but this can be canceled with a resonant parallel capacitor leaving only the coil resistance multiplied by the Q of the parallel resonant circuit thus formed, which could be a very high effective resistance and therefore very minimal power draw.

I have also done some design work and experimentation on a 12V-12V switching forward converter. With normal electricity this would be a useless component, doing nothing but wasting power (except providing regulation from a battery, for instance). But theoretically, if you fed it with cold electricity then the overunity would manifest in the 12V-12V converter, allowing you to plug in a very large inverter to the output. This would also alleviate any concerns about the inverter itself getting too cold since it should run as normal. A clever person might also mount the inverter to the transformer of the 12V-12V converter since it should act as a heat sink.

Since I haven't yet seen the endothermic effect manifest, one open question I have is exactly how cold will a transformer get? Does it absorb exactly one watt of heat for every watt of overunity power drawn from the secondary? If that's the case then it could be quite useful as a simple solid-state heat pump, just attach a large load resistance and let it dissipate the heat somewhere else. Outside the building you're running the device in, for instance. Then you would have essentially free air conditioning, but you would also have some other design challenges like condensation and air circulation. Perhaps a perforated transformer core with holes drilled through it for air passage? Moisture would also rust an iron core, and you can't really drill ferrite....

So many questions and so few answers.

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just a quick reply as it's too late here, over unity is produced between L1 / L2 and finally the capacitor banks, the output transformer do nothing just lowering the voltage / frequency to the desired values, the NST isn't over unity in itself if so why the other stages ?! we just need to step down the voltage/frequency from the NST and we are in the business ...

in Don Smith papers and video he proposed using other high voltage module instead of the NST, in another video he clarified that the capacitor banks and the inverter module do nothing just changing the power parameters to the needed value.

to be clear he also stated that L1 is the heart of his system; the reactor coil, when this coil work perfectly all what you need is to pick up the electromagnetic flux and store it and change the DC to the desired AC ... very simple...

if we setup correctly the power producer coil L1 and we manage some optimization arrangement regarding the propriety of scalar waves produced plus lowering the effect of Lenz's law over unity can be produced pretty easy.

[med.3012]

hello everyone!


i see this thread is silent even i see some visitors here, any questions or contribution is welcome !