Miller Colson Magnetic Motor

[charly2]

I have been watching the video several times and looks like there is no mechanical cam and follower or another mechanical sync. It seems the servomotor is spinning the midle plate and magnets according its stroke position.
A full mechanical sync would be great.

[vidbid]

Thank You All

There have been some amazing comments posted to this thread. Thank you all. Where do we go from here? That is up to you. The ideas being featured in this thread has lead me back to magnetic neutralization.

Again, something for me to consider.

[BroMikey]

There have been some amazing comments
posted to this thread. Thank you all. Where do we go from here?
That is up to you. The ideas being featured in this thread has lead me
back to magnetic neutralization.

Again, something for me to consider.

Hello VIDBID
I hope all is well, thanks for all of your efforts finding these great
projects. I am doing some small work with magnets and magnet
motor/generator work so this new post really brightens my way.

I hope to see more of you in the future.

I know you can be quite a brain when it comes to showing how things
work like this motor, but not me not on this one so if you
get next to this one I'de really enjoy a piggy back on the perceptual.

Your gift of seeing so many operational principles is useful.

See ya round.

[lota]

Test

Hello
It is not to build so difficult this part. The servo is to control. If there's a COP 1 will show up. I'm going to build it. Some parts are finished.
Greeting
Lota

[lota]

Hello
Here the first image. The magnets are too weak.

[jim glinski]

similitude

Is this close to the principle ? The Two Magnets Push-Pull Experiment
Jim

[grumblenuts]

If you start and end in the same place in the same field then the net work is zero. The path is irrelevant.

Seems IC engines have always contained cycling magnets and pistons, yet "your argument is" they can't produce work. Better tell the wife. I think she's been depending on the car to get her to work tonight. Soccer player runs downfield, scores, returns. A cycle. Simples. No work done. Who knew? Goodness, I'm fairly old and used up now. If only someone could have enlightened me about the simplicity of all this convoluted stuff sooner!

Surely, keeping an open mind only leads to trouble.

[bistander]

Seems IC engines have always contained cycling magnets and pistons, yet "your argument is" they can't produce work. Better tell the wife. I think she's been depending on the car to get her to work tonight. Soccer player runs downfield, scores, returns. A cycle. Simples. No work done. Who knew? Goodness, I'm fairly old and used up now. If only someone could have enlightened me about the simplicity of all this convoluted stuff sooner!

Surely, keeping an open mind only leads to trouble.

It is the thermal cycle which produces work in the IC, not cycling of a mass or a magnet in a field.

So your soccer player runs 50 meters due west. Let's say that is 100 Nm of work in the positive direction. He then runs back 50 meters due east and is exactly where he started. He has done 100Nm of work in the negative direction. The sum or "net" work he has done for that cycle is zero.

It does not matter if he alters his path, say with north and south maneuvers to avoid opponents, if he returns to the same position in the field at the end of the cycle, the "net" work or the integration of the work over the cycle, is zero. The path is irrelevant. That is my point.

[grumblenuts]

Well it seems you neglected to specify this system be closed to all but the cycling inertial and magnetic forces you feel apply. However, in reality - beyond deliberately contentious, ridiculously simplistic theoretical discussion - no system is closed. Perhaps, as with any such prototype, trying to force this one to be is ill considered at best.

Peace and apologies for being an acerbic, opinionated newb here. I ams what I ams. Be glad we don't have to share a bed

[Lidmotor]

Kenneth Kozeka magnet motorU.S. patent of 2007

I followed Peter's advice and did some research on Kenneth Kozeka today. It seems he also did a patent on a similar motor way back in 2007. Here is the link to that patent info. Patent US20110198958 - Linear permanent magnet motor - Google Patents

I could not find any info on anyone actually getting his design to run. The people who looked at the design basics said that it seemed promising but the energy losses due to mechanical friction and heat were perhaps too great for the machine to work.

It is an interesting topic to study.

--Lidmotor

[bistander]

Kozeka

I followed Peter's advice and did some research on Kenneth Kozeka today. It seems he also did a patent on a similar motor way back in 2007. Here is the link to that patent info. Patent US20110198958 - Linear permanent magnet motor - Google Patents

I could not find any info on anyone actually getting his design to run. The people who looked at the design basics said that it seemed promising but the energy losses due to mechanical friction and heat were perhaps too great for the machine to work.

It is an interesting topic to study.

--Lidmotor

Hi Lidmotor,

I also did some looking and reading on Kozeka. I did not see that document to which you link. It appears to be a patent application not an issued patent. It's dated 2007 as is much of his work on this subject. I wondered why I couldn't find more recent work. Now I wonder why he apparently let the patent application expire. Perhaps it was disallowed by the USPTO.

As I alluded to in response to Peter, most of Kozeka's tests do not conclict with my statement. He measures different work (energy) when moving the magnet in different directions in the field. In fact, you can notice that his measured net energy sums to zero each time he displaces the magnet and returns to the starting point, supporting my contention. He shows diffenent incremental work done in different directions; something I have not denied. Kozeka doesn't show tests or measurements or calculations for the case of cyclic multidirectional movement. These would be difficult, but doable with computer assistance.

In his patent application I was amazed at the complexity of the apparatus shown in diagram.

Perhaps the reason he no longer pursues his invention (?) is because he came to realize the true physics of fields and energy; something I am trying to relate here.

Regards,

bi

[Lidmotor]

Kozeka story

Hi Lidmotor,

I also did some looking and reading on Kozeka. I did not see that document to which you link. It appears to be a patent application not an issued patent. It's dated 2007 as is much of his work on this subject. I wondered why I couldn't find more recent work. Now I wonder why he apparently let the patent application expire. Perhaps it was disallowed by the USPTO.

As I alluded to in response to Peter, most of Kozeka's tests do not conclict with my statement. He measures different work (energy) when moving the magnet in different directions in the field. In fact, you can notice that his measured net energy sums to zero each time he displaces the magnet and returns to the starting point, supporting my contention. He shows diffenent incremental work done in different directions; something I have not denied. Kozeka doesn't show tests or measurements or calculations for the case of cyclic multidirectional movement. These would be difficult, but doable with computer assistance.

In his patent application I was amazed at the complexity of the apparatus shown in diagram.

Perhaps the reason he no longer pursues his invention (?) is because he came to realize the true physics of fields and energy; something I am trying to relate here.

Regards,

bi

Bistander

This seems to be another story of an inventor who steps onto the stage for awhile and then simply disappears. How many times have we seen that? You are right about the patent not ever getting granted. He just applied for it.
Lets hope that this latest magnet motor design story is different or at least shown to not work. I hate it when these things come up and then everyone is left hanging not knowing if it really did work or was a failure.

Lidmotor

[bistander]

Hello
Here the first image. The magnets are too weak.

Hi lota,

Good to see someone build. Fast. And I like your shop. It doesn't appear you have any timing mechanism to relate rotation to reciprocation. You would benefit from a steel intermediate magnet carrier (I think). Are you going to try stronger magnets?

Even though I don't think it will work, I'd love to see you prove me wrong.

bi

[lota]

Hello
Yes, I'm going to use stronger magnets. The control is not done yet. I want to build these easier. But still not sure how. It must run syncron to the drive

Lota

[DaKrampus]

Well i might be wrong but if i remember correctly the guy from texas that made the gap motor, (cant remember his name) had a device that converted rotary to linear movement...
here it is..

(its an animated gif)
Imagine this attached to the center disk, giving it a quarter rotation every time it moves forward or backward. that would should be the timing. I just need to find someone to make me that rotary thing..

Luc